1 00:00:06,251 --> 00:00:07,110 So yeah, thank you very much. 2 00:00:07,110 --> 00:00:09,690 Hey everybody. So my name's Soren, and I've worked 3 00:00:09,690 --> 00:00:12,180 with a lot of different people, including Tony, Aaron 4 00:00:12,180 --> 00:00:14,310 and myself from the University of Vermont, 5 00:00:14,310 --> 00:00:15,690 Chris Woodall, Jennifer Pontius, 6 00:00:15,690 --> 00:00:17,490 I'd like to say thank you very much to all of them 7 00:00:17,490 --> 00:00:19,920 for supporting me in this kind of long effort. 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:20,790 Today I'm gonna talk to you about 9 00:00:20,790 --> 00:00:22,920 decadal changes in northeastern adaptability 10 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:25,890 and vulnerability to climate, insects, and disease. 11 00:00:25,890 --> 00:00:26,850 I'm gonna go through a lot today, 12 00:00:26,850 --> 00:00:28,290 and try to go through it pretty quickly. 13 00:00:28,290 --> 00:00:29,850 If you guys see any kind of patterns 14 00:00:29,850 --> 00:00:32,430 sort of culturally that I don't talk about, 15 00:00:32,430 --> 00:00:34,620 or want to talk shop about the methodology, 16 00:00:34,620 --> 00:00:37,743 love to meet with you after, but let's get to it. 17 00:00:38,580 --> 00:00:41,970 So I'm sure everyone's seen a lot of these slides 18 00:00:41,970 --> 00:00:44,610 already today, but the increased drought frequencies 19 00:00:44,610 --> 00:00:48,270 occurring in the northeast, increased drought 20 00:00:48,270 --> 00:00:51,000 kind of intensity, but also the recurrence. 21 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:53,250 We're also seeing increases in temperature 22 00:00:53,250 --> 00:00:54,510 and increases in rainfall. 23 00:00:54,510 --> 00:00:55,950 So these kind of culminate in a lot 24 00:00:55,950 --> 00:00:59,610 of kind of changes that we are going to be undergoing. 25 00:00:59,610 --> 00:01:02,220 There's also been fundamental changes in stand dynamics, 26 00:01:02,220 --> 00:01:04,679 such as increased relative densities, 27 00:01:04,679 --> 00:01:06,690 and also kind of exposure. 28 00:01:06,690 --> 00:01:07,830 If you can look up in the northeast, 29 00:01:07,830 --> 00:01:09,600 we can see a lot of pink and red up there, 30 00:01:09,600 --> 00:01:12,750 right hand figure exposure to insects and disease. 31 00:01:12,750 --> 00:01:14,280 And so this culminated in looking 32 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,880 at some driving questions for this research. 33 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:20,580 Have changes in forest structure and composition resulted 34 00:01:20,580 --> 00:01:24,750 in increased vulnerability to climate, insects and disease? 35 00:01:24,750 --> 00:01:28,470 Are these changes consistent both overstory and understory? 36 00:01:28,470 --> 00:01:30,210 And are there any specific regions 37 00:01:30,210 --> 00:01:32,640 in which the changes occur that are not occurring? 38 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,320 So are there any areas specifically 39 00:01:34,320 --> 00:01:36,330 where there's more adaptability, less adaptability, 40 00:01:36,330 --> 00:01:38,640 more vulnerability, less vulnerability? 41 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:41,910 So this is a sub-analysis 42 00:01:41,910 --> 00:01:44,580 of true meta-analysis looking at the entire region 43 00:01:44,580 --> 00:01:47,850 for all states bordering and east of the Mississippi. 44 00:01:47,850 --> 00:01:49,380 Of course, in this blue area 45 00:01:49,380 --> 00:01:50,370 where we're gonna be focusing on, 46 00:01:50,370 --> 00:01:55,170 the area has things like spruce fir, and hemlock-hardwoods, 47 00:01:55,170 --> 00:01:58,260 maple-beech-birch, oak-pines, pitch pines. 48 00:01:58,260 --> 00:02:00,660 And you can really see that there's a lot 49 00:02:00,660 --> 00:02:02,070 of variability in this region, 50 00:02:02,070 --> 00:02:05,040 which is one of the reasons why I love working up here. 51 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,730 So this is really based on three scoring systems. 52 00:02:08,730 --> 00:02:10,590 vulnerability to climate, 53 00:02:10,590 --> 00:02:13,890 vulnerability to insects and disease, and adaptability. 54 00:02:13,890 --> 00:02:15,570 So vulnerability to climate. 55 00:02:15,570 --> 00:02:18,750 And all of these scores take into consideration traits. 56 00:02:18,750 --> 00:02:21,390 So in kind of broader shifts towards ecology, 57 00:02:21,390 --> 00:02:23,520 we're looking at, instead of just species-level analysis, 58 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:25,342 we're linking trait-level analysis. 59 00:02:25,342 --> 00:02:28,980 And so these scores, in particular, take into consider 60 00:02:28,980 --> 00:02:33,180 all of these different traits that allow for certain species 61 00:02:33,180 --> 00:02:36,603 to either thrive, reproduce, and be productive in a region. 62 00:02:37,530 --> 00:02:39,720 So MODFACs being the fundamental drivers 63 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:44,070 of modification factors for the Iverson tree analysts. 64 00:02:44,070 --> 00:02:47,550 And then Potter's work doing a bunch of other 65 00:02:47,550 --> 00:02:49,770 kind of scales where they took into consideration 66 00:02:49,770 --> 00:02:52,950 climate vulnerability, insect vulnerability and to compare 67 00:02:52,950 --> 00:02:55,470 them to these traits, to predict whether or not 68 00:02:55,470 --> 00:02:56,990 scaling all of tree species 69 00:02:56,990 --> 00:03:01,980 in the relative exposure rank to these threats. 70 00:03:01,980 --> 00:03:03,540 It goes through a lot of different processes 71 00:03:03,540 --> 00:03:05,790 for the full scalarization, but you end up with 72 00:03:05,790 --> 00:03:08,310 a species rank at the end where more species 73 00:03:08,310 --> 00:03:10,290 with some scales are more vulnerable than others. 74 00:03:10,290 --> 00:03:13,320 So you're thinking red maple, highly adaptable, 75 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:14,610 not very vulnerable, 76 00:03:14,610 --> 00:03:17,460 you're thinking highly vulnerable species, like chestnut. 77 00:03:18,930 --> 00:03:21,480 individual species scores is what really comes out. 78 00:03:22,890 --> 00:03:25,800 So these species scores end up 79 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,780 kind of looking through these distributions 80 00:03:27,780 --> 00:03:29,400 and to kind of give it a understanding 81 00:03:29,400 --> 00:03:31,140 of where these scores for certain species 82 00:03:31,140 --> 00:03:33,450 in the northeast land, you have red maple, 83 00:03:33,450 --> 00:03:35,880 yellow birch, white ash, and eastern hemlock. 84 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:38,580 The adaptability MODFACs score for the Iverson models 85 00:03:38,580 --> 00:03:40,680 do kind of trend to be pretty harsh 86 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,510 on the northeastern species, 87 00:03:42,510 --> 00:03:46,140 but we also took into consideration the other scores' 88 00:03:46,140 --> 00:03:48,630 capture framework, which looks specifically 89 00:03:48,630 --> 00:03:50,100 into the insects and disease. 90 00:03:50,100 --> 00:03:51,870 And you can see most species are not that 91 00:03:51,870 --> 00:03:55,650 actually vulnerable, but you do have those outliers 92 00:03:55,650 --> 00:03:58,230 that pick up northeastern species quite well 93 00:03:58,230 --> 00:04:03,230 as far as vulnerability. Capture framework also for climate 94 00:04:03,690 --> 00:04:05,760 which takes into consideration pretty much 95 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,613 all species that you would find in the United States. 96 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:11,430 And as you can see, each score 97 00:04:11,430 --> 00:04:15,003 fundamentally deals with species differently. 98 00:04:15,893 --> 00:04:18,750 But the amalgamation of all scores will hopefully result 99 00:04:18,750 --> 00:04:20,670 in a kind of holistic approach 100 00:04:20,670 --> 00:04:22,410 to look at general vulnerability 101 00:04:22,410 --> 00:04:24,720 and adaptability for the region. 102 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,460 So the basic structure of this analysis 103 00:04:26,460 --> 00:04:28,800 went through FIA data, 104 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,860 where we selected and filtered a plot comparison. 105 00:04:31,860 --> 00:04:34,680 So it's a true one time period, next time period 106 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,330 we also maximize time. 107 00:04:36,330 --> 00:04:38,100 So they were hoping to pick up on that change. 108 00:04:38,100 --> 00:04:40,920 As you know, force change turned slowly, 109 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:42,180 so we're trying to maximize time 110 00:04:42,180 --> 00:04:45,150 to pick up any changes that actually occur. 111 00:04:45,150 --> 00:04:47,730 You get out the data and you apply the scoring frameworks 112 00:04:47,730 --> 00:04:49,590 to each individual species to get out some type 113 00:04:49,590 --> 00:04:52,710 of vulnerability, and you break it into two time series. 114 00:04:52,710 --> 00:04:55,620 So time one being 1998 to 2012, 115 00:04:55,620 --> 00:04:58,920 2013 to 2021 for the two time periods. 116 00:04:58,920 --> 00:04:59,850 This kind of gets around some 117 00:04:59,850 --> 00:05:02,400 of the temporal inconsistencies fundamental in FIA. 118 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,790 This methodology has been employed before, 119 00:05:05,790 --> 00:05:07,650 and works quite well. 120 00:05:07,650 --> 00:05:11,220 In the end, there's 25,000 plots for the northeast, 121 00:05:11,220 --> 00:05:13,410 with a meantime difference of 15 years, 122 00:05:13,410 --> 00:05:15,120 and a relatively low error score. 123 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:16,500 The error score's coming from 124 00:05:16,500 --> 00:05:18,740 how well do those scores actually apply to all 125 00:05:18,740 --> 00:05:21,390 of the species that you find actually in the northeast? 126 00:05:21,390 --> 00:05:22,530 So it's very low. 127 00:05:22,530 --> 00:05:25,743 We had a very good actually application of all the scores. 128 00:05:27,690 --> 00:05:31,320 So did things actually change? 129 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,400 Yes, significance did pass value tests. 130 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:36,870 So we we're able to figure out 131 00:05:36,870 --> 00:05:39,390 that the overall distributions are shifting. 132 00:05:39,390 --> 00:05:41,100 So let's look at some things. 133 00:05:41,100 --> 00:05:45,497 Blue indicates on this side is where you're losing species 134 00:05:46,590 --> 00:05:49,793 that are not as vulnerable and are more adaptable, right? 135 00:05:49,793 --> 00:05:51,333 Red, in this case, 136 00:05:53,670 --> 00:05:56,460 is where you get a lot of vulnerability shifts. 137 00:05:56,460 --> 00:05:59,340 So those species that either underlying species 138 00:05:59,340 --> 00:06:03,060 within plots are shifting to more vulnerable species. 139 00:06:03,060 --> 00:06:05,340 I also incorporated for kind of ease of looking 140 00:06:05,340 --> 00:06:10,140 at these distributions, quantile or percentile lines. 141 00:06:10,140 --> 00:06:12,330 And we can see that the extremes are really 142 00:06:12,330 --> 00:06:13,920 where you're seeing differences. 143 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,880 So the changes are the most vulnerable, or at least 144 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:19,530 in this case it's the least vulnerable plots 145 00:06:19,530 --> 00:06:22,080 seem to be shifting the most, and also the most 146 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,930 vulnerable lots seem to be shifting the most. 147 00:06:24,930 --> 00:06:27,540 Not a really good start for that, but in general, 148 00:06:27,540 --> 00:06:29,910 we can say that the distributions, there has been a change 149 00:06:29,910 --> 00:06:32,223 from less vulnerability to more vulnerability. 150 00:06:34,320 --> 00:06:35,820 So let's look at some map space 151 00:06:35,820 --> 00:06:37,680 on each of these kind of distributions. 152 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,800 So this is vulnerability to climate, to capture score, 153 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,390 and we're gonna focus in kind of on 154 00:06:42,390 --> 00:06:44,490 you can see this general spatial region, 155 00:06:44,490 --> 00:06:47,223 where you have high vulnerability to climate. 156 00:06:49,230 --> 00:06:50,460 The northeast Adirondacks here 157 00:06:50,460 --> 00:06:52,470 do have low vulnerability climate. 158 00:06:52,470 --> 00:06:54,150 This is also for tree species. 159 00:06:54,150 --> 00:06:56,650 This is not for seedlings, trees is the overstory. 160 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:01,140 Moving on to the vulnerability of insects and disease. 161 00:07:01,140 --> 00:07:02,520 We can kind of see how there's this 162 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,440 kind of red values that I see in Eastern Maine 163 00:07:06,939 --> 00:07:08,289 and the Acadian transition. 164 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:13,380 And then northeastern Maine again kind of pops out 165 00:07:13,380 --> 00:07:14,680 as a very vulnerable area, 166 00:07:16,590 --> 00:07:18,600 and as well as the central coast area seems to be 167 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:20,463 kind of more adaptable. 168 00:07:23,430 --> 00:07:26,400 So now that was, those previous maps were to really look 169 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,200 at like where things are already, 170 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,300 this is the change that is occurring. 171 00:07:30,300 --> 00:07:32,340 So this is time one compared to time two. 172 00:07:32,340 --> 00:07:34,050 So what is actually on the landscape, 173 00:07:34,050 --> 00:07:35,880 based on species and size classes? 174 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:37,590 How are things shifting? 175 00:07:37,590 --> 00:07:40,710 So I'd like to draw your attention 176 00:07:40,710 --> 00:07:43,350 to the Northeastern street hardwoods areas 177 00:07:43,350 --> 00:07:45,900 for both overstory and understory. 178 00:07:45,900 --> 00:07:48,510 Understory was considered significant in its change, 179 00:07:48,510 --> 00:07:50,460 P value in the bottom left hand corner, 180 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:53,110 as well as the distribution change. 181 00:07:55,890 --> 00:07:57,230 The one thing is that there does seem, 182 00:07:57,230 --> 00:08:00,150 it is quite sporadic in the Hudson River Valley areas, 183 00:08:00,150 --> 00:08:03,630 where they saw a large increase in less vulnerable species, 184 00:08:03,630 --> 00:08:05,970 as well as increases in more vulnerable species. 185 00:08:05,970 --> 00:08:08,973 So there seems to be some kind of complexity going on there. 186 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:14,100 The largest changes in understory seems to be down there. 187 00:08:14,100 --> 00:08:16,050 So I would always also like to preface here 188 00:08:16,050 --> 00:08:17,310 that this is designed, 189 00:08:17,310 --> 00:08:19,800 the methodology is designed for a large-scale analysis. 190 00:08:19,800 --> 00:08:21,960 I chose to kind of narrow in on the Northeast 191 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,910 just because of kind of the designations of (indistinct) 192 00:08:23,910 --> 00:08:27,873 and seeding this kind of occurs, so this demonstration. 193 00:08:28,740 --> 00:08:31,503 So changes in vulnerability to climate. 194 00:08:32,610 --> 00:08:34,800 Acadian transition, again kind of popping up 195 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,773 as areas of increased vulnerability. 196 00:08:39,750 --> 00:08:43,680 Northern Adirondacks and seedlings seem to be 197 00:08:43,680 --> 00:08:45,570 another place where the seedlings or understory 198 00:08:45,570 --> 00:08:48,320 seems to be coming actually less vulnerable to climate. 199 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,680 Likely due to sporadic increases in understory diversity, 200 00:08:52,680 --> 00:08:54,900 there's a lot of fundamental civics 201 00:08:54,900 --> 00:08:56,820 that are driving these patterns, and it's not, 202 00:08:56,820 --> 00:08:59,170 this analysis is not really part of that level. 203 00:09:01,110 --> 00:09:02,580 So increase in vulnerability 204 00:09:02,580 --> 00:09:05,400 to insects and disease is quite interesting. 205 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:06,690 Where we found that the, again, 206 00:09:06,690 --> 00:09:08,130 the central Acadian transition 207 00:09:08,130 --> 00:09:09,360 seems to becoming more vulnerable, 208 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,470 whether or not that's being driven by an increase in hemlock 209 00:09:13,470 --> 00:09:16,800 and other kind of beech, other species that are vulnerable 210 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:20,163 to insects and disease wasn't really fully ascertained. 211 00:09:21,420 --> 00:09:23,970 Again for the, just for the understory, 212 00:09:23,970 --> 00:09:26,583 we're able to see that that pattern was held true. 213 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,120 And again, the Northwestern Adirondack seemed to come out 214 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,970 as a place that the seedlings were becoming less vulnerable 215 00:09:32,970 --> 00:09:34,120 to insects and disease. 216 00:09:36,030 --> 00:09:38,670 Large-scale average changes in the overstory, really, 217 00:09:38,670 --> 00:09:40,170 was what this was able to pick up, 218 00:09:40,170 --> 00:09:41,370 which was quite nice to see. 219 00:09:41,370 --> 00:09:44,073 Again, the P value, upper left hand corner. 220 00:09:46,350 --> 00:09:48,240 So that all kind of was fed 221 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,360 into a cluster analysis higher cluster 222 00:09:51,360 --> 00:09:52,590 with like spatial constraints. 223 00:09:52,590 --> 00:09:54,240 Don't wanna have to talk shop, 224 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,290 but it came out with six regions of similar change, 225 00:09:58,290 --> 00:10:02,460 and that found that there were the eastern Adirondacks, 226 00:10:02,460 --> 00:10:03,990 the Adirondacks Catskills, 227 00:10:03,990 --> 00:10:07,000 the Green mountains and Whites, and then 228 00:10:08,481 --> 00:10:10,320 the southern like Acadian transition where we saw 229 00:10:10,320 --> 00:10:11,820 a lot of those changes occurring. 230 00:10:11,820 --> 00:10:15,123 And then this kind of Northern Adirondacks region here. 231 00:10:16,260 --> 00:10:18,510 And I'm gonna focus in on these two, as these two were 232 00:10:18,510 --> 00:10:21,933 the ones that had like the biggest changes occurring. 233 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,700 So these are broad biological patterns that seem close 234 00:10:26,700 --> 00:10:27,660 to what we might expect, 235 00:10:27,660 --> 00:10:29,673 based on the species that occur there. 236 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,500 And it'd require minimal spatial constraints 237 00:10:34,500 --> 00:10:35,571 to actually get to these. 238 00:10:35,571 --> 00:10:38,521 So the fundamental, what patterns seem to be held and true. 239 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:42,750 So it went from, the worst off in the region seemed to be 240 00:10:42,750 --> 00:10:45,450 that kind of central Acadian transition, with significance 241 00:10:45,450 --> 00:10:49,200 both in overstory and understory between all scores, 242 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,800 and the change for the regions that seemed 243 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,490 to have like the best output seemed to be the understory 244 00:10:56,490 --> 00:10:59,430 specifically within the north and Adirondacks, again, 245 00:10:59,430 --> 00:11:02,553 significance for all variables in overstory and understory. 246 00:11:04,170 --> 00:11:06,600 So what species might be driving this? 247 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,783 I decided to look at the Adirondacks. 248 00:11:11,026 --> 00:11:15,000 This is a cumulative frequency distribution plot, 249 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:18,603 but basically just means that the species that end up 250 00:11:18,603 --> 00:11:21,360 the x axis right here is importance value. 251 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:23,490 As it changes, it means it's relatively the most 252 00:11:23,490 --> 00:11:24,870 important species within the region. 253 00:11:24,870 --> 00:11:26,940 So if you see any kind of movement here, 254 00:11:26,940 --> 00:11:29,880 it's gonna be more proportionally influential 255 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:31,724 on the score change. 256 00:11:31,724 --> 00:11:33,330 And as you can see, some dominant species 257 00:11:33,330 --> 00:11:35,160 are holding an increasing dominance. 258 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:39,990 So we're looking at balsam, fir, and red maple, again, 259 00:11:39,990 --> 00:11:43,500 red maple being highly resilient and very adaptable. 260 00:11:43,500 --> 00:11:45,810 Probably any change there can kind of mute those other 261 00:11:45,810 --> 00:11:47,332 scores so that it actually... 262 00:11:47,332 --> 00:11:48,900 -(audience member coughing) -...More adaptable, 263 00:11:48,900 --> 00:11:51,060 and balsam fir being somewhat susceptible 264 00:11:51,060 --> 00:11:54,060 to climate and insect disease. 265 00:11:54,060 --> 00:11:56,160 That large shift can be maybe driving 266 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:57,390 some of these patterns. 267 00:11:57,390 --> 00:11:58,980 There's also changes in species occurring 268 00:11:58,980 --> 00:12:01,140 in centers of the distribution. 269 00:12:01,140 --> 00:12:04,620 So changes between Tsuga canadensis, eastern hemlock, 270 00:12:04,620 --> 00:12:07,020 and yellow birch. 271 00:12:07,020 --> 00:12:08,220 And there's also changes occurring 272 00:12:08,220 --> 00:12:09,150 throughout the distribution. 273 00:12:09,150 --> 00:12:11,100 So some shade-tolerant species are increasing 274 00:12:11,100 --> 00:12:13,950 such as moose maple, striped maple. 275 00:12:13,950 --> 00:12:16,650 So it's quite interesting to see what species 276 00:12:16,650 --> 00:12:19,923 might be driving these changes. 277 00:12:22,380 --> 00:12:25,350 So in conclusion, from the slides 278 00:12:25,350 --> 00:12:27,008 that I kind of just threw at you, 279 00:12:27,008 --> 00:12:28,170 (audience laughing) 280 00:12:28,170 --> 00:12:29,490 there have been changes in the understory 281 00:12:29,490 --> 00:12:32,130 and overstory based on adaptability and the vulnerability 282 00:12:32,130 --> 00:12:33,450 to climate, insects, and disease. 283 00:12:33,450 --> 00:12:36,183 It has occurred in the last 10 years. 284 00:12:37,495 --> 00:12:39,045 And let me go through, I thought that... 285 00:12:39,045 --> 00:12:41,043 (audience laughing) 286 00:12:41,043 --> 00:12:42,005 Yeah, yeah. 287 00:12:42,005 --> 00:12:44,670 The spatial patterns, however, differ under each score. 288 00:12:44,670 --> 00:12:46,980 So if you're interested in insects and disease, 289 00:12:46,980 --> 00:12:50,370 you might be beneficial to only use one score, 290 00:12:50,370 --> 00:12:52,170 or if you're interested in climate and you will find 291 00:12:52,170 --> 00:12:55,530 that the Iverson models kind of fit what you see 292 00:12:55,530 --> 00:12:56,363 on the ground, 293 00:12:56,363 --> 00:12:58,850 that might be the scoring system you might want to use. 294 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,730 The greatest observable change, as you might assume, 295 00:13:02,730 --> 00:13:04,620 and it's not in the overstory, it's in the understory, 296 00:13:04,620 --> 00:13:06,330 it's the regeneration that seems to be driving 297 00:13:06,330 --> 00:13:08,220 a lot of these patterns. 298 00:13:08,220 --> 00:13:11,190 And then considering all of the variables and the kind 299 00:13:11,190 --> 00:13:13,860 of meta-analysis, the Southern Acadia transition 300 00:13:13,860 --> 00:13:16,500 and the Acadian boreal transition were the most vulnerable, 301 00:13:16,500 --> 00:13:18,810 or saw the most change of overstory and understory 302 00:13:18,810 --> 00:13:20,430 towards more vulnerable species. 303 00:13:20,430 --> 00:13:23,523 More dominance, meaning like larger amounts of basal area. 304 00:13:25,560 --> 00:13:27,660 And species driving, these trends appear to be driven 305 00:13:27,660 --> 00:13:29,490 by certain species becoming more dominant, 306 00:13:29,490 --> 00:13:32,010 like I just said, as well as kind of less 307 00:13:32,010 --> 00:13:35,193 vulnerable species replacing other more vulnerable ones. 308 00:13:38,940 --> 00:13:39,773 Questions? 309 00:13:41,242 --> 00:13:44,409 (audience applauding) 310 00:13:50,010 --> 00:13:51,330 [Audience #1] Sorry if I missed this. 311 00:13:51,330 --> 00:13:56,330 On the scoring aspect, especially for insects and pests, 312 00:13:56,730 --> 00:13:59,580 is that based on whether there's a known insect 313 00:13:59,580 --> 00:14:01,890 or pest pathogen that infects, 314 00:14:01,890 --> 00:14:04,050 and then how do we take that information 315 00:14:04,050 --> 00:14:08,490 for future introductions of future pests and pathogens? 316 00:14:08,490 --> 00:14:11,730 Or is just that scoring system can't adapt to that? 317 00:14:11,730 --> 00:14:15,000 [Soren] So that scoring system in particular 318 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,600 takes into consideration exposure to known pests 319 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,750 and pathogens, and does not take into consideration 320 00:14:21,750 --> 00:14:22,980 unknown pests and pathogens, 321 00:14:22,980 --> 00:14:25,020 but it does take into consideration the traits 322 00:14:25,020 --> 00:14:26,820 that would allow them to be adaptable. 323 00:14:26,820 --> 00:14:28,890 So in some indirect way, 324 00:14:28,890 --> 00:14:32,460 that scoring system does account for it, but not directly. 325 00:14:32,460 --> 00:14:34,290 [Audience #1] Yeah, I guess so is American chestnut 326 00:14:34,290 --> 00:14:36,480 on the right side because it has 327 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:37,920 a really well-known custom pathogen, 328 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:41,370 or because it also exhibits some set traits? 329 00:14:41,370 --> 00:14:43,170 [Soren] Primarily, the score is gonna be based 330 00:14:43,170 --> 00:14:45,000 on known custom pathogens. 331 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:45,833 Yes. 332 00:14:47,700 --> 00:14:48,533 Good question. 333 00:14:52,050 --> 00:14:53,790 And if you saw any kind of spatial patterns 334 00:14:53,790 --> 00:14:55,020 that I didn't pick up as species, 335 00:14:55,020 --> 00:14:56,120 -please, -(audience laughing) 336 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:57,840 I love talking about this stuff. So... 337 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,240 [Audience #2] I have a really basic, basic question. 338 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,482 [Soren] Yeah? 339 00:15:01,482 --> 00:15:02,550 [Audience #2] So I might have missed it. 340 00:15:02,550 --> 00:15:05,130 What was the timeframe of the study? 341 00:15:05,130 --> 00:15:06,450 Like what were the earliest inventories 342 00:15:06,450 --> 00:15:07,530 that you used, and the latest? 343 00:15:07,530 --> 00:15:10,950 [Soren] So 1998 was the earliest, the latest was 2021. 344 00:15:10,950 --> 00:15:14,580 -Okay... -So FIA is spatially fixed, 345 00:15:14,580 --> 00:15:16,468 but temporally varied. 346 00:15:16,468 --> 00:15:18,900 So we had, you have to come up 347 00:15:18,900 --> 00:15:21,390 with like two time samples to really kind of consider 348 00:15:21,390 --> 00:15:23,310 all of that spatial variability, 349 00:15:23,310 --> 00:15:26,250 which has been used before in other studies. 350 00:15:26,250 --> 00:15:28,470 [Audience #2] So then I guess my really basic question, 351 00:15:28,470 --> 00:15:30,884 at the fear of sounding like an idiot, 352 00:15:30,884 --> 00:15:33,810 (Audience #2 and Soren laughing) 353 00:15:33,810 --> 00:15:36,240 is that enough time for us to have seen any change 354 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,660 that has already been driven by these stress agents? 355 00:15:39,660 --> 00:15:43,500 So, you know, I would expect that if the assumption is 356 00:15:43,500 --> 00:15:45,900 that they're already undergoing climate stress, 357 00:15:45,900 --> 00:15:48,360 and they're already undergoing insect and pathogen stress, 358 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,810 wouldn't you expect the more adaptable species 359 00:15:51,810 --> 00:15:55,680 to be taking over? And why don't we see that? 360 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,810 [Soren] I think that has to do with kind of interactions 361 00:15:57,810 --> 00:16:01,020 between time, if it's too short of a time window, 362 00:16:01,020 --> 00:16:03,240 you might be able to pick up on change but adaptation 363 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:07,140 I don't know if 15 year mean is really long enough to see 364 00:16:07,140 --> 00:16:08,357 the forest really shift that kind of- 365 00:16:08,357 --> 00:16:10,293 -Right. -future forest type. 366 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:12,990 [Audience #2] So is it mostly just successional patterns 367 00:16:12,990 --> 00:16:14,370 and language history that's still driving 368 00:16:14,370 --> 00:16:15,300 what you're seeing? 369 00:16:15,300 --> 00:16:16,133 [Soren] It could be. 370 00:16:16,133 --> 00:16:17,550 So this study who doesn't really drive 371 00:16:17,550 --> 00:16:19,860 towards that kind of correlation or causation, 372 00:16:19,860 --> 00:16:21,300 this is really kind of more just, like, 373 00:16:21,300 --> 00:16:22,950 this is where the areas that are 374 00:16:22,950 --> 00:16:24,810 seem to be having more vulnerable species 375 00:16:24,810 --> 00:16:26,040 and less vulnerable people species. 376 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:28,440 Yeah, what's actually driving this is far more complex, 377 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,450 as any kind of land use manager probably knows, 378 00:16:30,450 --> 00:16:33,300 like, there's a lot of really moving parts 379 00:16:33,300 --> 00:16:34,920 that are driving these patterns. 380 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:38,940 But yeah, this does not answer that question. 381 00:16:38,940 --> 00:16:39,773 [Audience #2] Okay. 382 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:48,720 -How well are we doing? -(audience laughing) 383 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,783 Awesome. And Andy, these are my works and works cited. 384 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,060 Yeah. Do you have any other questions? 385 00:16:56,573 --> 00:16:59,740 (audience applauding)