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Hello, everybody.

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My name is Jordon Tourville.

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I'm a post-doctoral research fellow

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with the Appalachian Mountain Club,

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and I see a lot of familiar
faces in here, so that's great.

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I'm a forest, plant, and
now mycorrhizal ecologist.

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So quite a lot of things

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and my primary focus
of research these days

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is on technology and generally
how alpine ecosystems

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are influenced by climate change

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and how it affects community identity.

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Chris.

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[Chris] I'm Chris Nadeau.

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I'm a climate adaptation scientist

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with Schoodic Institute
at Acadia National Park.

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So Schoodic Institute is a
nonprofit science partner

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to the National Park Service,

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especially Acadia National Park.

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One of the things we're
focused on, among many,

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many things is restoration
on mountain summits.

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And so we're actively
restoring trampled areas

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that have been degraded
from years and years.

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Trampling like many mountain
summits in the Northeast,

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so we're actively restoring soil

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and vegetation to those summits.

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And then of course,

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we're interested in
climate adaptation too,

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given how vulnerable
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might lead to climate change.

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So we're doing some experiments

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to try to test different
climate adaptation strategies.

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Yeah.

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And we're really excited to
be here in this group today

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and learn, you know,

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we're (indistinct) even call us mountains.

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(laughs)

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Definitely alpine, maybe high elevation.

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But yeah, I'm interested
to hear, you know,

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what's going on in further
west from where we are at.

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Right on.

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And so to further drill down
into the point of all this.

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So as you know,

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Northeastern alpine
ecosystems are quite uncommon,

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quite rare.

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Some people don't even
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but we're gonna go with that term today.

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And obviously they've faced many threats,

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but what we've been talking about all day,

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I don't wanna spoil too much

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'cause we're gonna get into
that question a little bit.

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But a couple of things to
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atmospheric deposition,
issues with soil health,

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trampling, invasive species.

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So a whole gamut of place.

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And so as practitioners and people

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who care about these
high elevation systems,

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it (indistinct) to us to come up,

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with perhaps some novel ways
to deal with these issues.

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And I know there's a lot
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the Northeast Stewardship Group

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that meets every couple of years

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that brings practitioners together

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to talk about these issues.

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And the conversation between
Chris and I, we think that,

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you know, it would be
good to host a series

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of these kinds of workshops,

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and it's what we're giving today,

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to talk about what are
some current threats

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that everyone in this room is
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how we can better collaborate

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and communicate across
these disparate sites

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and between our various organizations

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and how would this manifest into a system

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or a series of tools that
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and work from in a standardized fashion.

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So that's really what we're
trying to get at today

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is what would a management
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to alpine ecosystems
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Where do we go from there?

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That is the main goal or main
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And this is by no means a one-off thing.

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We definitely want to follow
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in the future and see what we can do

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to better foster those collaborations.

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So I think, unless you
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The only thing I would add real quickly

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is we know we split the
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at least somewhere across the hall,

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there's another like snow
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which is a lot of alpine
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We're also involved in that
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Northeastern snow study project.

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And so I'll maybe put
a couple of these out.

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There's some QR codes here for
some surveys for some data.

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And so if you're split and
you kind of didn't know

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whether you wanted to be here or there,

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you can still kind of participate.

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So maybe I'll just kind of, people,

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we don't have a ton of doing left

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if we wanna just pass some
kind of, if you want it,

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if you don't want it, push it along.

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(indistinct)

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And Georgie here sitting
up front would be happy

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to take questions about
that at a later time.

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[Chris] Yeah.

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Yeah. (laughs)

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Yeah, of course.

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So what we're going to try to do today

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are go through three facilitated series

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of questions/breakout groups.

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We have a series of online
polls, you can fill out.

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Hopefully, you all looked at the first one

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that gives us sort of
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who you are, where you work,

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what organizations you work with.

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We're gonna take a look
at that in a second.

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But first, we're gonna get into questions

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related to what are some current issues

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that people care about in this sphere

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and what is being currently
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with climate adaptation strategies.

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We're gonna discuss that
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into some stressors that
might become more prevalent

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in the future and what the
concerns are around that,

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and what the thoughts are
geared towards eliminating,

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limiting those issues.

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And then lastly, we're going
to talk about what forms

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or potential forms a management toolbox

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or a series of standardized
methods would look like,

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and would be most useful
for all of us here.

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And then I'll do a quick wrap
up, pass that if we have time.

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So what we would like you to
do first, if you don't mind,

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would be to scan this code
and take our little poll.

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If you've already scanned it,

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you're probably on there waiting for me

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to unlock the questions,
which I'll do right now.

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[Jordon] Yes.

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So Chris will unlock that.

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If you haven't gone
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of questions yet, please do so.

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Those pretty much just ask
where you work primarily,

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some demographic questions
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And then it goes into this first question

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of what stressors are currently impacting

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high-elevation ecosystems
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Hopefully, that works now.

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While you're doing that,
I'll just kind of present

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kind of what you've
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just so we kind of know who's
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So we've got good split
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Vermont, New Hampshire, which is great.

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I bet we're all facing slightly
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and how we're gonna deal with them.

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Awesome, we've got folks from all sorts

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of management agencies and academics.

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So this is great.

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I mean, I think as you saw from the agenda

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that Jordon put up, you know,

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we're done presenting kind
of after right now. (laughs)

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And this is gonna be a
discussion between us, right?

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We're here to learn from you

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and I hope you all learn
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So yeah, it's great.

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We have this diversity of folks.

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Yeah, awesome.

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And we've got practitioners
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and both is great, other folks too.

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But we can give you a couple minutes

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to answer those questions.

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Oh, we already got snow coming up.

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People care about invasive species.

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I hope you appreciate

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this cool little word
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(audience laughing)

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Amazing.

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Do this.

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And don't worry about
(indistinct), we won't judge.

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Nope.

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Gets vomiting (indistinct).

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And if you don't have a phone,

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you can look over someone else's shoulder

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and tell them what to put in.

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Yeah, we're gonna-

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[Audience Member] Can you
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Yeah.

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[Audience Member] Start over?

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Something happened.

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Uh-oh.

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[Audience Member] Yeah, mine too.

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Technological issues.

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Should've seen the (indistinct).

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[Audience Member] The
QR code is right there.

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Yeah, (indistinct).

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Everybody got the QR code (indistinct).

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Climate change just
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That's reality right there.

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(audience laughing)

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(indistinct)

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Or boosted them.

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One of the two.

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(audience laughing)

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And obviously, there are some interactions

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between all of these that
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doesn't happen with the capture.

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So keep that in mind.

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Yeah, sure.

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So people can keep typing
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but I think the hope is to, you know,

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this is the word cloud for
like what's currently impacting

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unsurprisingly invasive
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but many other things.

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So we can talk about
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And then the second question is,

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how are we managing these things?

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We can talk about that for a few minutes

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and so we can open it up or you know,

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if everybody's quiet then Jordon

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and I are gonna pick on you guys.

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So, whatever you want. (laughs)

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Does anybody have something they want

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that they put down that they like,

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need to wanna talk more about?

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[Audience Member] I think put this down,

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but I'm curious to hear
whoever put publicity

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down to elaborate on that.

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I put that down and was just thinking

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about how it seems like so
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because people are seeing
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and then also wanting to go there,

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just like great increasing
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[Chris] Exactly, I get you.

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Can somebody talk a little bit

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about the invasive species issues?

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That's not nothing, but
would've come to my mind.

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[Chris] Yeah.

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We don't have a lot of.

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What's going on with that?

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(audience laughing)

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[Audience Member] Well,
we have (indistinct),

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actually maybe one of
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or non-native species of any
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Around the hunts, around the
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less so along the cog,

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probably because it's
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but it's also less
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And it seems to be in
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But there's higher
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less as you go up in elevation.

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But higher richness around
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And some of them are,

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They do seem to be spreading.

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There are at least 15 to
20 locations of dandelions

262
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in natural alpine areas,

263
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including Great Gulf and
the edge of Alpine Garden.

264
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And so it's more than we knew

265
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because I don't think
anyone was really looking.

266
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But yeah, for a long time.

267
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What are some of the downstream effects

268
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that stem from that?

269
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Or do you see issues

270
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with native plant communities
dealing with this?

271
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Are there feedbacks with soils?

272
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[Audience Member] Feedback to.

273
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Are there any feedbacks with
soils changing conditions?

274
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Like what's so bad about
these days up there?

275
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Besides that they're there.

276
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[Audience Member] Yeah, well,
they seem to get, quote,

277
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start in disturbed areas,
that's where they start.

278
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But they don't seem to be limited to them.

279
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They are becoming established
in naturally disturbed areas

280
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like ravine settings,

281
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but not entirely restricted
to disturbed soils

282
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in ravine settings that
can speak to that with gulf

283
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and natural snowbank settings.

284
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We have the proliferation of
dandelions and certain areas.

285
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They also seem to be spreading downstream

286
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from the huts down into Brooks
below the huts as an example.

287
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So I think there's a lot
more to be learned about it.

288
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This is just kind of a
baseline documentation

289
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of where we're seeing
what we're seeing where.

290
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Got you.

291
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I'm sorry, go ahead.

292
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[Audience Member] Well, just real quickly

293
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that this is not a vacuum,

294
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this is happening in alpine
areas around the world.

295
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[Participant] It's
still less (indistinct).

296
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[Audience Member] Antarctic areas.

297
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[Participant] It's greens,
but certainly it is.

298
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I would add to what Dan's saying,

299
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is we all know invasives often grow,

300
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undergo an exponential growth,

301
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and they're kind of minimal now,

302
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at least in Mansfield and
very minimal on (indistinct),

303
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now's the time to do something about it.

304
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Not 10 years from now
when we go back and say,

305
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"Oh gee, we kind of dropped
the ball on that, didn't we?

306
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We should have done something."

307
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[Audience Member] Are you
seeing the same impacts

308
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on like the Adirondack High Peaks, or God,

309
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where there isn't really infrastructure?

310
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[Participant] I don't think anyone knows

311
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or probably a lot more
limited than at this point

312
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than what we have going on here.

313
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But anecdotally, there're
many fewer in the Atlantics

314
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on the top.

315
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Yeah.

316
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[Audience Member] Well, back there,

317
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general of way back (indistinct) so small.

318
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[Participant] Yeah.

319
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But back sizes has a chicken and pond.

320
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Yeah, (indistinct).

321
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Yeah.

322
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And Mansfield at least, the just cursory,

323
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look at that last summer

324
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and there we found 10 or 12 species up.

325
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[Audience Member] Yeah.

326
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(indistinct)

327
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[Participant] It's mostly near the road

328
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and Summit Station.

329
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[Audience Member] Yeah.

330
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[Participant] Just spreading out.

331
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[Audience Member] I'm curious for folks

332
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that book climate change

333
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and I mean we have snow cover up here,

334
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but climate change is very broad.

335
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Does somebody wanna elaborate?

336
00:14:27,794 --> 00:14:29,588
Like what about climate change?

337
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Precipitation, temperature,
something else.

338
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Snow cover's up there,
but it's something else.

339
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[Participant] Short
growing season probably,

340
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(indistinct)

341
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or lower more potential.

342
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I don't know.

343
00:14:45,380 --> 00:14:46,213
[Audience Member] Yeah.

344
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Unpredictable springs is up
there and that is, you know,

345
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one of the things is that
climate change is more variable.

346
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So it is year to year.

347
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The variability is more,

348
00:14:58,953 --> 00:15:03,094
so I think that whether it's
warmer spring cold or spring,

349
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warmer spring, you know, I
think that may be a factor.

350
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[Audience Member] Yeah,
that, I'd put that up there.

351
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I also put up climate variabilities.

352
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(audience laughing)

353
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Just to kind of boost the world.

354
00:15:16,016 --> 00:15:17,033
(audience laughing)

355
00:15:17,033 --> 00:15:18,279
Variability, definitely.

356
00:15:18,279 --> 00:15:19,587
[Audience Member] Yeah, you know,

357
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to what extent the natural cues

358
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that plants have used involved too,

359
00:15:23,654 --> 00:15:26,537
or many generations are
becoming less predictable

360
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to track now.

361
00:15:27,887 --> 00:15:28,762
[Participant] Yeah, yeah.

362
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[Audience Member] I
would add the potential

363
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for torrential main storms, the summer,

364
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and results scouring, erosion,

365
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especially on those thin alpine soils.

366
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[Participant] Yeah.

367
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[Audience Member] July
11th example, you know,

368
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I don't know that Mansfield or
the White Mountains got hit,

369
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but they could have (indistinct).

370
00:15:47,330 --> 00:15:48,846
I think we'll have more
time to talk about this,

371
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'cause I think a lot of this,

372
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we're gonna talk about
future threats in one second

373
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in about two minutes.

374
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And so if you have other thoughts,

375
00:15:54,745 --> 00:15:56,610
you're gonna get into small
groups and talk about this.

376
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So I think you can talk
about it more not to,

377
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it's a lively conversation.

378
00:16:00,364 --> 00:16:01,750
You can cut it off.

379
00:16:01,750 --> 00:16:04,154
But this is kind of what we
said, that's what's happening.

380
00:16:04,154 --> 00:16:08,054
This is kind of what we're doing about it.

381
00:16:08,054 --> 00:16:11,336
Education seems to be
prominent in the middle.

382
00:16:11,336 --> 00:16:12,936
So what do you mean by,

383
00:16:12,936 --> 00:16:17,107
like education about what
should we be teaching?

384
00:16:17,107 --> 00:16:18,903
[Audience Member] Like the
summer steward programs,

385
00:16:18,903 --> 00:16:20,914
trying to keep people from trampling.

386
00:16:20,914 --> 00:16:22,331
Yeah.

387
00:16:22,331 --> 00:16:23,430
So roping off.

388
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[Audience Member] Roping
off, directing people.

389
00:16:26,894 --> 00:16:29,648
And dogs on leashes. (laughs)

390
00:16:29,648 --> 00:16:31,065
That's a big one.

391
00:16:34,328 --> 00:16:38,444
I would think just education
about the basic significance

392
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of these rare, highly
restricted sensitive habitats

393
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and species that you know,

394
00:16:44,644 --> 00:16:46,323
'cause especially places
like Mount Washington

395
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where people just drive up the toll road

396
00:16:48,498 --> 00:16:51,591
and they've got no clue,
and oh, it's grass.

397
00:16:51,591 --> 00:16:52,676
No, actually it's Bigelow sets

398
00:16:52,676 --> 00:16:54,769
and you're trampling all over it.

399
00:16:54,769 --> 00:16:56,410
(indistinct)

400
00:16:56,410 --> 00:16:57,243
Yeah.

401
00:16:57,243 --> 00:16:58,076
What sort of formats

402
00:16:58,076 --> 00:17:01,928
does that education come in
that people practice here?

403
00:17:01,928 --> 00:17:05,469
I think the summer stewards program

404
00:17:05,469 --> 00:17:07,947
that are across many of our organizations,

405
00:17:07,947 --> 00:17:10,455
I think it's really, really important,

406
00:17:10,455 --> 00:17:14,460
the people that are there when
people are stepping on them,

407
00:17:14,460 --> 00:17:16,476
and say, "Hey, by the way.

408
00:17:16,476 --> 00:17:18,535
You know, this is a
really important plant."

409
00:17:18,535 --> 00:17:23,368
So, having people in the field
in summit stewards program.

410
00:17:25,162 --> 00:17:25,995
Got you.

411
00:17:29,311 --> 00:17:31,292
[Audience Member] There
are some good examples

412
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of that in the White Mountains,

413
00:17:32,125 --> 00:17:33,375
but I think we have a lot less

414
00:17:33,375 --> 00:17:35,200
of that going on in the White Mountains.

415
00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,617
(indistinct)

416
00:17:38,491 --> 00:17:39,824
Summit stewards.

417
00:17:43,602 --> 00:17:44,435
Anybody else wanna comment

418
00:17:44,435 --> 00:17:46,497
on what they put up on this cloud?

419
00:17:46,497 --> 00:17:47,577
It's much more variable.

420
00:17:47,577 --> 00:17:51,342
There's not a lot of big options up there.

421
00:17:51,342 --> 00:17:52,292
[Audience Member] Can I just ask

422
00:17:52,292 --> 00:17:54,959
who put assisted migration down?

423
00:17:57,372 --> 00:17:58,605
And it wasn't where we were doing.

424
00:17:58,605 --> 00:18:01,594
(audience laughing)

425
00:18:01,594 --> 00:18:03,527
[Participant] There is migration going on,

426
00:18:03,527 --> 00:18:05,852
until we're been seeing now.

427
00:18:05,852 --> 00:18:08,330
(indistinct)

428
00:18:08,330 --> 00:18:09,287
Gotcha.

429
00:18:09,287 --> 00:18:11,153
And at least from my point of view,

430
00:18:11,153 --> 00:18:12,551
(indistinct)

431
00:18:12,551 --> 00:18:13,384
let's stop.

432
00:18:13,384 --> 00:18:14,300
(indistinct)

433
00:18:14,300 --> 00:18:15,133
We want.

434
00:18:16,648 --> 00:18:18,239
(indistinct)

435
00:18:18,239 --> 00:18:19,747
[Audience Member] And to go with that,

436
00:18:19,747 --> 00:18:22,354
I would say, I don't know if
this is a management action,

437
00:18:22,354 --> 00:18:24,804
but I think we need a lot
more info on the genetics

438
00:18:24,804 --> 00:18:29,471
to understand some of the
nuance of those issues, right?

439
00:18:33,174 --> 00:18:36,235
Yeah, any other quick comments on this?

440
00:18:36,235 --> 00:18:41,235
We were gonna transition to
our second breakout/poll,

441
00:18:42,013 --> 00:18:44,293
but definitely a couple
minutes if you wanna,

442
00:18:44,293 --> 00:18:49,293
if anyone had any pressing
thing they wanted to say here.

443
00:18:49,549 --> 00:18:50,382
Yes.

444
00:18:50,382 --> 00:18:51,215
[Audience Member] A question about one

445
00:18:51,215 --> 00:18:52,048
of the climate impacts.

446
00:18:52,048 --> 00:18:55,626
Somebody said increasing tree lock,

447
00:18:55,626 --> 00:18:57,056
but I know that for so
long I've been hearing

448
00:18:57,056 --> 00:19:00,291
that the alpine zone are very
obviously expected to shrink

449
00:19:00,291 --> 00:19:01,644
with the change in climate.

450
00:19:01,644 --> 00:19:02,716
And I'm wondering if that's something

451
00:19:02,716 --> 00:19:04,030
we have any monitoring data on,

452
00:19:04,030 --> 00:19:08,463
if we know the actual acreage
of like alpine specific plants

453
00:19:08,463 --> 00:19:10,088
is specifically shrinking in response

454
00:19:10,088 --> 00:19:11,866
to an encroaching tree line.

455
00:19:11,866 --> 00:19:12,699
Yes.

456
00:19:12,699 --> 00:19:13,532
[Audience Member] I just
don't know the answer to that.

457
00:19:13,532 --> 00:19:15,096
We do, we do.

458
00:19:15,096 --> 00:19:18,248
I just published a paper about that.

459
00:19:18,248 --> 00:19:19,106
[Audience Member] I guess
I asked the right person.

460
00:19:19,106 --> 00:19:21,756
(audience laughing)

461
00:19:21,756 --> 00:19:22,589
Right.

462
00:19:22,589 --> 00:19:25,471
Yeah, I won't get too much
into it just for sake of time.

463
00:19:25,471 --> 00:19:30,174
I'll just say that yes,
that work has been done.

464
00:19:30,174 --> 00:19:32,515
The exact numbers are a little fuzzy

465
00:19:32,515 --> 00:19:34,682
just because of using the old imagery

466
00:19:34,682 --> 00:19:37,973
to actually compare old treeline locations

467
00:19:37,973 --> 00:19:39,535
to contemporary ones.

468
00:19:39,535 --> 00:19:42,984
I will say there is evidence
of crumble (indistinct),

469
00:19:42,984 --> 00:19:44,477
and some encroachment.

470
00:19:44,477 --> 00:19:48,120
Although, you know, based on
your definition of treeline,

471
00:19:48,120 --> 00:19:51,525
that could be significant or not so much.

472
00:19:51,525 --> 00:19:53,583
So we could talk about that more.

473
00:19:53,583 --> 00:19:55,924
But yes, there has been
work that's done that,

474
00:19:55,924 --> 00:19:57,674
in this region, yeah.

475
00:19:58,984 --> 00:20:00,359
[Audience Member] Yeah, I
was just thinking, looking,

476
00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,282
I see that little climate
policy links, you know,

477
00:20:04,282 --> 00:20:06,024
I think it behooves you
as you move forward,

478
00:20:06,024 --> 00:20:09,678
just make sure that things
are bifurcated into things

479
00:20:09,678 --> 00:20:11,474
that are under the control
of the local managers,

480
00:20:11,474 --> 00:20:13,490
which almost everything
there is focused on.

481
00:20:13,490 --> 00:20:14,323
Yeah.

482
00:20:14,323 --> 00:20:15,981
[Audience Member] And then
there's the big global question

483
00:20:15,981 --> 00:20:18,902
of climate change, which is-

484
00:20:18,902 --> 00:20:20,393
Right, that's a great point.

485
00:20:20,393 --> 00:20:21,226
Yeah.

486
00:20:21,226 --> 00:20:24,643
Yeah, we work in this context of exterior

487
00:20:25,540 --> 00:20:27,440
and sometimes internal
forces that are acting

488
00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,523
to exacerbate these issues, but yeah.

489
00:20:31,873 --> 00:20:33,447
[Audience Member] I just
had a general observation

490
00:20:33,447 --> 00:20:36,419
that that list of strategies
which I don't know

491
00:20:36,419 --> 00:20:37,460
how significant this is,

492
00:20:37,460 --> 00:20:40,918
but I just was thinking that
it probably wouldn't look

493
00:20:40,918 --> 00:20:43,002
that different if you asked
that question 20 years ago

494
00:20:43,002 --> 00:20:45,549
or maybe even 30 or 48 years ago.

495
00:20:45,549 --> 00:20:49,054
And I don't know, just
sort of observing that,

496
00:20:49,054 --> 00:20:52,526
but the strategies have
been consistent over time.

497
00:20:52,526 --> 00:20:56,863
It seems like there's
not a lot many new ideas,

498
00:20:56,863 --> 00:20:59,189
other than like genetics research.

499
00:20:59,189 --> 00:21:01,603
Not saying that's good
or bad, just observing.

500
00:21:01,603 --> 00:21:04,171
Yeah, no, I get your point.

501
00:21:04,171 --> 00:21:06,258
Yeah, I think that's part of the reason

502
00:21:06,258 --> 00:21:08,969
why we wanted to bring people together

503
00:21:08,969 --> 00:21:11,410
'cause I think it might be time to start

504
00:21:11,410 --> 00:21:16,210
to insert some of these fresh
ideas into the conversation,

505
00:21:16,210 --> 00:21:17,719
maybe things we haven't considered yet

506
00:21:17,719 --> 00:21:21,527
or maybe were perhaps too
extreme in the past to consider.

507
00:21:21,527 --> 00:21:25,110
But yeah, it's a well
taken point for sure.

508
00:21:27,893 --> 00:21:32,483
How much can we even
actively do in these areas?

509
00:21:32,483 --> 00:21:34,816
[Chris] We have one person online,

510
00:21:35,651 --> 00:21:37,088
or we don't have anybody online.

511
00:21:37,088 --> 00:21:38,421
We have several.

512
00:21:39,571 --> 00:21:40,654
I believe one.

513
00:21:40,654 --> 00:21:43,392
Okay, if they want, write
something in the chat

514
00:21:43,392 --> 00:21:44,746
or whoever they're contributing,

515
00:21:44,746 --> 00:21:46,680
like feel free to do so
and we can read it out.

516
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:47,513
Yeah.

517
00:21:47,513 --> 00:21:48,346
[Chris] Okay.

518
00:21:48,346 --> 00:21:49,179
We'll transition to blank.

519
00:21:49,179 --> 00:21:50,012
Yeah.

520
00:21:50,012 --> 00:21:50,845
[Chris] And we can
transition to the next part.

521
00:21:50,845 --> 00:21:53,158
And it's really a continuation
of this conversation,

522
00:21:53,158 --> 00:21:55,882
so if you wanna, we'll let people think.

523
00:21:55,882 --> 00:21:58,348
I'll pass them in a second, I know.

524
00:21:58,348 --> 00:21:59,497
So I think what we're gonna do now

525
00:21:59,497 --> 00:22:02,789
is do kind of a breakout group

526
00:22:02,789 --> 00:22:07,144
and so we'll break out into
what, maybe four or three?

527
00:22:07,144 --> 00:22:07,977
There's not that many.

528
00:22:07,977 --> 00:22:08,810
Maybe four.

529
00:22:08,810 --> 00:22:10,912
Okay, we got into four groups.

530
00:22:10,912 --> 00:22:13,162
But first, we're gonna
ask you to think kind

531
00:22:13,162 --> 00:22:16,667
of independently on this
question, ignore the typo.

532
00:22:16,667 --> 00:22:18,121
I tried to fix it while
you weren't looking at.

533
00:22:18,121 --> 00:22:18,989
(audience laughing)

534
00:22:18,989 --> 00:22:21,014
So it is what it is, it's my fault.

535
00:22:21,014 --> 00:22:24,695
So yeah, I'll take the
responsibility for that.

536
00:22:24,695 --> 00:22:26,731
So yeah, we're gonna do
this thing eventually.

537
00:22:26,731 --> 00:22:29,521
It's essentially called
Think, Group, Share, right?

538
00:22:29,521 --> 00:22:31,895
So think on your own for a
second about these questions.

539
00:22:31,895 --> 00:22:35,263
And so, what do you expect, you know,

540
00:22:35,263 --> 00:22:37,035
kind of like we just talked
about but in the future,

541
00:22:37,035 --> 00:22:39,957
what do you expect to be
the stressors in the future?

542
00:22:39,957 --> 00:22:42,145
How might we manage those stressors?

543
00:22:42,145 --> 00:22:43,299
And then, you know,

544
00:22:43,299 --> 00:22:45,623
what is limiting our ability
to do that management?

545
00:22:45,623 --> 00:22:47,828
In other words like
what research can we do

546
00:22:47,828 --> 00:22:50,733
to help managers be able to do that?

547
00:22:50,733 --> 00:22:53,241
And we'll, when you get into groups,

548
00:22:53,241 --> 00:22:55,016
we'll pass out these
worksheets that you can use

549
00:22:55,016 --> 00:22:56,645
that just have those three categories,

550
00:22:56,645 --> 00:22:59,672
stressor management and
management limitation,

551
00:22:59,672 --> 00:23:01,972
so we'll let you think for
a couple minutes on your own

552
00:23:01,972 --> 00:23:03,903
so you don't get too much group think

553
00:23:03,903 --> 00:23:06,515
and then we'll break out into small groups

554
00:23:06,515 --> 00:23:09,022
and have you fill these
out, is that right?

555
00:23:09,022 --> 00:23:10,567
[Jordon] Yeah, and when
we get to those groups,

556
00:23:10,567 --> 00:23:13,310
if you could assign someone
to just fill out the sheet

557
00:23:13,310 --> 00:23:15,438
and then assign someone
to report back out,

558
00:23:15,438 --> 00:23:19,177
to the rest of the group
when we meet back up.

559
00:23:19,177 --> 00:23:20,405
Okay, cool, yeah.

560
00:23:20,405 --> 00:23:22,974
So we'll just give you a minute to,

561
00:23:22,974 --> 00:23:24,462
and you can talk lightly
amongst yourselves

562
00:23:24,462 --> 00:23:25,361
so it's not super.

563
00:23:25,361 --> 00:23:27,669
(audience laughing)

564
00:23:27,669 --> 00:23:32,086
But mostly, you know, have
your own thoughts on this.

565
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566
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567
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568
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569
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570
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571
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572
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573
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574
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575
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576
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577
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578
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579
00:24:44,173 --> 00:24:48,873
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580
00:24:48,873 --> 00:24:53,614
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581
00:24:53,614 --> 00:24:58,281
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582
00:24:58,281 --> 00:25:03,139
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583
00:25:03,139 --> 00:25:07,947
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584
00:25:07,947 --> 00:25:12,078
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585
00:25:12,078 --> 00:25:14,344
Okay, if you guys wanna
like just be into the groups

586
00:25:14,344 --> 00:25:17,253
of you're on, just try to split evenly.

587
00:25:17,253 --> 00:25:18,311
Maybe not, you know,

588
00:25:18,311 --> 00:25:19,711
if you're friends here and
you always talk to them

589
00:25:19,711 --> 00:25:21,530
about this, go in a different group

590
00:25:21,530 --> 00:25:23,563
'cause the whole point is to
like learn from each other.

591
00:25:23,563 --> 00:25:26,654
So yeah, split up and
go to the four corners

592
00:25:26,654 --> 00:25:28,395
of the room maybe.

593
00:25:28,395 --> 00:25:31,809
And you can take chairs
with you, whatever you want.

594
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595
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596
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597
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598
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599
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600
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601
00:26:04,194 --> 00:26:08,890
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602
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603
00:26:13,749 --> 00:26:18,411
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604
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605
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606
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607
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608
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609
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610
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611
00:26:50,750 --> 00:26:55,209
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612
00:26:55,209 --> 00:26:59,609
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613
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614
00:27:04,306 --> 00:27:09,047
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615
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616
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617
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618
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619
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620
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621
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622
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623
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624
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625
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626
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627
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628
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629
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630
00:28:20,849 --> 00:28:25,615
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631
00:28:25,615 --> 00:28:29,865
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632
00:28:30,758 --> 00:28:35,553
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633
00:28:35,553 --> 00:28:40,169
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634
00:28:40,169 --> 00:28:45,127
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635
00:28:45,127 --> 00:28:49,838
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636
00:28:49,838 --> 00:28:54,421
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637
00:28:54,421 --> 00:28:58,937
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638
00:28:58,937 --> 00:29:03,603
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639
00:29:03,603 --> 00:29:08,269
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640
00:29:08,269 --> 00:29:12,927
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641
00:29:12,927 --> 00:29:17,485
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642
00:29:17,485 --> 00:29:22,285
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643
00:29:22,285 --> 00:29:27,196
(audience chattering indistinctly)

644
00:29:27,196 --> 00:29:32,112
(audience chattering indistinctly)

645
00:29:32,112 --> 00:29:36,936
(audience chattering indistinctly)

646
00:29:36,936 --> 00:29:41,770
(audience chattering indistinctly)

647
00:29:41,770 --> 00:29:46,486
(audience chattering indistinctly)

648
00:29:46,486 --> 00:29:51,062
(audience chattering indistinctly)

649
00:29:51,062 --> 00:29:56,062
(audience chattering indistinctly)

650
00:29:56,103 --> 00:30:01,036
(audience chattering indistinctly)

651
00:30:01,036 --> 00:30:05,777
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652
00:30:05,777 --> 00:30:10,703
(audience chattering indistinctly)

653
00:30:10,703 --> 00:30:15,219
(audience chattering indistinctly)

654
00:30:15,219 --> 00:30:20,219
(audience chattering indistinctly)

655
00:30:20,228 --> 00:30:25,194
(audience chattering indistinctly)

656
00:30:25,194 --> 00:30:29,444
(audience chattering indistinctly)

657
00:30:30,769 --> 00:30:35,019
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658
00:30:35,886 --> 00:30:40,136
(audience chattering indistinctly)

659
00:30:41,752 --> 00:30:42,585
[Audience Member] But you know,

660
00:30:42,585 --> 00:30:45,141
I've been going up there for 30 months.

661
00:30:45,141 --> 00:30:49,909
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662
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:54,307
(audience chattering indistinctly)

663
00:30:54,307 --> 00:30:55,774
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664
00:30:55,774 --> 00:30:58,764
[Participant] Craft an education.

665
00:30:58,764 --> 00:31:03,685
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666
00:31:03,685 --> 00:31:08,423
(audience chattering indistinctly)

667
00:31:08,423 --> 00:31:13,003
(audience chattering indistinctly)

668
00:31:13,003 --> 00:31:17,543
(audience chattering indistinctly)

669
00:31:17,543 --> 00:31:22,258
(audience chattering indistinctly)

670
00:31:22,258 --> 00:31:27,042
(audience chattering indistinctly)

671
00:31:27,042 --> 00:31:31,643
(audience chattering indistinctly)

672
00:31:31,643 --> 00:31:36,363
(audience chattering indistinctly)

673
00:31:36,363 --> 00:31:41,363
(audience chattering indistinctly)

674
00:31:41,379 --> 00:31:45,924
(audience chattering indistinctly)

675
00:31:45,924 --> 00:31:50,903
(audience chattering indistinctly)

676
00:31:50,903 --> 00:31:55,664
(audience chattering indistinctly)

677
00:31:55,664 --> 00:32:00,308
(audience chattering indistinctly)

678
00:32:00,308 --> 00:32:05,239
(audience chattering indistinctly)

679
00:32:05,239 --> 00:32:09,909
(audience chattering indistinctly)

680
00:32:09,909 --> 00:32:14,159
(audience chattering indistinctly)

681
00:32:15,268 --> 00:32:20,105
(audience chattering indistinctly)

682
00:32:20,105 --> 00:32:24,805
(audience chattering indistinctly)

683
00:32:24,805 --> 00:32:29,055
(audience chattering indistinctly)

684
00:32:30,169 --> 00:32:34,867
(audience chattering indistinctly)

685
00:32:34,867 --> 00:32:39,117
(audience chattering indistinctly)

686
00:32:40,342 --> 00:32:44,592
(audience chattering indistinctly)

687
00:32:45,514 --> 00:32:49,287
[Audience Member] So the
management strategy for,

688
00:32:49,287 --> 00:32:52,789
we talked about like conceptual
fences for summertime.

689
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:57,735
(audience chattering indistinctly)

690
00:32:57,735 --> 00:33:02,367
(audience chattering indistinctly)

691
00:33:02,367 --> 00:33:07,101
(audience chattering indistinctly)

692
00:33:07,101 --> 00:33:11,351
(audience chattering indistinctly)

693
00:33:12,410 --> 00:33:16,660
(audience chattering indistinctly)

694
00:33:17,646 --> 00:33:20,017
(audience chattering indistinctly)

695
00:33:20,017 --> 00:33:23,716
[Audience Member] I just
point out the AMC has winter,

696
00:33:23,716 --> 00:33:27,327
they also legally we have to check on.

697
00:33:27,327 --> 00:33:29,992
(audience chattering indistinctly)

698
00:33:29,992 --> 00:33:31,563
[Participant] So it's not 20%,

699
00:33:31,563 --> 00:33:34,722
but there're people
that could be some sort

700
00:33:34,722 --> 00:33:36,292
of accommodation.

701
00:33:36,292 --> 00:33:41,014
(audience chattering indistinctly)

702
00:33:41,014 --> 00:33:45,609
(audience chattering indistinctly)

703
00:33:45,609 --> 00:33:48,090
(audience chattering indistinctly)

704
00:33:48,090 --> 00:33:53,090
[Audience Member] That was
funding to support the plan.

705
00:33:53,180 --> 00:33:57,785
(audience chattering indistinctly)

706
00:33:57,785 --> 00:34:02,586
(audience chattering indistinctly)

707
00:34:02,586 --> 00:34:06,836
(audience chattering indistinctly)

708
00:34:09,010 --> 00:34:10,031
[Participant] What would the signage say?

709
00:34:10,031 --> 00:34:12,141
Like stay on trail?

710
00:34:12,141 --> 00:34:16,934
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711
00:34:16,934 --> 00:34:21,818
(audience chattering indistinctly)

712
00:34:21,818 --> 00:34:26,818
(audience chattering indistinctly)

713
00:34:26,856 --> 00:34:31,189
(audience chattering indistinctly)

714
00:34:32,355 --> 00:34:36,605
(audience chattering indistinctly)

715
00:34:37,643 --> 00:34:42,640
(audience chattering indistinctly)

716
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,890
(audience chattering indistinctly)

717
00:34:49,304 --> 00:34:52,877
[Participant] And then you
have million other entities

718
00:34:52,877 --> 00:34:53,808
out there.

719
00:34:53,808 --> 00:34:58,254
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720
00:34:58,254 --> 00:35:03,072
(audience chattering indistinctly)

721
00:35:03,072 --> 00:35:07,913
(audience chattering indistinctly)

722
00:35:07,913 --> 00:35:12,163
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723
00:35:13,248 --> 00:35:18,248
(audience chattering indistinctly)

724
00:35:18,290 --> 00:35:23,290
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725
00:35:23,372 --> 00:35:27,982
(audience chattering indistinctly)

726
00:35:27,982 --> 00:35:32,563
(audience chattering indistinctly)

727
00:35:32,563 --> 00:35:35,688
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728
00:35:35,688 --> 00:35:38,757
[Audience Member] That works very well.

729
00:35:38,757 --> 00:35:42,565
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730
00:35:42,565 --> 00:35:46,538
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731
00:35:46,538 --> 00:35:47,683
[Audience Member] I think
the forest talks about this,

732
00:35:47,683 --> 00:35:48,888
right?

733
00:35:48,888 --> 00:35:53,450
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734
00:35:53,450 --> 00:35:58,384
(audience chattering indistinctly)

735
00:35:58,384 --> 00:36:03,228
(audience chattering indistinctly)

736
00:36:03,228 --> 00:36:08,207
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737
00:36:08,207 --> 00:36:13,142
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738
00:36:13,142 --> 00:36:17,945
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739
00:36:17,945 --> 00:36:22,632
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740
00:36:22,632 --> 00:36:27,328
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741
00:36:27,328 --> 00:36:32,228
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742
00:36:32,228 --> 00:36:37,011
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743
00:36:37,011 --> 00:36:41,963
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744
00:36:41,963 --> 00:36:46,943
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745
00:36:46,943 --> 00:36:51,193
(audience chattering indistinctly)

746
00:36:52,110 --> 00:36:56,687
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747
00:36:56,687 --> 00:36:59,562
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748
00:36:59,562 --> 00:37:03,718
[Participant] Or their
motivations are different.

749
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750
00:37:08,340 --> 00:37:13,254
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751
00:37:13,254 --> 00:37:18,055
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752
00:37:18,055 --> 00:37:22,823
(audience chattering indistinctly)

753
00:37:22,823 --> 00:37:27,073
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754
00:37:27,961 --> 00:37:32,721
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755
00:37:32,721 --> 00:37:37,218
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756
00:37:37,218 --> 00:37:41,468
(audience chattering indistinctly)

757
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758
00:37:47,559 --> 00:37:52,400
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759
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,039
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760
00:37:57,039 --> 00:38:01,779
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761
00:38:01,779 --> 00:38:06,029
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762
00:38:06,954 --> 00:38:11,954
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763
00:38:11,980 --> 00:38:16,230
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764
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765
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766
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767
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768
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769
00:38:41,642 --> 00:38:46,642
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770
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771
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772
00:38:56,539 --> 00:39:01,300
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773
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774
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775
00:39:11,162 --> 00:39:16,107
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776
00:39:16,107 --> 00:39:20,357
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777
00:39:21,192 --> 00:39:25,442
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778
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779
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780
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781
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782
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783
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784
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785
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786
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787
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788
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789
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790
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791
00:40:29,622 --> 00:40:33,872
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792
00:40:35,184 --> 00:40:36,704
Throw an idea.

793
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794
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795
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796
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797
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798
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799
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800
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801
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802
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803
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804
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805
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806
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807
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808
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809
00:41:53,467 --> 00:41:55,393
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810
00:41:55,393 --> 00:41:58,101
If you don't mind
bringing it all together.

811
00:41:58,101 --> 00:42:01,219
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812
00:42:01,219 --> 00:42:04,875
We're gonna (indistinct),
see what you found.

813
00:42:04,875 --> 00:42:09,705
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814
00:42:09,705 --> 00:42:11,551
Well, I mean you don't
have to move too far

815
00:42:11,551 --> 00:42:12,927
if you don't want to. (laughs)

816
00:42:12,927 --> 00:42:16,548
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817
00:42:16,548 --> 00:42:20,947
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818
00:42:20,947 --> 00:42:21,780
[Audience Member] Yeah.

819
00:42:21,780 --> 00:42:23,807
I'm gonna ask you guys to join in,

820
00:42:23,807 --> 00:42:25,086
because I don't (indistinct).

821
00:42:25,086 --> 00:42:25,919
All right.

822
00:42:25,919 --> 00:42:30,086
So people who are volunteering
to report back out,

823
00:42:31,011 --> 00:42:33,946
how we think this would go
well is each group wants

824
00:42:33,946 --> 00:42:37,477
to read one row on their
sheet that they put down,

825
00:42:37,477 --> 00:42:39,783
and try to avoid replicating ideas,

826
00:42:39,783 --> 00:42:44,503
just so we have a more diverse
set of thoughts on this.

827
00:42:44,503 --> 00:42:45,986
Would anyone go first?

828
00:42:45,986 --> 00:42:47,767
(indistinct)

829
00:42:47,767 --> 00:42:49,521
Okay, we have a volunteer.

830
00:42:49,521 --> 00:42:53,906
I was gonna volunteer Georgia. (laughs)

831
00:42:53,906 --> 00:42:55,125
[Audience Member] Heavier rain events.

832
00:42:55,125 --> 00:42:55,958
Okay.

833
00:42:55,958 --> 00:42:58,155
[Audience Member] Which
is a future stressor.

834
00:42:58,155 --> 00:43:00,845
Management strategy for that
to be restoration of soil

835
00:43:00,845 --> 00:43:04,071
and vegetation communities on summits.

836
00:43:04,071 --> 00:43:05,486
Obviously, we need to show the soil

837
00:43:05,486 --> 00:43:08,632
and keep it in place for native plants.

838
00:43:08,632 --> 00:43:11,482
It's gonna help prevent erosion.

839
00:43:11,482 --> 00:43:13,259
However, there are manual limitations,

840
00:43:13,259 --> 00:43:17,085
but of course how to
correctly restore soil

841
00:43:17,085 --> 00:43:18,402
in these vegetation communities.

842
00:43:18,402 --> 00:43:20,496
It's not something that's easily done.

843
00:43:20,496 --> 00:43:24,224
We probably don't know really
how best to do this yet,

844
00:43:24,224 --> 00:43:26,891
as well as it could be
expensive every time.

845
00:43:26,891 --> 00:43:31,462
Sounds like you have a
personal experience from names

846
00:43:31,462 --> 00:43:34,274
that you could share on this
topic (laughs) if you want.

847
00:43:34,274 --> 00:43:35,107
[Audience Member] Right now?

848
00:43:35,107 --> 00:43:36,015
Yeah, go for it.

849
00:43:36,015 --> 00:43:36,848
[Audience Member] Sure.

850
00:43:36,848 --> 00:43:40,554
So this is largely
actually from, you know,

851
00:43:40,554 --> 00:43:43,660
a lot of this that I spoke
about from the first sort

852
00:43:43,660 --> 00:43:48,660
of phase that we've done on
Cadillac (indistinct) park,

853
00:43:49,157 --> 00:43:51,184
where we sort of tried a different bunch

854
00:43:51,184 --> 00:43:54,716
of different experimental
restoration plots,

855
00:43:54,716 --> 00:43:55,924
looking at a bunch of different methods

856
00:43:55,924 --> 00:44:00,590
and trying to figure out how
best we can restore vegetation

857
00:44:00,590 --> 00:44:03,081
to these degraded summits.

858
00:44:03,081 --> 00:44:08,081
And the long story short is
it seems like adding soil

859
00:44:08,139 --> 00:44:10,117
and not too much soil, just a little bit,

860
00:44:10,117 --> 00:44:11,679
and being able to keep it in place

861
00:44:11,679 --> 00:44:14,540
is probably the best method that we can

862
00:44:14,540 --> 00:44:16,592
out of these ones that we tested,

863
00:44:16,592 --> 00:44:20,622
the best way that we can go
forward with that quick sum.

864
00:44:20,622 --> 00:44:22,907
And just add to that, we're
continuing that research now.

865
00:44:22,907 --> 00:44:25,210
So we did that research
on Cadillac Mountain,

866
00:44:25,210 --> 00:44:26,718
which you can drive a chart at the top of,

867
00:44:26,718 --> 00:44:28,750
and we dump truck full of soil for sure.

868
00:44:28,750 --> 00:44:31,837
We're continuing that research
now on more remote summits.

869
00:44:31,837 --> 00:44:35,528
So this year we moved 3,750
pounds of soil to the summits

870
00:44:35,528 --> 00:44:37,383
of Sargent and Penobscot mountains

871
00:44:37,383 --> 00:44:40,080
using 200 volunteer people with backpacks.

872
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,808
And so it's doable, (laughs) but yeah.

873
00:44:42,808 --> 00:44:44,925
And we're testing more
methods for restoring mosses

874
00:44:44,925 --> 00:44:46,849
and lichens and other methods too.

875
00:44:46,849 --> 00:44:48,114
So I don't wanna dominate,

876
00:44:48,114 --> 00:44:51,688
but that's what a sterilized soil.

877
00:44:51,688 --> 00:44:53,739
So we can talk about it.

878
00:44:53,739 --> 00:44:54,572
Done.

879
00:44:57,678 --> 00:44:59,328
(indistinct)

880
00:44:59,328 --> 00:45:00,161
[Audience Member] Alright,

881
00:45:00,161 --> 00:45:03,744
so trail impacts from
increased recreation.

882
00:45:07,071 --> 00:45:09,322
Management strategies
could be better messaging

883
00:45:09,322 --> 00:45:13,155
and enforcement,
infrastructure, trail design,

884
00:45:15,189 --> 00:45:17,719
if I forget something, they'll help me.

885
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,309
Botany soils trails integration.

886
00:45:20,309 --> 00:45:24,559
Oh, that was a specific
example from Crawford Notch

887
00:45:25,626 --> 00:45:29,543
where Dan mentioned that
all of the great mines

888
00:45:31,282 --> 00:45:33,493
came together, the botanists, the soils,

889
00:45:33,493 --> 00:45:36,742
the trail people, and made
an integrated decision

890
00:45:36,742 --> 00:45:41,075
about how to modify that
trail to basically make it,

891
00:45:42,801 --> 00:45:45,141
you know, so that they
wouldn't be coming back

892
00:45:45,141 --> 00:45:46,828
to it in five years,

893
00:45:46,828 --> 00:45:48,517
that it would be more
of a hundred year thing.

894
00:45:48,517 --> 00:45:51,714
But that means that
some of those, you know,

895
00:45:51,714 --> 00:45:56,228
pieces had to give a
little, botany versus soil.

896
00:45:56,228 --> 00:45:58,842
So, versus the trail size.

897
00:45:58,842 --> 00:46:01,075
So, but it was a good example

898
00:46:01,075 --> 00:46:05,018
of that you need all those
people to come together

899
00:46:05,018 --> 00:46:06,682
and work together.

900
00:46:06,682 --> 00:46:07,784
One of the things that we talked

901
00:46:07,784 --> 00:46:10,905
about management
limitations was an example

902
00:46:10,905 --> 00:46:13,919
around back country skiing.

903
00:46:13,919 --> 00:46:16,572
It, you know, can cause
damage to alpine zones

904
00:46:16,572 --> 00:46:18,391
because they're trampling plants to get

905
00:46:18,391 --> 00:46:21,760
to that last little
patch of snow to ski on,

906
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,760
and how do we really, you
know, manage for that.

907
00:46:27,856 --> 00:46:29,341
So I don't, I'm not sure,

908
00:46:29,341 --> 00:46:31,363
it just seemed like
that was one of the ones

909
00:46:31,363 --> 00:46:33,306
that we kind of stumbled on as something

910
00:46:33,306 --> 00:46:38,223
that was more challenging and
it would be harder to manage.

911
00:46:39,140 --> 00:46:41,064
The major limitation under this stressor

912
00:46:41,064 --> 00:46:44,276
is sort the ability of the managing entity

913
00:46:44,276 --> 00:46:47,267
to control the level of use of an area.

914
00:46:47,267 --> 00:46:49,677
And that's, as we mentioned,
all the other publicity sources

915
00:46:49,677 --> 00:46:53,538
that are driving users to these sites.

916
00:46:53,538 --> 00:46:54,371
[Audience Member] Yeah.

917
00:46:54,371 --> 00:46:57,447
So we did have limited
capacity with permits

918
00:46:57,447 --> 00:47:01,530
was another strategy that
has been shown to help.

919
00:47:03,469 --> 00:47:05,547
But, you know, not
everybody likes that answer.

920
00:47:05,547 --> 00:47:07,110
(audience laughing)

921
00:47:07,110 --> 00:47:07,943
Yeah.

922
00:47:11,864 --> 00:47:12,697
Another group.

923
00:47:12,697 --> 00:47:13,530
[Audience Member] Can we go next?

924
00:47:13,530 --> 00:47:14,755
Sure.

925
00:47:14,755 --> 00:47:16,571
[Audience Member] We'll pick
right up from that, I think.

926
00:47:16,571 --> 00:47:19,498
We talked a lot about
wintertime recreation

927
00:47:19,498 --> 00:47:21,200
and think it's definitely

928
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:24,075
there's so much more interest in it.

929
00:47:24,075 --> 00:47:25,738
And I'm a backcountry skier.

930
00:47:25,738 --> 00:47:30,738
I love getting out in the
winter and so I think it is,

931
00:47:30,991 --> 00:47:33,761
you know, there's the strategies I think,

932
00:47:33,761 --> 00:47:38,270
and it's not just skiing,
but also mountaineering,

933
00:47:38,270 --> 00:47:40,522
and crampons I think
could be really damaging.

934
00:47:40,522 --> 00:47:45,439
And the snow packs aren't always
that deep, even midwinter.

935
00:47:46,563 --> 00:47:49,295
So we talked about a couple
of different strategies.

936
00:47:49,295 --> 00:47:52,506
We're not sure they all
have their limitations,

937
00:47:52,506 --> 00:47:55,935
so they sort of dovetail
between columns two and three,

938
00:47:55,935 --> 00:47:56,768
I guess.

939
00:47:56,768 --> 00:47:58,966
But one is, you know, can you,

940
00:47:58,966 --> 00:48:01,777
you don't see the trail
typically in the winter

941
00:48:01,777 --> 00:48:02,610
above treeline.

942
00:48:02,610 --> 00:48:05,838
So like the old string
or conceptual fences

943
00:48:05,838 --> 00:48:06,818
aren't as effective.

944
00:48:06,818 --> 00:48:08,924
So is there a way that
we could design signage

945
00:48:08,924 --> 00:48:11,424
that might bring attention to,

946
00:48:13,474 --> 00:48:16,270
if it's an area that, you know,

947
00:48:16,270 --> 00:48:19,937
you can travel through
in a sustainable way,

948
00:48:20,847 --> 00:48:23,626
and if so, you know, is there,

949
00:48:23,626 --> 00:48:25,718
or should there be areas to direct traffic

950
00:48:25,718 --> 00:48:29,439
in a certain location or
otherwise raise awareness?

951
00:48:29,439 --> 00:48:31,427
We also talked about
the kind of crazy idea

952
00:48:31,427 --> 00:48:34,037
while there's summertime Summit Steward,

953
00:48:34,037 --> 00:48:36,981
it's good there be some
winter time Summit Steward.

954
00:48:36,981 --> 00:48:39,294
And we're like, well, some
people might actually kind

955
00:48:39,294 --> 00:48:42,301
of dig that at least on weekends.

956
00:48:42,301 --> 00:48:43,370
Yeah.

957
00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:46,087
[Audience Member] On a
volunteer of hot chocolate.

958
00:48:46,087 --> 00:48:47,857
Right. (laughs)

959
00:48:47,857 --> 00:48:49,440
Thermos of hot tea.

960
00:48:51,404 --> 00:48:56,404
Challenges or limitations or
how do you reach your audience

961
00:48:56,709 --> 00:48:58,713
and recognizing that as
probably a different audience

962
00:48:58,713 --> 00:49:03,687
in the summertime audience in
terms of recreation impact,

963
00:49:03,687 --> 00:49:06,270
which you know, has challenges,

964
00:49:07,874 --> 00:49:12,207
but also there may be also
going to be receptive to,

965
00:49:15,353 --> 00:49:18,822
you know, perhaps the average
level of outdoor awareness

966
00:49:18,822 --> 00:49:22,032
and how to move through the
challenging environments

967
00:49:22,032 --> 00:49:24,816
is slightly higher than the
average summertime visitor.

968
00:49:24,816 --> 00:49:28,066
And so that could be an opportunity to,

969
00:49:31,162 --> 00:49:33,785
any other limitation or yeah,

970
00:49:33,785 --> 00:49:36,883
limitations that we came up with?

971
00:49:36,883 --> 00:49:37,819
How do we reach that audience?

972
00:49:37,819 --> 00:49:38,652
How do you do it?

973
00:49:38,652 --> 00:49:40,285
How do you do it in a way

974
00:49:40,285 --> 00:49:45,285
that is encouraging behavioral
change without being punitive

975
00:49:46,006 --> 00:49:49,059
and nobody wants to be an enforcer,

976
00:49:49,059 --> 00:49:52,802
but that's kind of an old theme, I guess.

977
00:49:52,802 --> 00:49:54,119
[Participant] Yeah.

978
00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:54,952
[Audience Member] That was most

979
00:49:54,952 --> 00:49:55,922
of what we spent our time talking about.

980
00:49:55,922 --> 00:50:00,696
I brought up at the very
end and I think there would,

981
00:50:00,696 --> 00:50:04,597
it would've been nice to hear
more conversation about, but,

982
00:50:04,597 --> 00:50:06,469
so we didn't get to chat about
this as a group too much,

983
00:50:06,469 --> 00:50:10,419
but if the, so this would be a new line.

984
00:50:10,419 --> 00:50:14,227
So future stressors being
demographic reductions

985
00:50:14,227 --> 00:50:19,227
of plant species due to a
variety of different causes.

986
00:50:19,467 --> 00:50:24,290
And management strategies,
demographic reduction,

987
00:50:24,290 --> 00:50:27,271
so you know, reductions
in population size,

988
00:50:27,271 --> 00:50:29,946
abundance, distribution.

989
00:50:29,946 --> 00:50:31,205
Of plants.

990
00:50:31,205 --> 00:50:32,224
[Audience Member] Of plants, yeah.

991
00:50:32,224 --> 00:50:33,391
I guess, yeah.

992
00:50:35,084 --> 00:50:35,997
That's what we care about here.

993
00:50:35,997 --> 00:50:37,024
[Audience Member] Great.

994
00:50:37,024 --> 00:50:38,024
Apologize.

995
00:50:38,970 --> 00:50:39,970
It's tricky.

996
00:50:42,321 --> 00:50:46,211
I mean there's a lot of restoration theory

997
00:50:46,211 --> 00:50:47,683
and practice out there on how to deal

998
00:50:47,683 --> 00:50:49,449
with demographic reductions, right?

999
00:50:49,449 --> 00:50:50,449
In terms of,

1000
00:50:51,856 --> 00:50:56,610
Bob brought up treating the
symptom versus the cause.

1001
00:50:56,610 --> 00:50:58,784
So, you know, you can
get the population size

1002
00:50:58,784 --> 00:51:00,588
back up through various mechanisms,

1003
00:51:00,588 --> 00:51:02,450
but are you addressing the underlying

1004
00:51:02,450 --> 00:51:04,672
cause of the reduction?

1005
00:51:04,672 --> 00:51:08,440
So that's probably also a
limitation in terms of research

1006
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:10,690
and how to do it, you know,

1007
00:51:13,341 --> 00:51:18,341
what knowledge would we need
to guide some of those choices

1008
00:51:19,646 --> 00:51:23,896
and is there even facilities
and processes in place

1009
00:51:24,783 --> 00:51:26,785
to help with that?

1010
00:51:26,785 --> 00:51:29,514
And then Bob also brought up the idea

1011
00:51:29,514 --> 00:51:33,143
of maybe one thing we should be doing

1012
00:51:33,143 --> 00:51:36,599
is thinking about banking
seeds too and you know,

1013
00:51:36,599 --> 00:51:41,599
I'll add keeping provenance
records on those seed banks.

1014
00:51:41,712 --> 00:51:44,391
[Participant] Steve also
briefly touched the subject

1015
00:51:44,391 --> 00:51:46,428
of augmentation.

1016
00:51:46,428 --> 00:51:47,262
[Audience Member] Yeah, right,

1017
00:51:47,262 --> 00:51:49,491
as part of the management strategy.

1018
00:51:49,491 --> 00:51:50,324
Yeah.

1019
00:51:50,324 --> 00:51:51,157
[Audience Member] Right, yeah.

1020
00:51:51,157 --> 00:51:52,050
[Participant] Yeah.

1021
00:51:52,050 --> 00:51:54,438
[Audience Member] I pretended
I didn't get that. (laughs)

1022
00:51:54,438 --> 00:51:57,861
Augmentation, like adaptive
genotypes or species,

1023
00:51:57,861 --> 00:51:59,004
is that what you mean by augmentation?

1024
00:51:59,004 --> 00:52:00,981
[Audience Member] Or even
augmentation of, you know,

1025
00:52:00,981 --> 00:52:02,941
even if it's the local provenance,

1026
00:52:02,941 --> 00:52:06,567
but you know, growing and planting.

1027
00:52:06,567 --> 00:52:08,248
Yeah, you could collect
seeds, (indistinct) them,

1028
00:52:08,248 --> 00:52:09,964
and then put them back in place.

1029
00:52:09,964 --> 00:52:10,797
[Audience Member] Right.

1030
00:52:10,797 --> 00:52:11,630
Subsequent years.

1031
00:52:11,630 --> 00:52:12,528
[Audience Member] Yeah.

1032
00:52:12,528 --> 00:52:13,444
(indistinct)

1033
00:52:13,444 --> 00:52:15,406
[Participant] Like that augment.

1034
00:52:15,406 --> 00:52:17,931
[Audience Member] Right, yeah.

1035
00:52:17,931 --> 00:52:19,825
Well, definitely continue
about that conversation

1036
00:52:19,825 --> 00:52:22,300
outside of this for sure because
it's really (indistinct).

1037
00:52:22,300 --> 00:52:24,615
[Audience Member] Anything else, group?

1038
00:52:24,615 --> 00:52:27,282
That we wanted to put out there.

1039
00:52:30,047 --> 00:52:31,512
[Participant] We talked
about dogs quite a bit.

1040
00:52:31,512 --> 00:52:34,155
(audience laughing)

1041
00:52:34,155 --> 00:52:35,183
We can maybe come back around.

1042
00:52:35,183 --> 00:52:36,016
[Audience Member] Yeah.

1043
00:52:36,016 --> 00:52:37,148
Okay.

1044
00:52:37,148 --> 00:52:38,080
Addition.

1045
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:39,136
[Audience Member] Yeah, sure.

1046
00:52:39,136 --> 00:52:41,687
How about the group in the back?

1047
00:52:41,687 --> 00:52:42,672
[Audience Member] Well,
this kind of builds

1048
00:52:42,672 --> 00:52:45,505
on that last one and we have this,

1049
00:52:46,377 --> 00:52:49,577
the term for the future
stressor, shrubification.

1050
00:52:49,577 --> 00:52:51,994
(indistinct)

1051
00:52:53,252 --> 00:52:57,376
I think it's really about
any changes in vegetation,

1052
00:52:57,376 --> 00:53:00,795
whether it's changing
dynamics of the vegetation

1053
00:53:00,795 --> 00:53:04,477
that's already there or
new things coming in.

1054
00:53:04,477 --> 00:53:06,919
And the strategy, it's
not even a strategy,

1055
00:53:06,919 --> 00:53:11,533
it was more a question, do
we manage the vegetation?

1056
00:53:11,533 --> 00:53:16,533
And then the limitations are
there's practical limitations

1057
00:53:17,125 --> 00:53:21,754
of management designations
like wilderness areas

1058
00:53:21,754 --> 00:53:23,457
that might influence that.

1059
00:53:23,457 --> 00:53:26,673
There's, I think the
philosophical discussions

1060
00:53:26,673 --> 00:53:28,172
around management in those places

1061
00:53:28,172 --> 00:53:32,094
become that way more visible and focused.

1062
00:53:32,094 --> 00:53:33,616
And then there's just the whole question

1063
00:53:33,616 --> 00:53:35,421
of unintended consequences

1064
00:53:35,421 --> 00:53:39,454
about really knowing what's gonna happen.

1065
00:53:39,454 --> 00:53:41,051
So I'm hearing sort of this question

1066
00:53:41,051 --> 00:53:42,978
about whether or not we
should be more hands-on

1067
00:53:42,978 --> 00:53:43,940
or hands-off.

1068
00:53:43,940 --> 00:53:45,332
[Audience Member] Yeah.

1069
00:53:45,332 --> 00:53:46,238
Okay.

1070
00:53:46,238 --> 00:53:48,087
[Audience Member] Yeah.

1071
00:53:48,087 --> 00:53:48,996
Good way to sum it.

1072
00:53:48,996 --> 00:53:49,955
Yeah.

1073
00:53:49,955 --> 00:53:52,235
I'm curious before we go,

1074
00:53:52,235 --> 00:53:54,591
maybe we can go back around
one more time quickly to that.

1075
00:53:54,591 --> 00:53:55,424
[Jordon] Sure, yeah.

1076
00:53:55,424 --> 00:53:57,076
If there's anything else
people want to add to that.

1077
00:53:57,076 --> 00:54:01,153
But I'm curious, since we are
talking mostly plants here

1078
00:54:01,153 --> 00:54:02,413
and that's where my brain is too,

1079
00:54:02,413 --> 00:54:04,168
but is somebody else like not thinking

1080
00:54:04,168 --> 00:54:05,518
about plants that suck?

1081
00:54:05,518 --> 00:54:06,707
(audience laughing)

1082
00:54:06,707 --> 00:54:07,752
[Audience Member] Yes.

1083
00:54:07,752 --> 00:54:10,507
[Participant] But I mean,
but it relates to plants

1084
00:54:10,507 --> 00:54:11,340
in the long term.

1085
00:54:11,340 --> 00:54:15,182
But when we talk about like
something in the near future,

1086
00:54:15,182 --> 00:54:16,803
that's why I kind of like pulled back

1087
00:54:16,803 --> 00:54:19,430
'cause this is gonna be
like a long term thing.

1088
00:54:19,430 --> 00:54:24,430
As climate changes and soils
warm, they become more active.

1089
00:54:24,457 --> 00:54:28,116
Your microorganisms are
starting to break down those,

1090
00:54:28,116 --> 00:54:30,248
that organic matter and those alpine soils

1091
00:54:30,248 --> 00:54:32,494
that has been kind of just
like hanging out there

1092
00:54:32,494 --> 00:54:35,293
as a nice source of food for plants.

1093
00:54:35,293 --> 00:54:37,395
And so that's going to decrease,

1094
00:54:37,395 --> 00:54:39,451
your productivity will diminish over time

1095
00:54:39,451 --> 00:54:43,157
if you're not inputting
something back into it.

1096
00:54:43,157 --> 00:54:45,768
And that's not typically the
plant community that does that.

1097
00:54:45,768 --> 00:54:47,654
That's why it works down lower

1098
00:54:47,654 --> 00:54:50,854
where you've got all the
glitter layer and woody debris.

1099
00:54:50,854 --> 00:54:55,687
And so the alpine zone in
general is gonna face difficulty

1100
00:54:58,246 --> 00:55:03,246
in the soils realm as far
as soil productivity goes.

1101
00:55:03,282 --> 00:55:07,880
So then it, but it's how
do you get after that?

1102
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,123
So we just burn more fossil fuels.

1103
00:55:11,123 --> 00:55:13,384
(audience laughing)

1104
00:55:13,384 --> 00:55:14,384
More dogs.

1105
00:55:15,551 --> 00:55:17,406
(audience laughing)

1106
00:55:17,406 --> 00:55:19,304
(indistinct)

1107
00:55:19,304 --> 00:55:21,178
[Audience Member] That's
a very good point.

1108
00:55:21,178 --> 00:55:22,374
[Participant] Yeah.

1109
00:55:22,374 --> 00:55:25,210
(indistinct)

1110
00:55:25,210 --> 00:55:26,043
Let's throw that in.

1111
00:55:26,043 --> 00:55:26,876
[Audience Member] Yeah.

1112
00:55:26,876 --> 00:55:31,106
So, and understanding like
if you do have an influx

1113
00:55:31,106 --> 00:55:34,689
of invasives that can
shift your microbiome

1114
00:55:35,993 --> 00:55:38,098
and then if you do get a bunch of it

1115
00:55:38,098 --> 00:55:40,397
and then you have to go
in and manually remove it,

1116
00:55:40,397 --> 00:55:44,000
then you've got that
manual impact to the soil.

1117
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,284
So like erosion, further degradation.

1118
00:55:47,284 --> 00:55:50,346
So everything relates to soil.

1119
00:55:50,346 --> 00:55:51,508
(audience laughing)

1120
00:55:51,508 --> 00:55:55,791
Yes, I would fundamentally
agree with that.

1121
00:55:55,791 --> 00:55:57,010
And pair material.

1122
00:55:57,010 --> 00:55:58,104
[Audience Member] Yeah.

1123
00:55:58,104 --> 00:56:01,196
So we're doing some small
mammal work or we not,

1124
00:56:01,196 --> 00:56:03,575
Brittany Slovak is doing some
small mammal work on our,

1125
00:56:03,575 --> 00:56:05,462
but is there anybody
else that's doing like,

1126
00:56:05,462 --> 00:56:07,553
not even related to vegetation at all?

1127
00:56:07,553 --> 00:56:10,443
It's really vegetation and soil.

1128
00:56:10,443 --> 00:56:13,054
Well, I'll just throw out,
it's not any research,

1129
00:56:13,054 --> 00:56:16,759
just observations to get
us out of the plant realm.

1130
00:56:16,759 --> 00:56:18,942
Although of course it
comes back to the plants.

1131
00:56:18,942 --> 00:56:22,934
Having made multiple
observations of woodchucks

1132
00:56:22,934 --> 00:56:25,483
coming up above treeline
in the White Mountains.

1133
00:56:25,483 --> 00:56:27,875
And maybe this is just a
different aspect of the,

1134
00:56:27,875 --> 00:56:31,358
sort of the shrubification
sort of topic of changes

1135
00:56:31,358 --> 00:56:35,358
in who's up there in terms
of plants and animals

1136
00:56:36,833 --> 00:56:38,210
and do we do anything about that?

1137
00:56:38,210 --> 00:56:40,161
I don't really know
what the historical role

1138
00:56:40,161 --> 00:56:42,447
of woodchucks in the alpine
zone was, for instance.

1139
00:56:42,447 --> 00:56:43,802
But they go up there and they root around,

1140
00:56:43,802 --> 00:56:48,465
and cause disturbance that
then can create sites for,

1141
00:56:48,465 --> 00:56:51,118
you know, invasives or just
erosion and things like that.

1142
00:56:51,118 --> 00:56:54,135
And so there may be animal
changes that happen up there

1143
00:56:54,135 --> 00:56:56,071
as well as change.

1144
00:56:56,071 --> 00:56:58,268
[Audience Member] They bite
through my sensor cables.

1145
00:56:58,268 --> 00:57:00,982
(audience laughing)

1146
00:57:00,982 --> 00:57:03,792
[Participant] Just to bring
animals in, birds signal,

1147
00:57:03,792 --> 00:57:08,125
brush, tippets, will they
continue to have a habitat

1148
00:57:09,603 --> 00:57:10,520
to nest in?

1149
00:57:11,761 --> 00:57:13,263
And their surveys are going on.

1150
00:57:13,263 --> 00:57:14,096
(indistinct)

1151
00:57:14,096 --> 00:57:15,493
Luca studies to.

1152
00:57:15,493 --> 00:57:18,854
Also, there are two
butterflies, the (indistinct),

1153
00:57:18,854 --> 00:57:22,604
that are rarities, that
habitat little known,

1154
00:57:23,748 --> 00:57:28,165
post plants, even less, so
there are some challenges.

1155
00:57:29,413 --> 00:57:30,934
[Audience Member] Pollinators.

1156
00:57:30,934 --> 00:57:31,934
Pollinators.

1157
00:57:33,954 --> 00:57:34,787
See?

1158
00:57:34,787 --> 00:57:35,620
We can talk about it.

1159
00:57:35,620 --> 00:57:37,154
(audience laughing)

1160
00:57:37,154 --> 00:57:38,735
If forced to.

1161
00:57:38,735 --> 00:57:42,886
[Audience Member] Yeah,
Melissa, at the butterflies.

1162
00:57:42,886 --> 00:57:44,136
Regina Melissa.

1163
00:57:47,620 --> 00:57:48,453
(indistinct)

1164
00:57:48,453 --> 00:57:49,334
Yeah.

1165
00:57:49,334 --> 00:57:50,589
We're gonna transition
to talking about kind

1166
00:57:50,589 --> 00:57:54,447
of management toolbox
ideas since Seth's point.

1167
00:57:54,447 --> 00:57:56,262
But does anybody have any
last thoughts that they,

1168
00:57:56,262 --> 00:57:59,250
we don't feel like we captured
that we need to share?

1169
00:57:59,250 --> 00:58:01,148
Yeah, lots of people.

1170
00:58:01,148 --> 00:58:02,699
(audience laughing)

1171
00:58:02,699 --> 00:58:03,876
Maybe same one.

1172
00:58:03,876 --> 00:58:07,910
Just trail decision, like
trail network decisions do,

1173
00:58:07,910 --> 00:58:09,830
maybe we need to close
some trails sometimes

1174
00:58:09,830 --> 00:58:12,928
if they're in bad locations
where built poorly.

1175
00:58:12,928 --> 00:58:13,893
That's something we,

1176
00:58:13,893 --> 00:58:17,636
that some people of forest
service are asking every time.

1177
00:58:17,636 --> 00:58:19,938
We have a fairly relocated project,

1178
00:58:19,938 --> 00:58:23,458
and we're also a group
of us are really looking,

1179
00:58:23,458 --> 00:58:27,635
wanna look at forest wide
where we have bog bridging

1180
00:58:27,635 --> 00:58:32,159
and high elevation areas and
trying to relocate cradle

1181
00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:34,159
to less sensitive areas.

1182
00:58:36,132 --> 00:58:37,973
So we have a couple of
examples of where we're,

1183
00:58:37,973 --> 00:58:39,916
we're doing that now, relocating.

1184
00:58:39,916 --> 00:58:42,245
[Audience Member] I think my contribution

1185
00:58:42,245 --> 00:58:46,485
is the management strategy
to that, no, is well,

1186
00:58:46,485 --> 00:58:51,485
one piece of it would be to do
a comprehensive hydrological

1187
00:58:52,217 --> 00:58:56,467
study of future climate
and where those weak points

1188
00:59:00,201 --> 00:59:03,333
are in the trail network and
where we should be thinking

1189
00:59:03,333 --> 00:59:08,079
about closing and relocating
bugs and bridges and so forth.

1190
00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:11,273
So I think it's a piece of how
do you make those decisions

1191
00:59:11,273 --> 00:59:14,968
so you're not going back
and making them again

1192
00:59:14,968 --> 00:59:19,468
is doing some modeling around
the hydrological feature

1193
00:59:21,924 --> 00:59:23,424
of these networks.

1194
00:59:24,611 --> 00:59:25,648
Well.

1195
00:59:25,648 --> 00:59:26,481
[Audience Member] Yeah.

1196
00:59:26,481 --> 00:59:29,836
[Audience Member] We talked
about how the large scale

1197
00:59:29,836 --> 00:59:32,723
systemic climate change issue

1198
00:59:32,723 --> 00:59:36,114
is not really necessarily
separate from the issue

1199
00:59:36,114 --> 00:59:38,613
of interacting with people
who are up in the alpine zone

1200
00:59:38,613 --> 00:59:42,288
and how the alpine zone
provides a path to talk

1201
00:59:42,288 --> 00:59:45,514
to people about larger
climate policy issues.

1202
00:59:45,514 --> 00:59:50,284
But then a challenge of that
is that the message could be,

1203
00:59:50,284 --> 00:59:51,457
is often really simplified.

1204
00:59:51,457 --> 00:59:53,369
Like it's getting warmer, the
alpine zone is gonna creep up,

1205
00:59:53,369 --> 00:59:57,818
and disappear and that it's not
as simple temperature rises,

1206
00:59:57,818 --> 00:59:58,651
things are gone,

1207
00:59:58,651 --> 01:00:00,962
that there's all these
other climate factors.

1208
01:00:00,962 --> 01:00:04,704
And so being able to do that
while keeping nuance, but yeah.

1209
01:00:04,704 --> 01:00:07,176
But engaging that audience.

1210
01:00:07,176 --> 01:00:08,009
That makes sense.

1211
01:00:08,009 --> 01:00:12,089
Yeah, warming's one component
of the global change issue.

1212
01:00:12,089 --> 01:00:12,922
All right.

1213
01:00:12,922 --> 01:00:13,755
Transition.

1214
01:00:13,755 --> 01:00:14,588
Yeah.

1215
01:00:17,590 --> 01:00:18,913
[Audience Member] We need that QR code.

1216
01:00:18,913 --> 01:00:19,746
Is that it?

1217
01:00:19,746 --> 01:00:22,918
[Audience Member] Yeah, that's it.

1218
01:00:22,918 --> 01:00:23,751
Go ahead.

1219
01:00:23,751 --> 01:00:24,584
You wanna introduce it?

1220
01:00:24,584 --> 01:00:25,417
Want me to?

1221
01:00:25,417 --> 01:00:26,250
Yeah.

1222
01:00:26,250 --> 01:00:27,083
[Audience Member] Yeah.

1223
01:00:27,083 --> 01:00:29,464
So we're gonna transition
to talking about kind of,

1224
01:00:29,464 --> 01:00:30,626
you know, we talked about
a lot of management issues,

1225
01:00:30,626 --> 01:00:32,162
future issues, limitations.

1226
01:00:32,162 --> 01:00:34,320
And so, you know, what Jordon
and I are really interested

1227
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:37,856
in is, you know, if we were to
produce a management toolbox

1228
01:00:37,856 --> 01:00:39,921
that would be helpful
to managers, you know,

1229
01:00:39,921 --> 01:00:42,406
academics produce management
toolbox all the time

1230
01:00:42,406 --> 01:00:44,447
that aren't helpful to
managers necessarily.

1231
01:00:44,447 --> 01:00:47,345
So we wanna do something
that's helpful, right?

1232
01:00:47,345 --> 01:00:48,360
What would that look like?

1233
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:51,787
And so the first question
is kind of what resources,

1234
01:00:51,787 --> 01:00:53,232
the question on the poll I think is kind

1235
01:00:53,232 --> 01:00:55,585
of what resources would you want?

1236
01:00:55,585 --> 01:00:58,344
And then, so we're gonna have
you fill out this poll again,

1237
01:00:58,344 --> 01:00:59,903
if you don't mind.

1238
01:00:59,903 --> 01:01:01,555
And it'll pop up on a word cloud, I think.

1239
01:01:01,555 --> 01:01:04,207
And then, but then we'll just
jump right into discussion

1240
01:01:04,207 --> 01:01:06,717
about, you know, what resources are needed

1241
01:01:06,717 --> 01:01:10,406
and what format should
we be providing those in.

1242
01:01:10,406 --> 01:01:12,772
Do we wanna create a website?

1243
01:01:12,772 --> 01:01:15,568
Do we just wanna report that's
gonna get on a dusty shelf?

1244
01:01:15,568 --> 01:01:17,324
Do we want a network of people

1245
01:01:17,324 --> 01:01:19,641
that talk like we have right now?

1246
01:01:19,641 --> 01:01:21,927
Like, you know, that
Josh Benish has already,

1247
01:01:21,927 --> 01:01:23,018
you know, those are just ideas.

1248
01:01:23,018 --> 01:01:24,267
We want creative ideas.

1249
01:01:24,267 --> 01:01:26,866
So does that make sense?

1250
01:01:26,866 --> 01:01:28,047
Great.

1251
01:01:28,047 --> 01:01:30,002
Okay, so we'll just give
people a couple of minutes

1252
01:01:30,002 --> 01:01:32,870
for the poll and then we
can just jump into this sort

1253
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:37,537
of freeform discussion like
the kind of have been doing.

1254
01:01:40,646 --> 01:01:45,646
It's the, can you access
the question? (indistinct)

1255
01:01:46,144 --> 01:01:48,604
[Audience Member] Skip all the other ones.

1256
01:01:48,604 --> 01:01:51,204
(indistinct)

1257
01:01:51,204 --> 01:01:53,087
[Participant] You might
get us all going back

1258
01:01:53,087 --> 01:01:53,920
to the beginning.

1259
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,862
There you go.

1260
01:01:55,862 --> 01:01:56,695
Again.

1261
01:01:58,574 --> 01:01:59,748
Sorry, you went back to the beginning.

1262
01:01:59,748 --> 01:02:02,665
I didn't realize that would happen.

1263
01:02:04,646 --> 01:02:09,185
(audience chattering indistinctly)

1264
01:02:09,185 --> 01:02:14,185
[Audience Member] The online,
person can jump in anytime.

1265
01:02:14,378 --> 01:02:18,998
(audience chattering indistinctly)

1266
01:02:18,998 --> 01:02:23,615
(audience chattering indistinctly)

1267
01:02:23,615 --> 01:02:27,285
(audience chattering indistinctly)

1268
01:02:27,285 --> 01:02:28,980
[Audience Member] Is it working?

1269
01:02:28,980 --> 01:02:31,662
If you go into the old, the previous one.

1270
01:02:31,662 --> 01:02:33,952
(audience chattering indistinctly)

1271
01:02:33,952 --> 01:02:34,785
[Participant] Skip on.

1272
01:02:34,785 --> 01:02:35,618
[Audience Member] Oh, really?

1273
01:02:35,618 --> 01:02:36,451
[Participant] Yeah, if you can.

1274
01:02:36,451 --> 01:02:37,284
[Audience Member] That's fine.

1275
01:02:37,284 --> 01:02:38,750
[Participant] Okay, thank you.

1276
01:02:38,750 --> 01:02:40,086
I think you can't get your interest in,

1277
01:02:40,086 --> 01:02:42,108
don't worry too much about
it if you missed that.

1278
01:02:42,108 --> 01:02:45,323
(audience chattering indistinctly)

1279
01:02:45,323 --> 01:02:47,337
[Audience Member] I
just was trying to get.

1280
01:02:47,337 --> 01:02:49,467
(indistinct)

1281
01:02:49,467 --> 01:02:50,300
Helpful.

1282
01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:51,133
[Audience Member] Yeah.

1283
01:02:51,133 --> 01:02:51,975
[Participant] Sorry.

1284
01:02:51,975 --> 01:02:54,975
(audience laughing)

1285
01:02:57,891 --> 01:02:59,155
Everyone good with the QR codes?

1286
01:02:59,155 --> 01:03:01,072
They still need it or?

1287
01:03:14,571 --> 01:03:15,667
I guess as these are popping up,

1288
01:03:15,667 --> 01:03:17,251
if anyone wants to jump in and just kind

1289
01:03:17,251 --> 01:03:21,396
of explain what they mean
by what they put down,

1290
01:03:21,396 --> 01:03:23,563
please feel free to do so.

1291
01:03:38,117 --> 01:03:39,378
[Audience Member] Curious
for the citizen science

1292
01:03:39,378 --> 01:03:42,235
projects, what data do we
want citizen scientists

1293
01:03:42,235 --> 01:03:45,665
to be collecting for us
that would help us to.

1294
01:03:45,665 --> 01:03:47,177
Chronology.

1295
01:03:47,177 --> 01:03:48,207
[Audience Member] And how
does chronology help us

1296
01:03:48,207 --> 01:03:49,540
with management?

1297
01:03:51,856 --> 01:03:53,274
[Audience Member] It helps us understand

1298
01:03:53,274 --> 01:03:56,640
which species are
responding to climate change

1299
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,712
and which ones are not.

1300
01:03:58,712 --> 01:04:00,802
[Audience Member] Gotcha.

1301
01:04:00,802 --> 01:04:01,893
Okay.

1302
01:04:01,893 --> 01:04:03,481
[Participant] Yeah, I didn't put this up,

1303
01:04:03,481 --> 01:04:07,081
but it was what I was thinking
before I screwed up the poll.

1304
01:04:07,081 --> 01:04:08,666
(audience laughing)

1305
01:04:08,666 --> 01:04:10,473
[Participant] But the
library of papers, you know,

1306
01:04:10,473 --> 01:04:11,854
thinking there's probably
already been a lot

1307
01:04:11,854 --> 01:04:15,995
of work done on like alpine
trail design and location

1308
01:04:15,995 --> 01:04:20,670
and things like sea maybe,
so I think, you know,

1309
01:04:20,670 --> 01:04:23,438
the first step is with
it's already (indistinct)

1310
01:04:23,438 --> 01:04:26,664
a good management of practices
and are there things going

1311
01:04:26,664 --> 01:04:29,965
on where we don't have a good
sense of how we deal with it?

1312
01:04:29,965 --> 01:04:31,927
So you compile what we know

1313
01:04:31,927 --> 01:04:34,889
and then try to think
about what we need to know.

1314
01:04:34,889 --> 01:04:35,722
[Audience Member] Yeah.

1315
01:04:35,722 --> 01:04:36,555
(indistinct)

1316
01:04:36,555 --> 01:04:37,731
[Audience Member] Think
about- (indistinct)

1317
01:04:37,731 --> 01:04:38,604
[Participant] I think the basic species

1318
01:04:38,604 --> 01:04:40,111
would be an example where you might have

1319
01:04:40,111 --> 01:04:42,661
to develop your own guidelines.

1320
01:04:42,661 --> 01:04:43,494
[Participant] I see.

1321
01:04:43,494 --> 01:04:44,327
Yeah.

1322
01:04:44,327 --> 01:04:45,803
So synthesizing the
literature, identifying gaps,

1323
01:04:45,803 --> 01:04:47,665
that's something we actually talked a lot.

1324
01:04:47,665 --> 01:04:48,993
I hope you reviewer on the proposal

1325
01:04:48,993 --> 01:04:51,939
that Jordon and I just
submitted not too long ago.

1326
01:04:51,939 --> 01:04:52,772
[Audience Member] Exactly.

1327
01:04:52,772 --> 01:04:54,423
[Participant] And Doug
had a waterman grant

1328
01:04:54,423 --> 01:04:56,634
to synthesize alpine literature.

1329
01:04:56,634 --> 01:05:00,051
So there is a waterman product out there.

1330
01:05:01,272 --> 01:05:02,105
Bibliography.

1331
01:05:02,105 --> 01:05:02,938
Bibliography.

1332
01:05:02,938 --> 01:05:03,771
[Audience Member] Yeah.

1333
01:05:03,771 --> 01:05:04,604
Cool.

1334
01:05:04,604 --> 01:05:05,437
[Audience Member] How
long ago was that done?

1335
01:05:05,437 --> 01:05:06,734
Sorry.

1336
01:05:06,734 --> 01:05:07,761
[Audience Member] Maybe five years ago.

1337
01:05:07,761 --> 01:05:09,878
[Participant] Okay, it's very recent.

1338
01:05:09,878 --> 01:05:11,934
[Audience Member] Yeah,
one of the takeaways

1339
01:05:11,934 --> 01:05:14,517
from the stewardship gatherings

1340
01:05:16,022 --> 01:05:18,079
was that there are some
management techniques

1341
01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:20,962
that are developing and
work better than others.

1342
01:05:20,962 --> 01:05:25,629
Things like string fencing,
use of blazing that are new,

1343
01:05:29,451 --> 01:05:32,368
and actually a gathering where one,

1344
01:05:33,338 --> 01:05:34,730
a group is talking to another.

1345
01:05:34,730 --> 01:05:38,277
So when the Baxter people
talk to the Adirondack people,

1346
01:05:38,277 --> 01:05:41,896
it promotes things and that's
what the gathering really one

1347
01:05:41,896 --> 01:05:44,257
of their major advances is.

1348
01:05:44,257 --> 01:05:49,257
So I think opening the communication
among the practitioners

1349
01:05:49,367 --> 01:05:53,304
is absolutely necessary, to speak and so.

1350
01:05:53,304 --> 01:05:54,687
And has that already done

1351
01:05:54,687 --> 01:05:57,287
by like the Alpine Stewardship meeting

1352
01:05:57,287 --> 01:05:58,412
that's every other year?

1353
01:05:58,412 --> 01:06:00,158
Whatever is that, is
that accomplishing that,

1354
01:06:00,158 --> 01:06:01,577
or is it we, more (indistinct).

1355
01:06:01,577 --> 01:06:03,521
[Audience Member] Yeah,
but it's new every year,

1356
01:06:03,521 --> 01:06:04,519
every meeting.

1357
01:06:04,519 --> 01:06:05,352
I see.

1358
01:06:05,352 --> 01:06:06,185
[Audience Member] There's some holdovers.

1359
01:06:06,185 --> 01:06:07,018
Yeah.

1360
01:06:07,018 --> 01:06:08,982
[Audience Member] It's
serving that purpose.

1361
01:06:08,982 --> 01:06:10,970
But it would be nice to formalize.

1362
01:06:10,970 --> 01:06:11,803
Yeah.

1363
01:06:11,803 --> 01:06:12,842
[Audience Member] On some of that.

1364
01:06:12,842 --> 01:06:13,675
Okay.

1365
01:06:13,675 --> 01:06:14,508
[Audience Member] Correct me if I'm wrong.

1366
01:06:14,508 --> 01:06:16,928
I did get the impression that
you meet every couple years,

1367
01:06:16,928 --> 01:06:18,215
but then the communication sort

1368
01:06:18,215 --> 01:06:21,033
of dies down a little
bit in the interim time.

1369
01:06:21,033 --> 01:06:21,866
Yep.

1370
01:06:21,866 --> 01:06:22,699
[Audience Member] Yeah, for the most part.

1371
01:06:22,699 --> 01:06:23,540
Yeah.

1372
01:06:23,540 --> 01:06:25,758
Areas that are close to
one another, (indistinct)

1373
01:06:25,758 --> 01:06:26,905
talks to Franconia.

1374
01:06:26,905 --> 01:06:28,237
[Chris] Right.

1375
01:06:28,237 --> 01:06:30,818
[Audience Member] But
no one talks to Baxter

1376
01:06:30,818 --> 01:06:32,769
and every two years they-

1377
01:06:32,769 --> 01:06:34,938
They come out of the North
Woods, a few of them.

1378
01:06:34,938 --> 01:06:35,976
[Audience Member] Yeah.

1379
01:06:35,976 --> 01:06:37,297
[Jordon] So developing
some sort of network

1380
01:06:37,297 --> 01:06:39,662
where that communication can happen.

1381
01:06:39,662 --> 01:06:40,495
[Audience Member] Outside of.

1382
01:06:40,495 --> 01:06:42,495
(audience chattering indistinctly)

1383
01:06:42,495 --> 01:06:45,828
[Jordon] Yeah, some sort of mechanism.

1384
01:06:47,782 --> 01:06:48,615
[Audience Member] Things that strikes me

1385
01:06:48,615 --> 01:06:51,385
about this is that, and
maybe this spins off,

1386
01:06:51,385 --> 01:06:53,567
from the stewardship
gathering is one of the things

1387
01:06:53,567 --> 01:06:55,725
that's great about it is that
it brings together everyone

1388
01:06:55,725 --> 01:06:58,009
from like the trail crew people

1389
01:06:58,009 --> 01:07:00,814
who are like placing rocks on the ground

1390
01:07:00,814 --> 01:07:03,509
to the academic researchers to, you know,

1391
01:07:03,509 --> 01:07:05,390
compare experiences and share ideas

1392
01:07:05,390 --> 01:07:08,956
and you really need that
whole broad spectrum

1393
01:07:08,956 --> 01:07:11,958
of things in this toolbox,
whatever form it takes.

1394
01:07:11,958 --> 01:07:14,052
And thinking about the recreational use,

1395
01:07:14,052 --> 01:07:16,003
it's everything from, you know,

1396
01:07:16,003 --> 01:07:18,131
how are we driving people to these sites?

1397
01:07:18,131 --> 01:07:22,059
How do we, you know,
large scale trail design,

1398
01:07:22,059 --> 01:07:26,194
which trails should we
close to, you know, to very,

1399
01:07:26,194 --> 01:07:28,545
very microsite specific decisions

1400
01:07:28,545 --> 01:07:30,468
and practices in trail work?

1401
01:07:30,468 --> 01:07:34,005
And so really that's a huge
gamut of different types

1402
01:07:34,005 --> 01:07:37,838
of very specific skills
and planning processes

1403
01:07:38,895 --> 01:07:43,385
and all of that to try
to encompass into a box.

1404
01:07:43,385 --> 01:07:46,302
But you need all those pieces, right?

1405
01:07:46,302 --> 01:07:47,430
[Audience Member] I tried
to write my response

1406
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:49,970
on the thing, but for some
reason it's not showing.

1407
01:07:49,970 --> 01:07:51,618
(audience laughing)

1408
01:07:51,618 --> 01:07:52,920
Maybe it didn't like my idea,

1409
01:07:52,920 --> 01:07:57,920
but (indistinct) to go
back to the soil microbiome

1410
01:07:58,814 --> 01:08:00,479
that you were talking about earlier,

1411
01:08:00,479 --> 01:08:02,606
and maybe like creating a library

1412
01:08:02,606 --> 01:08:06,439
of like different alpine
zones in New England,

1413
01:08:09,193 --> 01:08:12,079
collecting both like soil
microbiome information,

1414
01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:14,394
but also like (indistinct)
and sphere information

1415
01:08:14,394 --> 01:08:17,397
of the alpine plants that
exist in those communities,

1416
01:08:17,397 --> 01:08:20,793
and just being able to
like build a library,

1417
01:08:20,793 --> 01:08:23,416
understand like what
complete microbial diversity

1418
01:08:23,416 --> 01:08:25,849
like exists in this system.

1419
01:08:25,849 --> 01:08:28,721
[Jordon] I'm working on that.

1420
01:08:28,721 --> 01:08:30,221
Slowly but surely.

1421
01:08:31,541 --> 01:08:33,725
[Audience Member] So I had
the same problem with my,

1422
01:08:33,725 --> 01:08:35,521
put in one answer and then
it wouldn't let me put

1423
01:08:35,521 --> 01:08:37,155
in the second one.

1424
01:08:37,155 --> 01:08:40,007
The one that didn't show
up is more information

1425
01:08:40,007 --> 01:08:42,982
about the genetics about alpine plants.

1426
01:08:42,982 --> 01:08:47,025
I mean, Steve's suggestion,
if we wanted to pursue,

1427
01:08:47,025 --> 01:08:49,429
I mean, not that I'm going there, please,

1428
01:08:49,429 --> 01:08:52,628
if we wanted to consider augmentation,

1429
01:08:52,628 --> 01:08:54,319
we need to know more about the genetics.

1430
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:56,540
I mean, do we, you know, take from onsite

1431
01:08:56,540 --> 01:08:59,001
or is there a potential
bottleneck, these plants?

1432
01:08:59,001 --> 01:08:59,834
[Audience Member] Exactly.

1433
01:08:59,834 --> 01:09:01,363
[Participant] I mean these
islands essentially in the sky.

1434
01:09:01,363 --> 01:09:03,148
So they've been interbreeding

1435
01:09:03,148 --> 01:09:05,148
or inbred for like hundreds,

1436
01:09:05,148 --> 01:09:07,842
maybe thousands of years, who
knows since the last ice age?

1437
01:09:07,842 --> 01:09:09,645
So do we wanna increase the diversity

1438
01:09:09,645 --> 01:09:12,075
and takes some plants
from the White Mountains

1439
01:09:12,075 --> 01:09:13,570
and bring them over to
the Green Mountains?

1440
01:09:13,570 --> 01:09:14,403
Vice versa.

1441
01:09:14,403 --> 01:09:16,184
But I wouldn't dare even consider that,

1442
01:09:16,184 --> 01:09:17,496
unless we had some genetic work

1443
01:09:17,496 --> 01:09:19,460
to look into what we're doing.

1444
01:09:19,460 --> 01:09:20,788
We're kind of playing God here,

1445
01:09:20,788 --> 01:09:24,244
but yeah, we may come to that, so.

1446
01:09:24,244 --> 01:09:25,946
I book conservation genetics though.

1447
01:09:25,946 --> 01:09:27,168
(indistinct)

1448
01:09:27,168 --> 01:09:28,001
[Audience Member] Sorry.

1449
01:09:28,001 --> 01:09:28,855
No, that's great.

1450
01:09:28,855 --> 01:09:29,871
Yeah.

1451
01:09:29,871 --> 01:09:31,651
And I think, correct me if I'm wrong,

1452
01:09:31,651 --> 01:09:34,360
Steve or anybody else that
knows about genetics, you know,

1453
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,367
I think even beyond
just doing the genetics,

1454
01:09:36,367 --> 01:09:38,982
like let's start doing
some breeding studies

1455
01:09:38,982 --> 01:09:40,186
like in the greenhouse or something

1456
01:09:40,186 --> 01:09:42,310
where we take two (indistinct),

1457
01:09:42,310 --> 01:09:45,325
my favorite plant from the
whites and the Cadillac

1458
01:09:45,325 --> 01:09:47,057
and like make them hybridize

1459
01:09:47,057 --> 01:09:48,963
and like see what happens to those.

1460
01:09:48,963 --> 01:09:49,796
[Audience Member] Right.

1461
01:09:49,796 --> 01:09:50,890
[Participant] It may already be happening.

1462
01:09:50,890 --> 01:09:51,723
Right.

1463
01:09:51,723 --> 01:09:52,556
Sure, yeah.

1464
01:09:52,556 --> 01:09:53,722
In the wild, right?

1465
01:09:53,722 --> 01:09:54,555
Yeah, yeah.

1466
01:09:54,555 --> 01:09:55,388
It might.

1467
01:09:55,388 --> 01:09:56,376
[Audience Member] The
jury's fell out on that.

1468
01:09:56,376 --> 01:09:57,209
[Audience Member] Right,

1469
01:09:57,209 --> 01:10:00,417
because one of the cautionary principles

1470
01:10:00,417 --> 01:10:02,862
of any kind of conservation
genetics is, you know,

1471
01:10:02,862 --> 01:10:04,749
do no harm, of course.

1472
01:10:04,749 --> 01:10:06,410
And so that brings in questions

1473
01:10:06,410 --> 01:10:07,762
of operating depression, right?

1474
01:10:07,762 --> 01:10:11,025
And so you can assess that to some extent

1475
01:10:11,025 --> 01:10:12,192
from DNA data,

1476
01:10:13,283 --> 01:10:17,432
but crossing data is a really
nice compliment to that too.

1477
01:10:17,432 --> 01:10:20,760
So yeah, being able to assess
what the fitness effects

1478
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:24,066
of out crossing between
populations would be really nice.

1479
01:10:24,066 --> 01:10:26,149
[Audience Member] Yeah.

1480
01:10:29,794 --> 01:10:31,627
[Participant] I just wanted
to reiterate how nice

1481
01:10:31,627 --> 01:10:33,085
it would be to,

1482
01:10:33,085 --> 01:10:35,079
in the years in between the
Northeast stewardship gap

1483
01:10:35,079 --> 01:10:39,694
alpine gathering have, like
something in that space,

1484
01:10:39,694 --> 01:10:41,765
because it does go really quiet.

1485
01:10:41,765 --> 01:10:44,424
And so having a space to do things,

1486
01:10:44,424 --> 01:10:49,424
where there's opportunities
to meet at something like,

1487
01:10:49,748 --> 01:10:54,025
or to go on a field trip to
like see management actions

1488
01:10:54,025 --> 01:10:56,034
in person at specific site,

1489
01:10:56,034 --> 01:11:00,900
like I think that would fill a
gap that is definitely there.

1490
01:11:00,900 --> 01:11:01,733
[Audience Member] Yeah.

1491
01:11:01,733 --> 01:11:05,053
It's kind of forum for communicating.

1492
01:11:05,053 --> 01:11:05,886
[Participant] Yeah.

1493
01:11:05,886 --> 01:11:07,074
[Audience Member] Even if it's remote.

1494
01:11:07,074 --> 01:11:08,090
[Participant] Right.

1495
01:11:08,090 --> 01:11:08,950
[Audience Member] Yeah.

1496
01:11:08,950 --> 01:11:10,485
Yeah, I was gonna ask that as a remote.

1497
01:11:10,485 --> 01:11:12,482
Like, you know, like Josh, Ben does this,

1498
01:11:12,482 --> 01:11:14,941
like you guys know more about it than me,

1499
01:11:14,941 --> 01:11:17,722
but this monthly kind of the
names group (indistinct).

1500
01:11:17,722 --> 01:11:18,854
[Jordon] Yeah.

1501
01:11:18,854 --> 01:11:20,060
Yeah.

1502
01:11:20,060 --> 01:11:22,713
Forget the, for what its (indistinct).

1503
01:11:22,713 --> 01:11:24,741
Yeah, but it's online, right?

1504
01:11:24,741 --> 01:11:26,525
It's virtual and there's
a presentation every month

1505
01:11:26,525 --> 01:11:27,680
and then there's, you know,

1506
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,432
lots of people probably attend it, right?

1507
01:11:30,432 --> 01:11:32,763
But it's virtual and I
don't know how the people

1508
01:11:32,763 --> 01:11:35,986
like virtual, we're all so sick of it.

1509
01:11:35,986 --> 01:11:37,650
[Audience Member] It's nice
to keep a conversation going

1510
01:11:37,650 --> 01:11:40,626
with people you don't get
to see on a monthly basis.

1511
01:11:40,626 --> 01:11:43,888
So that's, it's really effective for that.

1512
01:11:43,888 --> 01:11:44,721
Yeah.

1513
01:11:44,721 --> 01:11:45,554
[Audience Member] I like the approach

1514
01:11:45,554 --> 01:11:48,568
of something virtual, but
also if we could manage

1515
01:11:48,568 --> 01:11:52,833
to gather people together
more of a casual way,

1516
01:11:52,833 --> 01:11:54,416
that would be cool.

1517
01:12:02,715 --> 01:12:04,051
[Audience Member] I would also say

1518
01:12:04,051 --> 01:12:05,572
I put up coordinated monitoring.

1519
01:12:05,572 --> 01:12:08,888
I feel like there's a lot
of monitoring going on,

1520
01:12:08,888 --> 01:12:13,721
but it's right now mostly, you
know, individual protocols.

1521
01:12:16,639 --> 01:12:18,574
And I think there seems to be,

1522
01:12:18,574 --> 01:12:20,785
I'm still getting to know the community

1523
01:12:20,785 --> 01:12:22,332
and so maybe there's
more coordination going

1524
01:12:22,332 --> 01:12:23,344
on than I'm aware of.

1525
01:12:23,344 --> 01:12:24,725
And maybe there's push in that direction,

1526
01:12:24,725 --> 01:12:26,464
but it seems like that could be something

1527
01:12:26,464 --> 01:12:29,547
that could be a focus and emphasized,

1528
01:12:31,014 --> 01:12:33,237
and it's part of the
communication piece too.

1529
01:12:33,237 --> 01:12:34,070
Yeah.

1530
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:38,237
[Audience Member] We
definitely need an archive.

1531
01:12:39,314 --> 01:12:41,870
And that really means finding a host.

1532
01:12:41,870 --> 01:12:45,017
At some point, The Waterman
Fund considered themselves,

1533
01:12:45,017 --> 01:12:48,934
but they haven't presented
a legitimate and so,

1534
01:12:52,401 --> 01:12:54,635
and it is a big management tool.

1535
01:12:54,635 --> 01:12:58,718
I mean getting an archive
up and curating and QA,

1536
01:13:00,446 --> 01:13:04,449
QC and a whole bunch of
other things is a challenge.

1537
01:13:04,449 --> 01:13:07,449
But the Alpine community information

1538
01:13:08,521 --> 01:13:13,521
is relatively small compared
to most big archives, so.

1539
01:13:13,550 --> 01:13:14,681
[Audience Member] You
consider envisioning sort

1540
01:13:14,681 --> 01:13:17,112
of like a database or some sort
of structure for a database?

1541
01:13:17,112 --> 01:13:17,945
[Participant] A database, yeah.

1542
01:13:17,945 --> 01:13:18,778
[Audience Member] Yeah.

1543
01:13:18,778 --> 01:13:19,611
Similar to what FBMC.

1544
01:13:19,611 --> 01:13:23,779
[Participant] It's not
like a library of papers.

1545
01:13:23,779 --> 01:13:24,974
And it's a library of data.

1546
01:13:24,974 --> 01:13:26,157
[Audience Member] Yeah.

1547
01:13:26,157 --> 01:13:28,198
[Participant] Yeah.

1548
01:13:28,198 --> 01:13:31,311
You know, joining in with a
group like FBMC makes a lot

1549
01:13:31,311 --> 01:13:34,054
of sense where they've
already got some structure.

1550
01:13:34,054 --> 01:13:36,993
So that may, whether that's the right one,

1551
01:13:36,993 --> 01:13:39,683
but certainly not trying to
reinvent the wheel that way.

1552
01:13:39,683 --> 01:13:41,464
Some of that, you know,

1553
01:13:41,464 --> 01:13:44,547
management is not as heavy of a lift.

1554
01:13:46,534 --> 01:13:47,471
[Jordon] So like a subgroup

1555
01:13:47,471 --> 01:13:50,054
within that existing structure.

1556
01:13:52,460 --> 01:13:53,293
[Audience Member] Yeah,

1557
01:13:53,293 --> 01:13:56,609
I think I just throw also
establishing connections

1558
01:13:56,609 --> 01:14:01,054
with alpine managers and people
interested in alpine stuff

1559
01:14:01,054 --> 01:14:02,106
outside of our region.

1560
01:14:02,106 --> 01:14:02,951
We sometimes get stuck

1561
01:14:02,951 --> 01:14:06,627
in our little England alpine
sites bubble, but they're both,

1562
01:14:06,627 --> 01:14:09,204
there's a whole bunch of
sites north of the border

1563
01:14:09,204 --> 01:14:13,468
and Quebec and you know,
Newland, Labrador, and so forth.

1564
01:14:13,468 --> 01:14:15,494
But then also reaching out to the west.

1565
01:14:15,494 --> 01:14:17,241
There's been some dialogue recently

1566
01:14:17,241 --> 01:14:20,124
about even just basic levels of, you know,

1567
01:14:20,124 --> 01:14:22,531
establishing species
lists of alpine species

1568
01:14:22,531 --> 01:14:26,066
across the continent and things
like that to form a baseline

1569
01:14:26,066 --> 01:14:29,006
for conservation of alpine systems.

1570
01:14:29,006 --> 01:14:31,035
So making some of those
connections more broadly.

1571
01:14:31,035 --> 01:14:31,868
Yeah.

1572
01:14:31,868 --> 01:14:33,126
[Audience Member] Jump over the Rockies,

1573
01:14:33,126 --> 01:14:34,732
go to Alaska that.

1574
01:14:34,732 --> 01:14:38,215
(audience chattering indistinctly)

1575
01:14:38,215 --> 01:14:40,422
(audience laughing)

1576
01:14:40,422 --> 01:14:41,255
[Jordon] No, I like that.

1577
01:14:41,255 --> 01:14:42,686
Especially with our Canadian counterparts

1578
01:14:42,686 --> 01:14:46,347
'cause I feel like we now be
able to really talk to them.

1579
01:14:46,347 --> 01:14:49,967
I think there was one or two
people at the last stewardship.

1580
01:14:49,967 --> 01:14:50,800
[Audience Member] Yeah.

1581
01:14:50,800 --> 01:14:51,974
[Participant] Yeah.

1582
01:14:51,974 --> 01:14:52,807
[Audience Member] In general,

1583
01:14:52,807 --> 01:14:54,181
Canadians know what we are doing.

1584
01:14:54,181 --> 01:14:55,024
We do not know.

1585
01:14:55,024 --> 01:14:56,184
(audience laughing)

1586
01:14:56,184 --> 01:14:57,991
They always know.

1587
01:14:57,991 --> 01:14:58,824
[Audience Member] Well, Mike Jones

1588
01:14:58,824 --> 01:15:01,447
has made some good relations
and so he's probably

1589
01:15:01,447 --> 01:15:02,947
a good person too.

1590
01:15:10,587 --> 01:15:14,243
[Participant] I think we may need to kind

1591
01:15:14,243 --> 01:15:19,160
of break some inertia within
a lot of organizations to kind

1592
01:15:20,081 --> 01:15:22,998
of do new things and make progress.

1593
01:15:24,255 --> 01:15:25,154
You know, I was pointing out earlier

1594
01:15:25,154 --> 01:15:28,923
that we don't have a very robust
alpine stewardship program

1595
01:15:28,923 --> 01:15:29,871
in New Hampshire.

1596
01:15:29,871 --> 01:15:31,767
Not to undermine things that are going on,

1597
01:15:31,767 --> 01:15:33,693
but they're primarily volunteer based.

1598
01:15:33,693 --> 01:15:34,526
[Audience Member] Yeah.

1599
01:15:34,526 --> 01:15:36,228
[Participant] We need institutions

1600
01:15:36,228 --> 01:15:40,922
speaking personally now,
institutions that have stepped up,

1601
01:15:40,922 --> 01:15:45,733
some of which are in room or
at least that would be my,

1602
01:15:45,733 --> 01:15:48,253
like we can find resources, more funding,

1603
01:15:48,253 --> 01:15:52,134
and initiative to do some
new things and leadership

1604
01:15:52,134 --> 01:15:53,350
and funding to do it.

1605
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:55,767
But things and it's, we have,

1606
01:16:00,123 --> 01:16:02,115
there's one small step in that direction.

1607
01:16:02,115 --> 01:16:06,461
So we did just get some
BIL budget infrastructure

1608
01:16:06,461 --> 01:16:11,461
legislation funding to have an
invasive species control plan

1609
01:16:12,182 --> 01:16:13,015
put together.

1610
01:16:13,015 --> 01:16:16,248
And we're looking at our state partner

1611
01:16:16,248 --> 01:16:18,278
of New Hampshire Natural Heritage Bureau

1612
01:16:18,278 --> 01:16:20,955
to help us put that together.

1613
01:16:20,955 --> 01:16:25,164
So that would be, the idea
would be to identify inventory

1614
01:16:25,164 --> 01:16:30,164
and monitoring needs and some
initial control strategies,

1615
01:16:30,343 --> 01:16:32,161
prioritizing where we would do just,

1616
01:16:32,161 --> 01:16:35,135
what species of what sites.

1617
01:16:35,135 --> 01:16:36,874
So just kind of get that out there.

1618
01:16:36,874 --> 01:16:40,041
Try to get partners engaged, you know,

1619
01:16:42,217 --> 01:16:45,884
National Forest, Auto
Road, AMC state parks.

1620
01:16:47,039 --> 01:16:48,638
So it's maybe a good example

1621
01:16:48,638 --> 01:16:51,526
where we're gonna put this
together and put it out there

1622
01:16:51,526 --> 01:16:54,722
and see if we get engagement
and that might, you know,

1623
01:16:54,722 --> 01:16:56,591
we'll need each of those institutions

1624
01:16:56,591 --> 01:16:59,186
to kind of buy into it
for their part of it.

1625
01:16:59,186 --> 01:17:00,269
What will be.

1626
01:17:01,212 --> 01:17:03,431
(indistinct)

1627
01:17:03,431 --> 01:17:04,905
(audience laughing)

1628
01:17:04,905 --> 01:17:06,405
That would be fun.

1629
01:17:08,029 --> 01:17:11,196
Any other points not brought up yet?

1630
01:17:17,791 --> 01:17:19,558
I think it was a pretty good discussion.

1631
01:17:19,558 --> 01:17:20,836
[Audience Member] Yeah, it's super useful.

1632
01:17:20,836 --> 01:17:23,036
[Jordon] Yeah, sure.

1633
01:17:23,036 --> 01:17:23,869
Yeah.

1634
01:17:23,869 --> 01:17:25,050
So I guess we got a few minutes left.

1635
01:17:25,050 --> 01:17:26,842
I'll just give you a quick little spiel.

1636
01:17:26,842 --> 01:17:31,664
So, you know, one of our big
concerns was that, you know,

1637
01:17:31,664 --> 01:17:33,326
we bring you all together,
we talk about this,

1638
01:17:33,326 --> 01:17:36,751
and then there would be a
fall off of enthusiasm that,

1639
01:17:36,751 --> 01:17:38,214
enthusiasm after that, after that,

1640
01:17:38,214 --> 01:17:39,773
and we would just (indistinct).

1641
01:17:39,773 --> 01:17:41,931
We would definitely
wanna follow up with you,

1642
01:17:41,931 --> 01:17:43,764
keep this dream alive.

1643
01:17:45,995 --> 01:17:48,773
We're going to summarize
what we talked about today

1644
01:17:48,773 --> 01:17:50,871
and to hopefully share it with you all.

1645
01:17:50,871 --> 01:17:52,444
You have opportunity and poll

1646
01:17:52,444 --> 01:17:54,408
to put your personal
information, I do believe.

1647
01:17:54,408 --> 01:17:59,091
And if you did not, we have
a signup sheet back there

1648
01:17:59,091 --> 01:18:01,106
or a piece of paper back there.

1649
01:18:01,106 --> 01:18:03,131
So if you wanna put your contact info

1650
01:18:03,131 --> 01:18:06,096
and you didn't get a
chance to, please do so.

1651
01:18:06,096 --> 01:18:08,841
We can share what we found with you all.

1652
01:18:08,841 --> 01:18:12,505
What we would like to do in the
future, depending on funding

1653
01:18:12,505 --> 01:18:15,014
and available time and
resources and all that,

1654
01:18:15,014 --> 01:18:17,995
is to plan additional meetings
to get us all together

1655
01:18:17,995 --> 01:18:19,346
and additional practitioners together

1656
01:18:19,346 --> 01:18:21,667
to talk about these ideas further.

1657
01:18:21,667 --> 01:18:25,587
This would either be hosted
by one of our organizations

1658
01:18:25,587 --> 01:18:28,134
or through an existing meeting.

1659
01:18:28,134 --> 01:18:32,801
So for instance, next year's
alpine stewardship meeting,

1660
01:18:32,801 --> 01:18:37,134
we could circle back to
some of these ideas as well.

1661
01:18:38,001 --> 01:18:41,612
Chris and I have proposals in place

1662
01:18:41,612 --> 01:18:44,747
to do some really cool new institute field

1663
01:18:44,747 --> 01:18:45,970
or institute experiments.

1664
01:18:45,970 --> 01:18:49,344
So in the field, test some
of our hypothesis around,

1665
01:18:49,344 --> 01:18:50,523
how climate change and warming

1666
01:18:50,523 --> 01:18:52,798
will impact alpine vegetation.

1667
01:18:52,798 --> 01:18:54,161
I know there's a lot
of people in this room

1668
01:18:54,161 --> 01:18:57,033
who are academic types
who have similar plans

1669
01:18:57,033 --> 01:18:58,922
to do really cool stuff in the Alpine.

1670
01:18:58,922 --> 01:19:00,884
So we definitely wanna
follow through with that,

1671
01:19:00,884 --> 01:19:04,458
and see how everyone is bearing there.

1672
01:19:04,458 --> 01:19:08,801
Ideally the result of all this
will be some sort of product

1673
01:19:08,801 --> 01:19:12,468
or a series of products
that will, you know,

1674
01:19:14,026 --> 01:19:15,234
form this management toolbox.

1675
01:19:15,234 --> 01:19:18,729
It may not be a physical thing,
it could be database list

1676
01:19:18,729 --> 01:19:22,495
of papers, place where people
can talk, series of meetings.

1677
01:19:22,495 --> 01:19:24,874
But we're not sure exactly
what this will all look like.

1678
01:19:24,874 --> 01:19:28,617
But we're hoping that
whatever we do fostered

1679
01:19:28,617 --> 01:19:29,670
increased collaboration,

1680
01:19:29,670 --> 01:19:32,285
communication between
us all and we can draw

1681
01:19:32,285 --> 01:19:36,368
from a standardized set
of techniques and methods

1682
01:19:37,783 --> 01:19:42,783
to address the critical
problems facing these systems.

1683
01:19:42,933 --> 01:19:44,574
Do you have anything you'd
like to add to all that?

1684
01:19:44,574 --> 01:19:46,136
No, that was great.

1685
01:19:46,136 --> 01:19:47,604
Exactly right.

1686
01:19:47,604 --> 01:19:48,437
[Jordon] Yeah.

1687
01:19:48,437 --> 01:19:50,540
And so if you wanna follow
up with us directly,

1688
01:19:50,540 --> 01:19:55,415
this is our contact info,
feel free to email me anytime.

1689
01:19:55,415 --> 01:19:56,506
I will respond.

1690
01:19:56,506 --> 01:19:57,339
(audience laughing)

1691
01:19:57,339 --> 01:20:00,048
We're pretty good at that.

1692
01:20:00,048 --> 01:20:03,191
And yeah, I think that's it.

1693
01:20:03,191 --> 01:20:04,024
Yeah.

1694
01:20:04,024 --> 01:20:06,130
I hope everybody enjoyed, learned
something from each other,

1695
01:20:06,130 --> 01:20:10,297
and we didn't have (indistinct).