1 00:00:03,060 --> 00:00:04,560 My name is Brooke Fleischman. 2 00:00:04,560 --> 00:00:06,210 I'm the State Seed coordinator of Vermont 3 00:00:06,210 --> 00:00:09,063 based out of the Intervale Center's Conservation Nursery. 4 00:00:10,314 --> 00:00:11,880 And I'm Jess Colby, 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:13,980 the Riparian Lands Project Coordinator 6 00:00:13,980 --> 00:00:15,630 at NorthWoods Stewardship Center. 7 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:19,650 Today we'll be talking about the Vermont Seed Program, 8 00:00:19,650 --> 00:00:22,470 as a part of the Riparian Lands Partnership. 9 00:00:22,470 --> 00:00:25,350 We will review our project timeline, work to date, 10 00:00:25,350 --> 00:00:27,630 and discuss some challenges and opportunities 11 00:00:27,630 --> 00:00:29,373 of this work in the future. 12 00:00:33,070 --> 00:00:35,040 This work wouldn't be possible 13 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:36,530 without the financial support 14 00:00:36,530 --> 00:00:38,490 of the Great Lakes Fisheries Commission, 15 00:00:38,490 --> 00:00:42,450 thanks to Senator Leahy efforts, Vermont Fish and Wildlife, 16 00:00:42,450 --> 00:00:44,403 and the US Fish and Wildlife Service. 17 00:00:48,300 --> 00:00:50,220 Together, we collect, process, 18 00:00:50,220 --> 00:00:53,310 and store locally adapted, native tree and shrub seeds 19 00:00:53,310 --> 00:00:56,703 for Riparian Forest Restoration projects across the state. 20 00:00:57,600 --> 00:01:00,180 We work closely with local conservation nurseries 21 00:01:00,180 --> 00:01:01,680 on native plant propagation, 22 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:03,840 such as the Intervale Conservation Nursery, 23 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:06,423 and the Essex County NRCD nursery. 24 00:01:08,370 --> 00:01:10,350 In addition to working with nurseries, 25 00:01:10,350 --> 00:01:13,020 many seeds go towards direct seeding trials, 26 00:01:13,020 --> 00:01:14,940 with Vermont Fish and Wildlife, 27 00:01:14,940 --> 00:01:18,060 as an experimental alternative restoration approach 28 00:01:18,060 --> 00:01:19,953 to planting bare root tree stock. 29 00:01:21,450 --> 00:01:23,716 To track our collection information, 30 00:01:23,716 --> 00:01:26,070 the Intervale Center houses a database 31 00:01:26,070 --> 00:01:29,070 of map seeds, source locations, and phenology data, 32 00:01:29,070 --> 00:01:30,390 compiled from NorthWoods, 33 00:01:30,390 --> 00:01:33,045 the Nature Conservancy, and the Intervale Center. 34 00:01:33,045 --> 00:01:35,910 Every year we expand our collection locations 35 00:01:35,910 --> 00:01:38,523 to keep genetic diversity at top of mind. 36 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:45,354 In 2015, the first cornfield replication experiments 37 00:01:45,354 --> 00:01:49,200 started at Willoughby Falls Wildlife Management Area, 38 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:50,640 with Vermont Fish and Wildlife, 39 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:53,670 and Fritz Gerhardt of Beck Pond, LLC., 40 00:01:53,670 --> 00:01:56,908 now with the Connecticut River Conservancy. 41 00:01:56,908 --> 00:01:59,160 The experimental fields were prepped 42 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,980 to allow natural regeneration of species, 43 00:02:01,980 --> 00:02:03,360 and recently abandoned, 44 00:02:03,360 --> 00:02:06,483 or disturbed agricultural fields with bere soil. 45 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,790 In 2017, direct seeding trials started 46 00:02:11,790 --> 00:02:13,440 at the LaPlatte Town Forest, 47 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,210 in partnership with the Intervale Center, 48 00:02:15,210 --> 00:02:18,030 US Fish and Wildlife, Vermont Fish and Wildlife, 49 00:02:18,030 --> 00:02:19,517 and the Nature Conservancy. 50 00:02:19,517 --> 00:02:21,480 While the principles were sound, 51 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:23,760 and early trials looked promising, 52 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,130 they struggled to identify seed collection sites, 53 00:02:26,130 --> 00:02:28,893 and gather enough seed to use in these trials. 54 00:02:30,437 --> 00:02:33,780 In 2020, like with many other projects, 55 00:02:33,780 --> 00:02:37,774 the direct seeding trials were halted by COVID-19, 56 00:02:37,774 --> 00:02:40,890 and due to past issues surrounding collecting enough seed 57 00:02:40,890 --> 00:02:42,630 to make the project work. 58 00:02:42,630 --> 00:02:44,534 This sparked even more conversation 59 00:02:44,534 --> 00:02:48,960 around a need for seed collection efforts in the state. 60 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,270 In 2021, NorthWoods Stewardship Center 61 00:02:51,270 --> 00:02:52,590 began collecting seeds 62 00:02:52,590 --> 00:02:54,420 for these direct seeding trials. 63 00:02:54,420 --> 00:02:55,585 And in 2022, 64 00:02:55,585 --> 00:02:58,830 NorthWoods housed its eight eight-month 65 00:02:58,830 --> 00:03:00,450 Riparian Lands crew, 66 00:03:00,450 --> 00:03:03,840 comprised of Rob Fitch and Rona Thompson. 67 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,040 During their field season, 68 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:06,870 they were able to develop protocols, 69 00:03:06,870 --> 00:03:10,890 and expand collection locations, for each target species. 70 00:03:10,890 --> 00:03:12,180 By the end of the season, 71 00:03:12,180 --> 00:03:15,423 roughly 30 million seeds from 19 different species 72 00:03:15,423 --> 00:03:16,893 had been collected. 73 00:03:19,020 --> 00:03:22,200 In January, 2023, I started my position 74 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:23,820 as the state seed coordinator, 75 00:03:23,820 --> 00:03:25,530 based out of the Intervale Center, 76 00:03:25,530 --> 00:03:27,330 to coordinate more collaborative efforts 77 00:03:27,330 --> 00:03:29,583 among partners towards native seeds. 78 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:36,979 Following the success of 2022's long season crew, 79 00:03:36,979 --> 00:03:40,110 NorthWoods once again housed a Riparian Lands crew, 80 00:03:40,110 --> 00:03:42,270 between March and November. 81 00:03:42,270 --> 00:03:45,383 This year's crew members Alex Sale, and Jake Gallinger, 82 00:03:45,383 --> 00:03:48,270 were able to continue where Robin Rona left off, 83 00:03:48,270 --> 00:03:51,000 and expanded locations for collection. 84 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,490 They also assisted with fine tuning our protocols, 85 00:03:53,490 --> 00:03:55,113 and gathering information. 86 00:03:57,150 --> 00:03:59,430 With more refined cleaning protocols, 87 00:03:59,430 --> 00:04:00,949 we are able to get a more accurate count 88 00:04:00,949 --> 00:04:02,880 of seeds collected this year, 89 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,580 which came out to be around 56 million, 90 00:04:05,580 --> 00:04:07,593 from 21 different species. 91 00:04:09,344 --> 00:04:11,730 Direct seeding trials have continued 92 00:04:11,730 --> 00:04:14,550 with our first fall application at three new sites, 93 00:04:14,550 --> 00:04:16,470 in Canaan and Wilcott, Vermont, 94 00:04:16,470 --> 00:04:18,210 with Vermont Fish and Wildlife, 95 00:04:18,210 --> 00:04:19,470 and in Morgan, Vermont, 96 00:04:19,470 --> 00:04:22,623 with the Memphremagog Watershed Association. 97 00:04:23,812 --> 00:04:27,000 At the Intervale Center Conservation Nursery, 98 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:31,050 approximately 70,000 propagules were started in greenhouses, 99 00:04:31,050 --> 00:04:33,873 and later transplanted into the production field. 100 00:04:35,580 --> 00:04:37,800 We've been expanding our functions every year, 101 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,953 and plan to continue this trajectory in years to come. 102 00:04:46,170 --> 00:04:49,740 Our target species list was chosen based on top sellers 103 00:04:49,740 --> 00:04:52,170 from the Intervale Conservation Nursery, 104 00:04:52,170 --> 00:04:55,470 overall con conversations with partners, 105 00:04:55,470 --> 00:04:56,377 and data from 106 00:04:56,377 --> 00:04:59,940 "Plant Material Sourcing Needs for Riparian Forest, 107 00:04:59,940 --> 00:05:02,370 and Wetland Restoration in Vermont," 108 00:05:02,370 --> 00:05:05,370 a report published by the Watershed Forestry Partnership 109 00:05:05,370 --> 00:05:07,080 in 2021. 110 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,110 We'll continue to expand our target list as we grow, 111 00:05:10,110 --> 00:05:11,613 and build out capacity. 112 00:05:13,470 --> 00:05:15,000 By the first week in June, 113 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,620 we are hectically coordinating crews 114 00:05:16,620 --> 00:05:19,830 to collect silver maple, cottonwood, and balsam poplar. 115 00:05:19,830 --> 00:05:22,262 which are all dropping at the same time. 116 00:05:22,262 --> 00:05:24,630 Fall collections are a lot more relaxed, 117 00:05:24,630 --> 00:05:26,610 as the seeds tend to hold on a bit longer 118 00:05:26,610 --> 00:05:28,740 than the spring species do. 119 00:05:28,740 --> 00:05:32,220 September and October are spent prioritizing speckled alder, 120 00:05:32,220 --> 00:05:34,503 birch, cedar, and viburnum. 121 00:05:38,190 --> 00:05:41,400 As we learn more about the species on our target list, 122 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,380 we have begun to use various types 123 00:05:43,380 --> 00:05:45,120 of seed cleaning equipment. 124 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,350 We'll talk a little bit more 125 00:05:46,350 --> 00:05:49,053 about three of our most used methods. 126 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:54,300 Our partnership began purchasing, 127 00:05:54,300 --> 00:05:57,450 and building out sea cleaning equipment in 2021, 128 00:05:57,450 --> 00:06:00,360 when the Intervale Center bought a Dybvig seed cleaner, 129 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,400 Northwood Stewardship Center followed suit 130 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:04,710 and bought their own Dybvig in 2022, 131 00:06:04,710 --> 00:06:08,043 along with a commercial fridge to store clean seeds. 132 00:06:10,230 --> 00:06:11,490 This piece of equipment 133 00:06:11,490 --> 00:06:14,924 specializes in cleaning large quantities of fruity material 134 00:06:14,924 --> 00:06:17,130 for species such as cherry, 135 00:06:17,130 --> 00:06:20,430 dogwood, and viburnum, by macerating them. 136 00:06:20,430 --> 00:06:22,410 There's a plate at the bottom of the machine 137 00:06:22,410 --> 00:06:24,270 that separates and holds seeds 138 00:06:24,270 --> 00:06:26,019 while releasing any fruity pulp, 139 00:06:26,019 --> 00:06:28,110 or vegetative material, 140 00:06:28,110 --> 00:06:29,913 as with the chokecherry pictured. 141 00:06:35,070 --> 00:06:37,380 Both groups work together with the USDA's 142 00:06:37,380 --> 00:06:41,639 Plant Introduction Research Center in Ames, Iowa, 143 00:06:41,639 --> 00:06:44,010 to construct an air column blower, 144 00:06:44,010 --> 00:06:48,030 to clean the fluffier spring species such as willow, aspen, 145 00:06:48,030 --> 00:06:50,340 cottonwood, and balsam poplar. 146 00:06:50,340 --> 00:06:52,816 The air compressor forces air to circulate seeds 147 00:06:52,816 --> 00:06:55,920 around a cylindrical container. 148 00:06:55,920 --> 00:06:58,290 We placed various size screens at the bottom, 149 00:06:58,290 --> 00:07:01,230 so that seeds fall through into a collection bin, 150 00:07:01,230 --> 00:07:04,080 while the fluff and pods remain in the column. 151 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,947 You can see Meg Carter, 152 00:07:05,947 --> 00:07:09,720 NorthWoods Conservation Science Director, with the setup, 153 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:11,973 in the bottom left hand corner of the slide. 154 00:07:14,790 --> 00:07:17,820 This technique drastically reduces storage space, 155 00:07:17,820 --> 00:07:20,700 makes propagation much easier in nursery practice, 156 00:07:20,700 --> 00:07:22,950 and minimizes wind dispersal of the seeds 157 00:07:22,950 --> 00:07:24,903 in direct seed applications. 158 00:07:31,290 --> 00:07:34,620 To clean seeds from species such as birch, alder, 159 00:07:34,620 --> 00:07:36,791 cedar, tamarack, and fur. 160 00:07:36,791 --> 00:07:39,630 the Intervale Center purchased a Clipper seed cleaner, 161 00:07:39,630 --> 00:07:41,220 in 2023. 162 00:07:41,220 --> 00:07:44,520 The Clipper utilizes two sets of vibrating screens, 163 00:07:44,520 --> 00:07:45,353 and a blower, 164 00:07:45,353 --> 00:07:48,630 to separate the seeds from other plant materials. 165 00:07:48,630 --> 00:07:52,830 In the lower left photo, the top bucket is pre-cleaned seed. 166 00:07:52,830 --> 00:07:54,660 Once it has run through the Clipper, 167 00:07:54,660 --> 00:07:56,730 you are left with the lower left bucket 168 00:07:56,730 --> 00:07:58,350 of mostly clean seed, 169 00:07:58,350 --> 00:07:59,760 and the lower right bucket, 170 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:03,033 With bract, and other seed bearing materials separated. 171 00:08:12,724 --> 00:08:16,350 In 2024, the Intervale Center will host its first crew 172 00:08:16,350 --> 00:08:17,520 in the spring, 173 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,670 expanding our capacity for scouting, and collection efforts, 174 00:08:20,670 --> 00:08:22,950 during the busy spring season. 175 00:08:22,950 --> 00:08:24,690 There are two positions available, 176 00:08:24,690 --> 00:08:26,850 and the job will be posted after the new year, 177 00:08:26,850 --> 00:08:29,523 so stay tuned for more information then. 178 00:08:31,590 --> 00:08:34,470 NorthWoods will host its third long season 179 00:08:34,470 --> 00:08:35,580 Riparian Lands crew, 180 00:08:35,580 --> 00:08:38,430 with Alex and Jake returning as crew members. 181 00:08:38,430 --> 00:08:41,130 With a year of knowledge already under their belts, 182 00:08:41,130 --> 00:08:44,913 they'll continue to boost capacity within the program. 183 00:08:47,010 --> 00:08:48,840 Another direct seed application 184 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:52,080 will be carried out in the spring at the Canaan, Morgan, 185 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:53,850 and Wilcott sites. 186 00:08:53,850 --> 00:08:56,970 In fall 2024, an additional two sites 187 00:08:56,970 --> 00:08:59,613 will be added to the direct seeding trials. 188 00:09:00,630 --> 00:09:02,070 We are building out our network 189 00:09:02,070 --> 00:09:04,221 by connecting with folks from local nurseries, 190 00:09:04,221 --> 00:09:06,148 the Northeast Seed Network, 191 00:09:06,148 --> 00:09:08,209 the Ash Protection Program, 192 00:09:08,209 --> 00:09:12,119 the Ash Protection Collaboration of Cross Wabanonik, 193 00:09:12,119 --> 00:09:15,688 the USDA's National Plant Germ Plasm System, 194 00:09:15,688 --> 00:09:19,413 Canada's National Tree Seed Center, and many more. 195 00:09:21,930 --> 00:09:24,780 As we learn more about seed collection, cleaning, 196 00:09:24,780 --> 00:09:27,960 and storage methods, we are identifying equipment 197 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,960 that we need to be more efficient in our efforts. 198 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:32,880 For example, we are prioritizing 199 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:34,860 a different air column blower 200 00:09:34,860 --> 00:09:36,960 to separate full viable seeds 201 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,390 from underdeveloped, or empty seeds. 202 00:09:39,390 --> 00:09:41,130 This can ensure that we are working 203 00:09:41,130 --> 00:09:43,593 with pure live seeds in our projects. 204 00:09:45,339 --> 00:09:48,330 Most of all, our hope is to collect more seeds, 205 00:09:48,330 --> 00:09:52,173 to expand our ability to help partners across the state. 206 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,020 Shortly after the new year, 207 00:09:55,020 --> 00:09:57,600 partners will come together at a strategic planning meeting, 208 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,210 to discuss future visions and goals. 209 00:10:00,210 --> 00:10:02,674 From this meeting, we'll come up with actionable items 210 00:10:02,674 --> 00:10:05,583 that we can take to meet those goals. 211 00:10:10,595 --> 00:10:11,850 To understand the demand, 212 00:10:11,850 --> 00:10:13,500 and work to support the overall 213 00:10:13,500 --> 00:10:15,212 native plant material supply. 214 00:10:15,212 --> 00:10:19,380 We have developed the Vermont Seed Needs survey. 215 00:10:19,380 --> 00:10:20,451 If you work in a nursery, 216 00:10:20,451 --> 00:10:22,830 or as a restoration practitioner, 217 00:10:22,830 --> 00:10:24,720 please consider filling out the survey 218 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:26,400 at the end of our presentation, 219 00:10:26,400 --> 00:10:29,490 by scanning the respective QR code. 220 00:10:29,490 --> 00:10:30,840 Responses will inform 221 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:33,150 the strategic planning meeting in January, 222 00:10:33,150 --> 00:10:34,543 and help us further our development 223 00:10:34,543 --> 00:10:37,860 towards providing locally sourced native plants 224 00:10:37,860 --> 00:10:40,113 for restoration purposes across the state. 225 00:10:44,910 --> 00:10:46,380 If you have any questions, 226 00:10:46,380 --> 00:10:49,050 or wish to connect over native seed efforts, 227 00:10:49,050 --> 00:10:50,610 please don't hesitate to reach out 228 00:10:50,610 --> 00:10:54,153 to either Brooke or I, via our emails listed below. 229 00:10:59,070 --> 00:11:00,433 Thank you so much for your time. 230 00:11:00,433 --> 00:11:03,270 We'll go ahead and pull up this survey QR codes, 231 00:11:03,270 --> 00:11:04,983 and leave it open for questions. 232 00:11:14,340 --> 00:11:16,223 [Moderator] Great, thank you so much. 233 00:11:19,478 --> 00:11:22,023 We have about five minutes for questions. 234 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:25,793 Yep? 235 00:11:25,793 --> 00:11:27,873 [Participant] I have two short questions: 236 00:11:28,941 --> 00:11:30,900 Can people buy seeds from you? 237 00:11:30,900 --> 00:11:34,770 And are you gonna do herbaceous species in the future? 238 00:11:34,770 --> 00:11:36,720 We are not currently selling seeds 239 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:38,070 to folks at the moment, 240 00:11:38,070 --> 00:11:42,810 just because we don't have any protocols in place 241 00:11:42,810 --> 00:11:44,130 of how to sell seed. 242 00:11:44,130 --> 00:11:47,520 That's definitely something we're working on at the moment, 243 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,640 and it's gonna be a part of our strategic planning meeting. 244 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,340 Hopefully within the next year or two, 245 00:11:53,340 --> 00:11:56,880 we'll be able to start distributing seeds out to people. 246 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,690 But right now it's within our direct projects. 247 00:12:00,690 --> 00:12:03,240 So sorry to say that, at the moment. 248 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:04,983 I wish we could be selling seed. 249 00:12:07,140 --> 00:12:08,850 And we're hoping to be starting 250 00:12:08,850 --> 00:12:11,670 to mix in some herbaceous plants in as well. 251 00:12:11,670 --> 00:12:14,617 I know that the Intervale Conservation Nursery 252 00:12:14,617 --> 00:12:18,240 already wants to start growing some herbaceous plants 253 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:23,240 within our bare root stock that we sell, not as bare root, 254 00:12:23,550 --> 00:12:25,503 but in flats. 255 00:12:26,580 --> 00:12:30,300 So it's going to be mixed in as we build out capacity. 256 00:12:30,300 --> 00:12:31,500 We're really only working 257 00:12:31,500 --> 00:12:34,800 with a handful of people at the moment. 258 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,590 So we'll start expanding our species lists 259 00:12:37,590 --> 00:12:40,623 once we get that build of capacity. 260 00:12:47,004 --> 00:12:48,653 [Momderator] You have a question? 261 00:12:49,551 --> 00:12:51,983 [Second Participant] Do you account for varieties, 262 00:12:52,863 --> 00:12:55,080 or any sort of DNA type of thing? 263 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,730 Yeah, so as a part of our seed map, 264 00:12:59,730 --> 00:13:03,216 everything is tracked from where things were collected. 265 00:13:03,216 --> 00:13:07,650 And so we don't separate individuals in collections, 266 00:13:07,650 --> 00:13:10,050 but we separate populations. 267 00:13:10,050 --> 00:13:14,370 So we'll only leave things separated 268 00:13:14,370 --> 00:13:16,950 if they're from a certain area, 269 00:13:16,950 --> 00:13:20,430 and keep that track throughout, 270 00:13:20,430 --> 00:13:24,303 into our application of those projects. 271 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,160 [Third Participant] Brooke, can you expand on that? 272 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:31,680 Like what, what sort of area are you talking about? 273 00:13:31,680 --> 00:13:34,906 Like how far out are you gonna go, 274 00:13:34,906 --> 00:13:38,013 with the planting site versus the collection site? 275 00:13:40,439 --> 00:13:41,850 Right, yeah, so generally, 276 00:13:41,850 --> 00:13:45,390 if we're collecting from somewhere in the Champlain Valley, 277 00:13:45,390 --> 00:13:50,040 we won't be applying that into a project 278 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:54,992 that's in the very northeast corner of Vermont. 279 00:13:54,992 --> 00:13:58,260 We like to keep things like, 280 00:13:58,260 --> 00:14:03,090 we go by the Northeast Seed Zones. 281 00:14:03,090 --> 00:14:03,923 That was something 282 00:14:03,923 --> 00:14:08,687 that was released by the USDA, I believe, 283 00:14:10,380 --> 00:14:13,260 out of the University of Pennsylvania. 284 00:14:13,260 --> 00:14:16,290 And so there's four quadrants within Vermont 285 00:14:16,290 --> 00:14:17,310 that we stay within. 286 00:14:17,310 --> 00:14:20,220 So if a seed was collected within one quadrant, 287 00:14:20,220 --> 00:14:23,040 it doesn't go outside of that quadrant 288 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,083 for planting projects. 289 00:14:31,306 --> 00:14:33,450 [Fourth Participant] Yeah, I apologize if I missed this, 290 00:14:33,450 --> 00:14:35,610 but I was curious, are these seeds being collected 291 00:14:35,610 --> 00:14:38,190 and then propagated in a nursery for planting, 292 00:14:38,190 --> 00:14:41,070 or are you also using them in like a piece of equipment, 293 00:14:41,070 --> 00:14:43,520 such as like a seed drill or something like that? 294 00:14:44,490 --> 00:14:46,260 Yeah, both. 295 00:14:46,260 --> 00:14:49,470 So since I'm based out of the Intervale Center, 296 00:14:49,470 --> 00:14:51,002 we work really closely 297 00:14:51,002 --> 00:14:53,910 with the conservation nursery there, 298 00:14:53,910 --> 00:14:58,230 and provide all of the seed materials for propagation 299 00:14:58,230 --> 00:15:01,470 that will later be sold for restoration projects. 300 00:15:01,470 --> 00:15:05,910 But we also work directly with Vermont Fish and Wildlife 301 00:15:05,910 --> 00:15:08,250 on direct seeding trials. 302 00:15:08,250 --> 00:15:12,525 So part of that is with hydro seeding, 303 00:15:12,525 --> 00:15:15,900 as well as just hand casting into fields, 304 00:15:15,900 --> 00:15:18,183 onto bare root or bare soil. 305 00:15:20,943 --> 00:15:23,760 I know that the Nature Conservancy was using a seed drill 306 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:27,753 at one point, but we currently don't have that in practice, 307 00:15:30,127 --> 00:15:32,520 [Fifth Participant] I was gonna ask, 308 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,910 if you are moving soil during this whole process, 309 00:15:35,910 --> 00:15:37,620 and forgive me, I got here a little bit late, 310 00:15:37,620 --> 00:15:38,770 so I maybe missed this, 311 00:15:39,721 --> 00:15:40,633 but do you take any precautions 312 00:15:40,633 --> 00:15:44,130 moving something like jumping worms 313 00:15:44,130 --> 00:15:47,100 when you're moving plant material 314 00:15:47,100 --> 00:15:48,083 from one place to another? 315 00:15:49,950 --> 00:15:52,020 Yeah, that's a good question. 316 00:15:52,020 --> 00:15:56,880 I don't know if Pete is in the crowd at the moment. 317 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,332 Maybe he could answer that question? 318 00:16:00,332 --> 00:16:02,915 [Pete] We collect seeds only. 319 00:16:04,238 --> 00:16:05,071 [Fifth Participant] Okay. 320 00:16:05,071 --> 00:16:07,500 [Pete] So when we're there in this field, 321 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:12,146 they're not collecting plants, just the seeds. 322 00:16:12,146 --> 00:16:14,850 [Participant] And then they're being propagated somewhere 323 00:16:14,850 --> 00:16:17,568 and then planted back out into the sites? 324 00:16:17,568 --> 00:16:18,487 [Pete] Yes. 325 00:16:18,487 --> 00:16:19,320 [Fifth Participant] Okay. 326 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:20,583 And and that all bare root? 327 00:16:20,583 --> 00:16:23,450 [Pete] Mostly of these are direct seed. 328 00:16:23,450 --> 00:16:24,283 [Fifth Participant] Okay. 329 00:16:24,283 --> 00:16:25,410 [Pete] So we're caging in seed 330 00:16:25,410 --> 00:16:27,242 to put them right on the ground. 331 00:16:27,242 --> 00:16:28,200 [Fifth Participant] All right, gotcha. 332 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:31,830 [Pete] But they also bring them to two nurseries, 333 00:16:31,830 --> 00:16:36,210 one at the Intervale, and the other one at at six NRCD. 334 00:16:38,370 --> 00:16:41,282 And so those sites also get seeds 335 00:16:41,282 --> 00:16:43,680 and they're planted. 336 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,499 So they might be bare root, mostly. 337 00:16:47,499 --> 00:16:50,249 [Fifth Participant] All right.