1 00:00:03,990 --> 00:00:06,630 [Steve] So this project is a collaborative project 2 00:00:06,630 --> 00:00:10,140 between the Vermont Center for Eco Studies, Audubon Vermont, 3 00:00:10,140 --> 00:00:13,020 and the Rubenstein School here at UVM. 4 00:00:13,020 --> 00:00:15,870 And I'm gonna be presenting on two years of data, 5 00:00:15,870 --> 00:00:19,230 looking at sort of the bird community response 6 00:00:19,230 --> 00:00:21,480 to structure and composition 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:24,750 of the vegetation in sugarbushes, 8 00:00:24,750 --> 00:00:27,750 active sugarbushes in Vermont, 9 00:00:27,750 --> 00:00:31,440 which is a fairly small part of the broader project 10 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,023 being carried out by the UVM team. 11 00:00:36,270 --> 00:00:37,710 So I think we can all agree 12 00:00:37,710 --> 00:00:40,740 that the best-tasting maple syrup 13 00:00:40,740 --> 00:00:42,418 is made right here in Vermont, 14 00:00:42,418 --> 00:00:43,251 (audience member cheering) 15 00:00:43,251 --> 00:00:46,713 and Vermont sugarmakers also make the most. 16 00:00:48,060 --> 00:00:49,110 And in addition, 17 00:00:49,110 --> 00:00:54,110 the sugarmaking has really experienced a rapid growth, 18 00:00:54,810 --> 00:00:57,570 both in terms of number of taps deployed 19 00:00:57,570 --> 00:00:59,580 and the gallons produced, 20 00:00:59,580 --> 00:01:01,380 yet relatively little is known 21 00:01:01,380 --> 00:01:05,880 about how sugarbush management and practices 22 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:10,880 affect biodiversity and ecosystem services, 23 00:01:12,810 --> 00:01:16,440 as well as the resilience of the sugarbush 24 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:18,573 to ecological stressors. 25 00:01:21,900 --> 00:01:23,100 And what happened there? 26 00:01:24,810 --> 00:01:25,643 Okay. 27 00:01:29,340 --> 00:01:31,260 Traditional sugarbush management 28 00:01:31,260 --> 00:01:35,850 occasionally or sometimes involves understory removal, 29 00:01:35,850 --> 00:01:40,230 which eliminates forest regeneration 30 00:01:40,230 --> 00:01:44,880 and often results in a closed canopy monoculture 31 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,363 of sugar maple with very little structural diversity, 32 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:52,860 which can have a variety of implications for biodiversity, 33 00:01:52,860 --> 00:01:57,720 ranging from declines in understory species richness, 34 00:01:57,720 --> 00:02:00,600 as well as presumably reduced abundance and diversity 35 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,130 of forest birds 36 00:02:02,130 --> 00:02:06,423 as well as their primary prey, the arthropods. 37 00:02:07,860 --> 00:02:10,110 So to address this issue, 38 00:02:10,110 --> 00:02:14,283 Audubon Vermont initiated the Bird-Friendly Maple Project, 39 00:02:16,050 --> 00:02:19,620 which recommends forest management techniques 40 00:02:19,620 --> 00:02:23,580 that would strive to improve forest habitat value 41 00:02:23,580 --> 00:02:26,220 as well as the diversity of native plants 42 00:02:26,220 --> 00:02:30,030 and long-term productivity of the forest. 43 00:02:30,030 --> 00:02:33,580 And specifically, Audubon's recommendations 44 00:02:34,530 --> 00:02:37,290 manage for the diversity of tree species 45 00:02:37,290 --> 00:02:41,130 with no more than 75% sugar maple, 46 00:02:41,130 --> 00:02:42,990 structural diversity of the forest, 47 00:02:42,990 --> 00:02:46,380 so there's a range of age classes and retention 48 00:02:46,380 --> 00:02:48,900 of snags and cavity trees, 49 00:02:48,900 --> 00:02:51,993 as well as of coarse woody material on the forest floor. 50 00:02:54,090 --> 00:02:57,810 And in exchange, cooperating sugarmakers 51 00:02:57,810 --> 00:03:00,550 who participate and follow Audubon's guidelines 52 00:03:02,610 --> 00:03:06,220 and market their product with signage and labels 53 00:03:08,203 --> 00:03:10,390 stating that they're bird-friendly 54 00:03:11,352 --> 00:03:13,410 allows them to sort of stand out 55 00:03:13,410 --> 00:03:15,723 in a pretty crowded marketplace. 56 00:03:19,077 --> 00:03:21,810 And with the sort of the popularity 57 00:03:21,810 --> 00:03:23,430 of the Bird-Friendly Maple Program 58 00:03:23,430 --> 00:03:25,953 expanding into other states, 59 00:03:26,924 --> 00:03:29,430 Steve Hagenbuch was interested in 60 00:03:29,430 --> 00:03:31,140 some sort of empirical data 61 00:03:31,140 --> 00:03:35,370 to look at whether the guidelines that he's recommending 62 00:03:35,370 --> 00:03:39,360 really provide better habitat for birds. 63 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:41,760 And so in some discussions that we had, 64 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:44,613 this project was the result of that. 65 00:03:46,740 --> 00:03:50,130 So some of our main project objectives 66 00:03:50,130 --> 00:03:54,120 were first to quantify the forest breeding bird community 67 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:57,060 across the gradient of sugarbush production 68 00:03:57,060 --> 00:03:59,400 and management intensities, 69 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,640 and look at how the differences in vegetation structure 70 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:06,570 and arthropod biomass influence breeding bird communities, 71 00:04:06,570 --> 00:04:08,850 and finally use those results 72 00:04:08,850 --> 00:04:12,720 to update Audubon's Bird-Friendly Maple guidelines 73 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,160 and provide some management policies 74 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:18,270 that would be relevant 75 00:04:18,270 --> 00:04:21,723 across the entire Northern Forest region. 76 00:04:23,730 --> 00:04:28,730 So in 2020 and 2021, we studied 14 different sugarbushes 77 00:04:29,580 --> 00:04:33,270 across the northern part of Vermont, seven in each year, 78 00:04:33,270 --> 00:04:37,383 and they ranged in size from just 37 acres to 1,400 acres. 79 00:04:38,370 --> 00:04:40,260 Nine of those were enrolled 80 00:04:40,260 --> 00:04:43,770 in Audubon's Bird-Friendly Maple Project. 81 00:04:43,770 --> 00:04:46,500 And just being enrolled in the project 82 00:04:46,500 --> 00:04:48,870 doesn't mean that the conditions on the ground 83 00:04:48,870 --> 00:04:52,440 meet the Bird-Friendly Maple guidelines, 84 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:55,950 just means they have a forest management plan in place 85 00:04:55,950 --> 00:04:59,343 that will over time result in those conditions. 86 00:05:02,700 --> 00:05:07,143 So we established survey points on a 200-meter grid, 87 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:13,050 which resulted in 353 survey points. 88 00:05:13,050 --> 00:05:18,050 161 of those were surveyed in 2020, 192 two in 2021. 89 00:05:21,090 --> 00:05:25,503 So our bird surveys, we just did fixed radius point counts, 90 00:05:26,978 --> 00:05:30,360 one visit at each point, 91 00:05:30,360 --> 00:05:31,950 and during that one visit, 92 00:05:31,950 --> 00:05:34,740 we did three independent four-minute point counts 93 00:05:34,740 --> 00:05:37,500 for a total of 12 minutes at each point. 94 00:05:37,500 --> 00:05:41,160 And again, those three four-minute counts were independent. 95 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:44,340 So you did one four-minute count followed by another one, 96 00:05:44,340 --> 00:05:47,253 and then a a third, all independent. 97 00:05:49,620 --> 00:05:51,870 We also assessed arthropod biomass 98 00:05:51,870 --> 00:05:54,870 at just over a thousand surveyed plots. 99 00:05:54,870 --> 00:05:57,120 At each of those 353 plots, 100 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,970 we had three subplots surrounding those 101 00:05:59,970 --> 00:06:02,430 where we did our arthropod surveys. 102 00:06:02,430 --> 00:06:07,430 We had two different techniques for surveying arthropods. 103 00:06:07,590 --> 00:06:08,970 For litter-dwelling arthropods, 104 00:06:08,970 --> 00:06:11,520 we used these small cardboard cover boards 105 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,470 that were placed on the ground, 106 00:06:13,470 --> 00:06:15,180 visited twice a year, 107 00:06:15,180 --> 00:06:20,180 and any organisms found on top or below were measured 108 00:06:20,430 --> 00:06:23,250 and placed into taxonomic groups. 109 00:06:23,250 --> 00:06:25,980 And then for foliage-dwelling arthropods, 110 00:06:25,980 --> 00:06:27,960 we used a cordless shop vac 111 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,489 and literally cleaned the forest, 112 00:06:30,489 --> 00:06:33,150 (audience laughing) 113 00:06:33,150 --> 00:06:35,310 vacuumed the vegetation as high as we could reach, 114 00:06:35,310 --> 00:06:37,623 which was maybe seven or eight feet, 115 00:06:39,420 --> 00:06:41,820 so really just the understory. 116 00:06:41,820 --> 00:06:45,960 And those samples were frozen and then analyzed in the lab, 117 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,570 sorted and analyzed and measured, 118 00:06:48,570 --> 00:06:50,850 placed in the taxonomic groups, 119 00:06:50,850 --> 00:06:54,723 and then biomass was estimated using parametric equations. 120 00:06:57,630 --> 00:07:00,180 We did highly detailed vegetation surveys 121 00:07:00,180 --> 00:07:02,520 at just over 1,400 plots. 122 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,560 We had a really detailed protocol 123 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,560 that Tony provided at the 353 center plots, 124 00:07:12,060 --> 00:07:14,970 and then we had a more rapid assessment protocol 125 00:07:14,970 --> 00:07:18,723 at the three surrounding subplots at each point. 126 00:07:22,110 --> 00:07:25,170 Our analytical modeling, we used community models 127 00:07:25,170 --> 00:07:28,350 to look at both occupancy, abundance, 128 00:07:28,350 --> 00:07:31,770 as well as detection probabilities of the bird community, 129 00:07:31,770 --> 00:07:35,910 and then we related those to the 17 covariates 130 00:07:35,910 --> 00:07:38,160 on the right here, 131 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,650 which I've sort of broken up into five major groupings, 132 00:07:40,650 --> 00:07:43,980 ground cover, canopy cover, understory diversity, 133 00:07:43,980 --> 00:07:46,053 deadwood, and arthropods. 134 00:07:50,040 --> 00:07:51,690 And then some of our results. 135 00:07:51,690 --> 00:07:55,290 I really don't have time to go into all of our results. 136 00:07:55,290 --> 00:07:56,840 I'm just gonna highlight a few. 137 00:07:58,290 --> 00:08:00,120 At our point count surveys, 138 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:05,120 we had 10,332 observations of 72 species. 139 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:09,690 The vertical axis is the proportion of points 140 00:08:09,690 --> 00:08:13,350 with at least one detection of one of those species, 141 00:08:13,350 --> 00:08:14,730 one of those 72 species 142 00:08:14,730 --> 00:08:17,580 which are listed on the horizontal axis. 143 00:08:17,580 --> 00:08:18,753 So for example, 144 00:08:19,727 --> 00:08:24,727 we had 57 species detected at less than 20% of our sites. 145 00:08:24,900 --> 00:08:27,330 Or another way to look at it would be 146 00:08:27,330 --> 00:08:31,323 we had 15 species detected at more than 20% of our sites. 147 00:08:34,214 --> 00:08:38,487 By far, the two most common species, not unusually, 148 00:08:40,830 --> 00:08:43,020 are were ovenbird and red-eyed vireo, 149 00:08:43,020 --> 00:08:47,013 which were detected at 95% of our study plots, 150 00:08:47,850 --> 00:08:51,147 followed by black-throated blue warbler at about 75%, 151 00:08:51,147 --> 00:08:55,413 and black-throated green warbler at about 65% of our points. 152 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:02,040 We also detected six species of greatest conservation need 153 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,340 as listed in the Vermont Wildlife Action Plan. 154 00:09:07,140 --> 00:09:11,580 So some of the community results for the occupancy, 155 00:09:11,580 --> 00:09:15,000 the proportion, the probability of occupancy 156 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:16,410 for the bird community 157 00:09:16,410 --> 00:09:20,160 increased as these three covariates increased, 158 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,560 the volume of coarse woody material, 159 00:09:22,560 --> 00:09:26,070 the percent cover of the herbaceous plants, 160 00:09:26,070 --> 00:09:28,203 and the litter depth, surprisingly. 161 00:09:29,460 --> 00:09:33,120 And in the community N-mixture model, 162 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:37,220 similarly, these three covariates, 163 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,190 the percent cover of the high canopy, 164 00:09:41,190 --> 00:09:44,040 and then again, herbaceous cover and litter depth 165 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,793 were significant positive relationships. 166 00:09:48,990 --> 00:09:52,590 We also looked at just responsive individual species, 167 00:09:52,590 --> 00:09:53,850 and these four species, 168 00:09:53,850 --> 00:09:56,670 veery, black-throated blue warbler, mourning warbler, 169 00:09:56,670 --> 00:09:58,530 and chestnut-sided warbler 170 00:09:58,530 --> 00:09:59,940 had a significant response 171 00:09:59,940 --> 00:10:03,690 to the richness of the small saplings 172 00:10:03,690 --> 00:10:07,593 in both occupancy and the abundance model. 173 00:10:09,360 --> 00:10:12,030 And then black-throated blue warbler and mourning warbler 174 00:10:12,030 --> 00:10:15,750 also had a significant response to the percent cover 175 00:10:15,750 --> 00:10:18,450 of the mid-story layer in both models. 176 00:10:18,450 --> 00:10:22,440 So suggesting that not only is the mid-story cover 177 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:23,670 important for these species, 178 00:10:23,670 --> 00:10:26,793 but the richness of that cover is also important. 179 00:10:29,280 --> 00:10:33,900 And then in the occupancy, the probability of occupancy 180 00:10:33,900 --> 00:10:36,240 for black-throated green warbler 181 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:40,440 and the abundance of chestnut-sided warbler both increased 182 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:43,653 as the cover of the mid-story layer increased. 183 00:10:45,690 --> 00:10:49,710 So a few of the take-homes from these results. 184 00:10:49,710 --> 00:10:51,630 We had four habitat covariates 185 00:10:51,630 --> 00:10:56,220 that were important to the overall bird community, 186 00:10:56,220 --> 00:10:59,340 the herbaceous cover, litter depth, coarse woody material, 187 00:10:59,340 --> 00:11:00,813 and high canopy cover. 188 00:11:01,680 --> 00:11:04,170 And at this point, only coarse woody material 189 00:11:04,170 --> 00:11:08,403 is being addressed by the Bird-Friendly Maple guidelines. 190 00:11:10,530 --> 00:11:12,420 And then we just came up 191 00:11:12,420 --> 00:11:15,210 with some sort of straightforward management recommendations 192 00:11:15,210 --> 00:11:20,210 to address these four different covariates 193 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:22,563 that can be implemented. 194 00:11:25,202 --> 00:11:28,200 In addition to providing habitat 195 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:30,243 for forest interior species, 196 00:11:31,204 --> 00:11:35,040 sugarbush management can also provide habitat 197 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:36,540 for early successional species, 198 00:11:36,540 --> 00:11:40,170 particularly mourning warbler and chestnut-sided, 199 00:11:40,170 --> 00:11:43,320 and as well as some forest species 200 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,210 that prefer a well-developed shrub layer, 201 00:11:45,210 --> 00:11:47,913 like veery and black-throated blue warbler. 202 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:51,873 And again, we came up with some management recommendations. 203 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,110 Creating small canopy gaps 204 00:11:55,110 --> 00:12:00,090 that will provide that habitat for these species 205 00:12:00,090 --> 00:12:02,703 while retaining interior species. 206 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:07,983 Some of the future directions, 207 00:12:09,210 --> 00:12:14,210 the UVM team, particularly Liza Morse, the PhD candidate 208 00:12:15,060 --> 00:12:18,870 who will be looking at the bird community 209 00:12:18,870 --> 00:12:21,120 and building on the work that that we've done 210 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:21,953 these two years. 211 00:12:21,953 --> 00:12:26,100 She'll be adding additional years of data collection 212 00:12:26,100 --> 00:12:30,090 as well as looking at the impacts of ecosystem services, 213 00:12:30,090 --> 00:12:33,300 particularly carbon storage and sequestration 214 00:12:33,300 --> 00:12:35,910 and the resilience of the forest 215 00:12:35,910 --> 00:12:38,193 to disturbance under climate change. 216 00:12:39,330 --> 00:12:42,330 And then another PhD candidate, Daniel Pratson, 217 00:12:42,330 --> 00:12:44,100 will be looking at the human dimension side 218 00:12:44,100 --> 00:12:45,633 of maple sugar production, 219 00:12:46,830 --> 00:12:48,840 specifically sort of asking the question 220 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:51,300 whether incentivizing forest management 221 00:12:51,300 --> 00:12:54,450 for a variety of ecosystem services 222 00:12:54,450 --> 00:12:58,203 aligns with sugarbush landowner values. 223 00:13:00,900 --> 00:13:03,210 And then Steve Hagenbuch at Audubon Vermont 224 00:13:03,210 --> 00:13:07,200 is planning to update some of their guidelines 225 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:10,740 for the Bird-Friendly Maple programs 226 00:13:10,740 --> 00:13:13,830 specifically to address some of our results 227 00:13:13,830 --> 00:13:15,690 in promoting both understory 228 00:13:15,690 --> 00:13:19,830 and the mid-story layer diversity of that vegetation, 229 00:13:19,830 --> 00:13:22,530 and also developing some best management practices 230 00:13:22,530 --> 00:13:26,370 to try to reduce the introduction of earthworms, 231 00:13:26,370 --> 00:13:28,773 which can deplete the leaf litter layer. 232 00:13:31,500 --> 00:13:33,300 And a few acknowledgements, 233 00:13:33,300 --> 00:13:35,730 particularly to our participating sugarmakers 234 00:13:35,730 --> 00:13:38,253 who provided us access to their lands, 235 00:13:39,180 --> 00:13:43,110 as well as our small army of field staff and volunteers 236 00:13:43,110 --> 00:13:44,763 who collected all the data, 237 00:13:45,750 --> 00:13:47,610 and our funders. 238 00:13:47,610 --> 00:13:50,733 So I have time, I can take a few questions. 239 00:14:01,775 --> 00:14:02,640 [Audience Member 1] Do you have a guess for why 240 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:04,833 that leaf flitter is so important? 241 00:14:09,300 --> 00:14:10,500 [Steve] Yeah, I don't. 242 00:14:13,050 --> 00:14:15,810 I mean, it would certainly make sense for ovenbird 243 00:14:15,810 --> 00:14:18,753 and other ground-foraging species, thrushes, 244 00:14:20,295 --> 00:14:23,040 but that didn't seem to be the case 245 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:24,360 when we looked at individuals. 246 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,160 For some it did, but not all of them, 247 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,833 so I don't really have a good answer for that. 248 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:32,220 Daniel. 249 00:14:32,220 --> 00:14:34,110 [Daniel] Curious if you were able to, 250 00:14:34,110 --> 00:14:36,180 like if some of the mid-story and understory, 251 00:14:36,180 --> 00:14:37,140 if you're able to parse out 252 00:14:37,140 --> 00:14:39,420 whether it was non-native or invasive, 253 00:14:39,420 --> 00:14:44,250 like if the presence of mid-story understory is important, 254 00:14:44,250 --> 00:14:46,620 is there a difference between the non-native versus 255 00:14:46,620 --> 00:14:48,240 like that, right? 256 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,240 [Steve] We didn't have much non-native 257 00:14:52,170 --> 00:14:53,968 really in these sugarbushes. 258 00:14:53,968 --> 00:14:56,927 Yeah, I don't remember any. 259 00:14:56,927 --> 00:15:00,242 Liza, do you remember any you have any invasive? 260 00:15:00,242 --> 00:15:03,659 (Liza speaking quietly) 261 00:15:08,291 --> 00:15:09,658 [Steve] Yeah. 262 00:15:09,658 --> 00:15:11,037 Yeah, Kate. 263 00:15:11,037 --> 00:15:12,570 [Kate] I just had a question 264 00:15:12,570 --> 00:15:14,460 regarding sort of the long-term plan. 265 00:15:14,460 --> 00:15:17,640 Like since it seems like just sort of a snapshot 266 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,220 of the various sugarbushes now, 267 00:15:20,220 --> 00:15:22,680 is there any plan to revisit this, say, in 20 years, 268 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,330 if they're still maple certified 269 00:15:26,269 --> 00:15:28,920 to look at the change from current 270 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,290 to what it looks like in 20 years 271 00:15:31,290 --> 00:15:34,170 and how birds might have changed over that time? 272 00:15:34,170 --> 00:15:36,180 [Steve] Well, I won't be revisiting it. 273 00:15:36,180 --> 00:15:38,460 (audience laughing) 274 00:15:38,460 --> 00:15:40,570 [Liza] Someone can pay me to. 275 00:15:40,570 --> 00:15:42,570 (audience speaking quietly) 276 00:15:42,570 --> 00:15:44,460 [Steve] Yeah, but it's a good question, 277 00:15:44,460 --> 00:15:47,280 and hopefully someone will. 278 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:48,120 [Kate] And I just had a thought 279 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:49,110 about the leaf litter thing. 280 00:15:49,110 --> 00:15:51,690 I don't know if that would impact the arthropods, 281 00:15:51,690 --> 00:15:54,360 which then impact the birds potentially? 282 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:56,340 [Steve] Yeah, well, I will mention 283 00:15:56,340 --> 00:15:58,470 that the leaf litter arthropods 284 00:15:58,470 --> 00:16:00,960 were not included in the model 285 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,330 because after we did the modeling, 286 00:16:03,330 --> 00:16:04,650 we realized there was a problem 287 00:16:04,650 --> 00:16:07,860 with one elementary equation that was incorrect. 288 00:16:07,860 --> 00:16:11,430 So we didn't include that, so that would, 289 00:16:11,430 --> 00:16:13,380 yeah, when Liza's done. 290 00:16:13,380 --> 00:16:15,300 Come back next year. 291 00:16:15,300 --> 00:16:16,900 Liza will have that information. 292 00:16:19,350 --> 00:16:20,417 Yeah. 293 00:16:20,417 --> 00:16:21,540 [Audience Member 2] So for your desired condition 294 00:16:21,540 --> 00:16:25,170 for the certification, it was not more than 75% sugar maple 295 00:16:25,170 --> 00:16:26,310 and then one of the take-homes 296 00:16:26,310 --> 00:16:29,876 was related to downwood material? 297 00:16:29,876 --> 00:16:32,700 Do you see whether that's best 298 00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:35,130 if it's sort of equally dispersed throughout the plot, 299 00:16:35,130 --> 00:16:36,990 or is it best in clusters? 300 00:16:36,990 --> 00:16:38,220 You know, if you were trying to target 301 00:16:38,220 --> 00:16:39,053 those sorts of things, 302 00:16:39,053 --> 00:16:40,080 would you wanna make little islands 303 00:16:40,080 --> 00:16:41,490 or just make sure it's available 304 00:16:41,490 --> 00:16:43,023 throughout the entire parcel? 305 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:46,740 [Steve] Yeah, I don't have 306 00:16:46,740 --> 00:16:48,210 a good recommendation for that. 307 00:16:48,210 --> 00:16:51,120 I don't know if it matters whether it's clustered 308 00:16:51,120 --> 00:16:53,403 or dispersed throughout, yeah. 309 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:58,500 And yeah, even though only nine of these sites 310 00:16:58,500 --> 00:17:02,640 were participating in the Bird-Friendly Maple Program, 311 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:07,640 all of our sites had less than 75% sugar maple 312 00:17:09,420 --> 00:17:10,253 as an average, 313 00:17:11,660 --> 00:17:13,173 as a mean for the sites. 314 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:17,633 Great. 315 00:17:17,633 --> 00:17:18,570 Additional questions? 316 00:17:19,770 --> 00:17:20,603 Alright. 317 00:17:20,603 --> 00:17:21,436 Alright, well, Dan. 318 00:17:21,436 --> 00:17:22,440 Alright. 319 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:26,070 [Dan] I'm curious about herbaceous variable 320 00:17:26,070 --> 00:17:29,850 and the mid and overstory canopy cover. 321 00:17:29,850 --> 00:17:32,310 So I'm not quite sure if it's a positive or negative 322 00:17:32,310 --> 00:17:34,650 relationship to the birds, 323 00:17:34,650 --> 00:17:37,890 but you know, I would think with increasing canopy cover, 324 00:17:37,890 --> 00:17:42,120 you have less light that might reduce the herbaceous layer. 325 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:44,550 So is, I mean, can you... 326 00:17:44,550 --> 00:17:48,600 [Steve] Yeah, presumably the herbaceous layer 327 00:17:49,590 --> 00:17:52,100 was coming into some of those small canopy gaps 328 00:17:52,100 --> 00:17:57,100 where those early successional species were responding to. 329 00:17:59,476 --> 00:18:04,170 But yeah, it's a kind of a dichotomy to have, 330 00:18:04,170 --> 00:18:06,873 closed canopy and herbaceous layer being important. 331 00:18:09,750 --> 00:18:10,583 Great. 332 00:18:10,583 --> 00:18:12,210 I don't want to keep everybody from the break, 333 00:18:12,210 --> 00:18:13,323 but thank you, Steve.