1 00:00:04,830 --> 00:00:06,360 Okay, welcome. 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,630 If you are here for this talk, I'm glad. 3 00:00:09,630 --> 00:00:12,060 If you're not here for this talk, stick around. 4 00:00:12,060 --> 00:00:13,160 I mean, what the heck? 5 00:00:14,463 --> 00:00:18,120 So I wanna know if I am, yep. 6 00:00:19,980 --> 00:00:21,240 Okay, great. 7 00:00:21,240 --> 00:00:24,480 So I'm gonna talk about a report 8 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:25,980 that came out earlier this year 9 00:00:25,980 --> 00:00:28,620 called "Wildlands in New England," 10 00:00:28,620 --> 00:00:31,620 supported under the umbrella 11 00:00:31,620 --> 00:00:33,990 of Wildlands, Woodlands, Farmlands, and Communities, 12 00:00:33,990 --> 00:00:37,980 a New England-wide consortium of organizations 13 00:00:37,980 --> 00:00:42,720 and institutions that has been working on this topic 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:45,243 for almost 20 years now. 15 00:00:46,530 --> 00:00:49,650 Also involved is Harvard Forest, Northeast Wilderness Trust, 16 00:00:49,650 --> 00:00:52,110 and the Highstead Foundation. 17 00:00:52,110 --> 00:00:54,960 Here's all the partners that are involved. 18 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,060 And just gonna start briefly 19 00:00:57,060 --> 00:00:59,340 by saying why we need Wildlands. 20 00:00:59,340 --> 00:01:01,770 And I'll tell you in a minute what our definition is, 21 00:01:01,770 --> 00:01:06,060 but Wildlands have intrinsic value. 22 00:01:06,060 --> 00:01:10,080 The dominant condition on the New England landscape 23 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,700 prior to 400 plus years ago was wildland. 24 00:01:14,700 --> 00:01:17,463 And so they are the natural condition 25 00:01:19,740 --> 00:01:22,830 on the landscape and have intrinsic value. 26 00:01:22,830 --> 00:01:27,240 They support biodiversity, as we heard about earlier today, 27 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,570 provide immense benefits for carbon storage, 28 00:01:30,570 --> 00:01:32,280 as we heard about earlier today, 29 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,000 in plenary talk by Heather Furman, 30 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,640 provide ecological resiliency, 31 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:43,640 places for quiet reflection, and indeed, human health, 32 00:01:44,730 --> 00:01:47,670 provide baselines for ecological research, 33 00:01:47,670 --> 00:01:50,340 and contribute to our global, regional, 34 00:01:50,340 --> 00:01:53,430 and statewide conservation goals. 35 00:01:53,430 --> 00:01:57,900 So this study started with early conversations, as I said, 36 00:01:57,900 --> 00:02:02,490 in 2005, a group that was working in Massachusetts 37 00:02:02,490 --> 00:02:07,193 to identify, to characterize Wildlands and woodlands, 38 00:02:09,150 --> 00:02:13,770 which means managed lands in the Massachusetts landscape. 39 00:02:13,770 --> 00:02:17,910 This was later expanded to include all of New England. 40 00:02:17,910 --> 00:02:22,910 With increasing pressure of climate change, 41 00:02:23,190 --> 00:02:26,670 biodiversity loss, and challenges to human health, 42 00:02:26,670 --> 00:02:29,100 the urgency was really brought forward, 43 00:02:29,100 --> 00:02:34,100 and we decided to do a study on where the Wildlands are, 44 00:02:35,790 --> 00:02:38,853 where the Wildlands in particular are in New England. 45 00:02:39,689 --> 00:02:42,000 And as we heard, again as we heard this morning 46 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:43,890 so eloquently, 47 00:02:43,890 --> 00:02:46,890 New England is part of the Appalachian region, 48 00:02:46,890 --> 00:02:50,770 and as such is sort of uniquely positioned 49 00:02:51,769 --> 00:02:53,969 to help in some of these biodiversity, 50 00:02:53,969 --> 00:02:57,930 in the biodiversity crisis, 51 00:02:57,930 --> 00:03:02,463 the climate change crisis, and in storing carbon. 52 00:03:03,540 --> 00:03:04,830 These are some of the authors, 53 00:03:04,830 --> 00:03:06,270 I'm not gonna list them all. 54 00:03:06,270 --> 00:03:08,430 You can check this out later. 55 00:03:08,430 --> 00:03:09,883 But our definition of Wildlands, 56 00:03:09,883 --> 00:03:14,077 "Wildlands are tracts of any size and current condition, 57 00:03:14,077 --> 00:03:16,447 "permanently protected from development 58 00:03:16,447 --> 00:03:18,847 "in which management is explicitly intended 59 00:03:18,847 --> 00:03:22,777 "to allow natural processes to prevail with free will 60 00:03:22,777 --> 00:03:25,230 "and minimal human interference." 61 00:03:25,230 --> 00:03:26,520 So this is important. 62 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,980 They are tracts of land, any size. 63 00:03:28,980 --> 00:03:31,140 Size is not a criterion, 64 00:03:31,140 --> 00:03:32,730 and any current condition. 65 00:03:32,730 --> 00:03:33,930 They could have been, 66 00:03:33,930 --> 00:03:38,640 they might be very compromised ecologically now, 67 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,530 but as long as they're permanently protected 68 00:03:40,530 --> 00:03:45,530 from development, and management is explicitly intended 69 00:03:45,570 --> 00:03:48,330 to allow natural processes to prevail, 70 00:03:48,330 --> 00:03:50,100 we call them, in this study, 71 00:03:50,100 --> 00:03:53,313 for the purposes of this study, we call them Wildlands. 72 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:56,640 The criteria that we used 73 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:00,930 to evaluate whether a property qualifies as a wildland 74 00:04:00,930 --> 00:04:02,463 were three. 75 00:04:02,463 --> 00:04:04,740 Wildland intent. 76 00:04:04,740 --> 00:04:08,760 So there is intent stated in a legal document 77 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:11,670 or an agreement or a management plan 78 00:04:11,670 --> 00:04:15,390 that really intends for natural ecological processes 79 00:04:15,390 --> 00:04:17,580 to prevail over time. 80 00:04:17,580 --> 00:04:19,170 And then the second one is 81 00:04:19,170 --> 00:04:21,720 is this actually happening on the ground? 82 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:26,340 Is management happening for an untrammeled condition? 83 00:04:26,340 --> 00:04:31,340 Untrammeled meaning without the interference of humans 84 00:04:32,940 --> 00:04:36,210 or without management by humans. 85 00:04:36,210 --> 00:04:39,600 Doesn't mean humans don't go there. 86 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:43,410 It means that nature manages. 87 00:04:43,410 --> 00:04:46,113 And then the third thing is permanent protection. 88 00:04:47,130 --> 00:04:49,380 Permanent legal protection. 89 00:04:49,380 --> 00:04:51,540 And I will say that permanent, 90 00:04:51,540 --> 00:04:54,330 the word permanent is really a relative term. 91 00:04:54,330 --> 00:04:57,450 There's no such thing as permanent, as we all know, 92 00:04:57,450 --> 00:05:00,000 if we think in geological time, 93 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,800 and also in human history time, 94 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:05,130 permanency is an elusive concept. 95 00:05:05,130 --> 00:05:08,493 But we're talking about long-term legal protection. 96 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,030 So the methodology for this study, 97 00:05:12,030 --> 00:05:13,560 we first developed a scope, 98 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:16,080 what is a wildland, which I just said. 99 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:17,490 We did some outreach. 100 00:05:17,490 --> 00:05:21,630 Outreach to public agencies and conservation organizations 101 00:05:21,630 --> 00:05:24,447 throughout the region to do this inventory, 102 00:05:24,447 --> 00:05:26,640 and we did a systematic review. 103 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:27,720 And I am telling you, 104 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:30,900 we looked at every single conservation easement, 105 00:05:30,900 --> 00:05:34,440 every document, every legal agreement, 106 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:35,640 really perused them. 107 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,890 And when I say we, I don't mean me. 108 00:05:37,890 --> 00:05:39,690 I mean people at the Harvard Forest, 109 00:05:39,690 --> 00:05:41,610 people involved in this research. 110 00:05:41,610 --> 00:05:44,670 There's a long list of people who are involved 111 00:05:44,670 --> 00:05:47,520 to evaluate whether they've met these criteria 112 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:52,520 and then analyzed the data and produced some outcomes. 113 00:05:53,790 --> 00:05:57,570 So we think that this is the first study 114 00:05:57,570 --> 00:05:59,820 in the United States to map and characterize 115 00:05:59,820 --> 00:06:03,120 all permanently conserved lands in one region 116 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:05,493 that are managed to be forever wild. 117 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,240 And so here's what we found out. 118 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,900 What we found out, well, here's the four questions 119 00:06:12,900 --> 00:06:15,870 that we posed and answered. 120 00:06:15,870 --> 00:06:18,450 How much wildland, as we define it, 121 00:06:18,450 --> 00:06:21,420 currently exists in New England? 122 00:06:21,420 --> 00:06:25,470 Where are the Wildlands located in New England? 123 00:06:25,470 --> 00:06:28,500 What are the characteristics of these Wildlands? 124 00:06:28,500 --> 00:06:30,030 What are they like? 125 00:06:30,030 --> 00:06:32,700 And how well are they currently protected? 126 00:06:32,700 --> 00:06:35,550 What is their protection status? 127 00:06:35,550 --> 00:06:38,130 So the punchline is basically this, 128 00:06:38,130 --> 00:06:41,940 81% of the New England landscape is forested. 129 00:06:41,940 --> 00:06:44,550 That's not news to you probably, 130 00:06:44,550 --> 00:06:49,320 but 3.3% of that is classified in our study 131 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,500 as qualifying as Wildlands. 132 00:06:52,500 --> 00:06:57,093 So 3.3% of the landscape is Wildlands. 133 00:06:58,170 --> 00:07:02,340 And so those are shown in the dark on this, 134 00:07:02,340 --> 00:07:04,290 dark green on this map. 135 00:07:04,290 --> 00:07:09,290 This next trio of maps shows forest cover in New England. 136 00:07:10,320 --> 00:07:14,220 And then the second one is forest cover in lighter green. 137 00:07:14,220 --> 00:07:16,500 And then the darker green is conserved land. 138 00:07:16,500 --> 00:07:21,090 And the dark, dark green is the Wildlands. 139 00:07:21,090 --> 00:07:23,463 So the Wildlands, again, on the right. 140 00:07:24,385 --> 00:07:27,120 So you can see, obviously there's a lot of conserved land, 141 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,190 but those are not Wildlands. 142 00:07:29,190 --> 00:07:34,190 Those are lands that are managed for other purposes. 143 00:07:37,620 --> 00:07:40,560 Another aspect of where are the Wildlands 144 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,960 is there is, part of this study, 145 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,730 one of the products of this study, 146 00:07:44,730 --> 00:07:48,840 is there's an interactive web map which you can go to, 147 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:53,220 and you can click on any one of these polygons 148 00:07:53,220 --> 00:07:55,530 and find out more about the parcel. 149 00:07:55,530 --> 00:07:58,320 When it was designated, who owns it, 150 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:00,393 how large it is, and that sort of thing. 151 00:08:01,470 --> 00:08:04,200 This is a living database, and we encourage people 152 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,210 to add to this database, 153 00:08:06,210 --> 00:08:08,430 and there's a process for doing that. 154 00:08:08,430 --> 00:08:10,353 So I encourage you to do that. 155 00:08:11,370 --> 00:08:16,370 So then what is the protection status of these Wildlands, 156 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,400 and what's the historic and current protection status? 157 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,500 Well, in this chart you can see, 158 00:08:22,500 --> 00:08:27,500 there's a general trend upward in protection of Wildlands 159 00:08:28,590 --> 00:08:31,470 in the region that goes, you know, 160 00:08:31,470 --> 00:08:34,440 sort of exponentially upward in the last couple of decades. 161 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:36,270 Each one of those bars is a decade, 162 00:08:36,270 --> 00:08:39,061 if you can't read that thing on the bottom. 163 00:08:39,061 --> 00:08:43,140 And then interestingly, who owns, 164 00:08:43,140 --> 00:08:45,600 the nature of the ownership is interesting 165 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,060 as it's changed over time. 166 00:08:48,060 --> 00:08:50,940 The last couple of decades, the green on this chart 167 00:08:50,940 --> 00:08:55,290 is conservation organizations, NGOs. 168 00:08:55,290 --> 00:08:58,713 The red is federal and the blue is state. 169 00:08:59,580 --> 00:09:04,580 So there's a bump there in 1940, 170 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,850 and that's the establishment of Baxter State Park. 171 00:09:08,850 --> 00:09:11,850 But beyond that, a lot of it has been, since then, 172 00:09:11,850 --> 00:09:16,850 a lot of it has been federal land, forest service land 173 00:09:16,860 --> 00:09:19,320 and wilderness areas in particular. 174 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:21,630 But most recently, the last couple of decades, 175 00:09:21,630 --> 00:09:23,567 there's been a lot of activity 176 00:09:23,567 --> 00:09:27,810 by conservation organizations, 177 00:09:27,810 --> 00:09:30,330 the Nature Conservancy, Northeast Wilderness Trust, 178 00:09:30,330 --> 00:09:34,405 others doing wildland conservation. 179 00:09:34,405 --> 00:09:38,430 And then who are these ownerships? 180 00:09:38,430 --> 00:09:42,660 How is this ownership of Wildlands distributed by state? 181 00:09:42,660 --> 00:09:46,410 Well, in the upper left you see New England 182 00:09:46,410 --> 00:09:51,141 as a whole is is approximately a third federal, 183 00:09:51,141 --> 00:09:53,070 a third, slightly more than a third state, 184 00:09:53,070 --> 00:09:57,660 and about a quarter conservation organizations. 185 00:09:57,660 --> 00:10:00,690 And just picking out a couple of states 186 00:10:00,690 --> 00:10:01,920 that are contrasting. 187 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,980 Massachusetts, most of the wild lands in Massachusetts 188 00:10:04,980 --> 00:10:06,510 are state lands. 189 00:10:06,510 --> 00:10:08,730 Most of the wild lands in New Hampshire are, 190 00:10:08,730 --> 00:10:12,060 not surprisingly, federal lands, federal wilderness. 191 00:10:12,060 --> 00:10:16,200 In Vermont here we have about half federal, 192 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:17,970 about 31% state 193 00:10:17,970 --> 00:10:21,630 and about 12% private conservation organizations. 194 00:10:21,630 --> 00:10:24,990 The other two categories are skinny categories, 195 00:10:24,990 --> 00:10:26,160 but important ones. 196 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:30,720 Private lands that don't, 197 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,880 that aren't conserved in any of these other ways. 198 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:35,670 And then educational institutions. 199 00:10:35,670 --> 00:10:37,680 So the University of Vermont, for example, 200 00:10:37,680 --> 00:10:39,900 is one of the educational institutions 201 00:10:39,900 --> 00:10:42,183 that does protect Wildlands. 202 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:46,445 So, and then what is their protection status 203 00:10:46,445 --> 00:10:50,163 in strength of management and permanency of protection? 204 00:10:51,510 --> 00:10:54,000 This chart is probably impossible to read, 205 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:57,057 but basically it's a gradient. 206 00:10:57,057 --> 00:11:02,057 This axis here is permanence of protection. 207 00:11:02,850 --> 00:11:05,400 So what are the legal protections? 208 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:09,841 And then the upper axis is 209 00:11:09,841 --> 00:11:13,170 the actual management on the ground. 210 00:11:13,170 --> 00:11:14,940 So just a couple of examples. 211 00:11:14,940 --> 00:11:18,947 In the upper left is the Harvard Forest Pisgah Tract, 212 00:11:18,947 --> 00:11:21,420 which actually does not have permanent legal protection, 213 00:11:21,420 --> 00:11:24,360 but has been managed for decades as a wildland, 214 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,150 and the expectation is that it will continue 215 00:11:27,150 --> 00:11:28,920 to be protected that way. 216 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:32,700 So has very, very strong on the ground protection 217 00:11:32,700 --> 00:11:34,560 but not legal protection. 218 00:11:34,560 --> 00:11:37,402 Whereas there are some other places 219 00:11:37,402 --> 00:11:40,404 that have high legal protection 220 00:11:40,404 --> 00:11:43,920 on the right hand side, 221 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,224 but on the ground it's a little unclear 222 00:11:47,224 --> 00:11:50,100 whether the management is actually 223 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:53,040 for a completely untrammeled condition. 224 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:54,060 Just some examples. 225 00:11:54,060 --> 00:11:55,830 I'm just gonna run through a few examples 226 00:11:55,830 --> 00:11:57,180 of some of these Wildlands, 227 00:11:59,008 --> 00:12:02,409 Baxter State Park. 228 00:12:02,409 --> 00:12:03,930 I'm gonna just look over 229 00:12:03,930 --> 00:12:06,450 and see how many more minutes I have. 230 00:12:06,450 --> 00:12:07,848 Two minutes. 231 00:12:07,848 --> 00:12:08,681 Okay, thank you. 232 00:12:08,681 --> 00:12:10,650 Baxter State Park, 233 00:12:10,650 --> 00:12:12,360 which is the largest in New England, 234 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,800 Muddy Pond Wilderness Preserve in Massachusetts, 235 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:17,850 Monhegan Island, 236 00:12:17,850 --> 00:12:20,490 surprisingly a lot of that is wildland, 237 00:12:20,490 --> 00:12:23,250 Groton State Forest here in Vermont, 238 00:12:23,250 --> 00:12:24,330 Connecticut College. 239 00:12:24,330 --> 00:12:26,880 And then in New Hampshire, the Vickie Bunnell Preserve, 240 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,700 which is one that's protected by ownership 241 00:12:29,700 --> 00:12:30,930 by the Nature Conservancy 242 00:12:30,930 --> 00:12:33,750 and an overlay easement by Northeast Wilderness Trust, 243 00:12:33,750 --> 00:12:37,410 what we think of as the strongest protection. 244 00:12:37,410 --> 00:12:42,410 Key recommendations, we recommend first that 245 00:12:42,870 --> 00:12:46,740 center Wildlands in an integrated approach to protection. 246 00:12:46,740 --> 00:12:50,250 Recommendation two, strengthen existing Wildlands, 247 00:12:50,250 --> 00:12:52,530 developing clear intent, 248 00:12:52,530 --> 00:12:56,550 developing permanency of protection. 249 00:12:56,550 --> 00:12:59,220 And recommendation three, more. 250 00:12:59,220 --> 00:13:01,020 We just need more Wildlands. 251 00:13:01,020 --> 00:13:04,830 So advance wildland conservation 252 00:13:04,830 --> 00:13:08,340 significantly, thoughtfully and strategically 253 00:13:08,340 --> 00:13:10,500 with some priorities such as 254 00:13:10,500 --> 00:13:12,510 okay, we've got lots of high elevation, 255 00:13:12,510 --> 00:13:13,830 don't need more high elevation. 256 00:13:13,830 --> 00:13:16,530 We do need more old forests. 257 00:13:16,530 --> 00:13:20,130 We do need more low land Calcareous areas. 258 00:13:20,130 --> 00:13:24,000 We have Vermont Conservation Design to help guide us 259 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:28,770 in these areas in advancing more old forest. 260 00:13:28,770 --> 00:13:32,160 So Bob Zaino will be talking more about that 261 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,380 in just a minute. 262 00:13:34,380 --> 00:13:37,200 We do have Act 59 now. 263 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,330 It's the law, 264 00:13:39,330 --> 00:13:41,370 and we have new regulations 265 00:13:41,370 --> 00:13:44,310 in our use value appraisal program. 266 00:13:44,310 --> 00:13:46,140 So I'm gonna end there. 267 00:13:46,140 --> 00:13:47,340 We've got some reports. 268 00:13:47,340 --> 00:13:51,630 I've got copies here of an executive summary of the report. 269 00:13:51,630 --> 00:13:53,250 And please just google 270 00:13:53,250 --> 00:13:55,620 Wildlands, Woodlands, Farmlands and Communities 271 00:13:55,620 --> 00:13:58,860 or Wildlands in New England for more information. 272 00:13:58,860 --> 00:14:01,770 And I'll stop there and take a couple questions, I think. 273 00:14:01,770 --> 00:14:03,240 Is that correct? 274 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:04,263 Okay, thank you. 275 00:14:05,102 --> 00:14:08,352 (audience applauding) 276 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:17,400 Good, there are no questions. 277 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,500 So now I can tell you one more thing. 278 00:14:19,500 --> 00:14:21,150 There's an online publication 279 00:14:21,150 --> 00:14:23,790 that we've just launched called From the Ground Up. 280 00:14:23,790 --> 00:14:24,623 Check that out. 281 00:14:24,623 --> 00:14:26,503 Okay, yeah, 282 00:14:26,503 --> 00:14:29,520 (audience member talking) 283 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:33,120 Turning Degraded lands into Wildlands, and that's great. 284 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,810 And our, I noted that our criteria 285 00:14:36,810 --> 00:14:38,850 did not include current conditions. 286 00:14:38,850 --> 00:14:43,380 So we welcome degraded lands into the Wildlands category 287 00:14:43,380 --> 00:14:48,240 as long as there's an intention to maybe manage a tiny bit 288 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:52,650 for the first year or so, plug some ditches so forth, 289 00:14:52,650 --> 00:14:55,850 but then leave nature to take its course. 290 00:14:55,850 --> 00:14:58,422 Yes. 291 00:14:58,422 --> 00:15:00,240 (audience member talking) 292 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,901 A place that is invaded, I'll repeat the question, 293 00:15:01,901 --> 00:15:03,840 a place that is invaded by, 294 00:15:03,840 --> 00:15:06,090 heavily invaded by non-native plants. 295 00:15:06,090 --> 00:15:10,890 Yes, so I have a mixed response to that. 296 00:15:10,890 --> 00:15:14,850 The first is we, in our definition of Wildlands, 297 00:15:14,850 --> 00:15:19,850 we do allow for some short term management, 298 00:15:19,950 --> 00:15:23,010 intensive, short term, targeted management 299 00:15:23,010 --> 00:15:25,530 and maybe longer term for invasive species, 300 00:15:25,530 --> 00:15:28,110 but really targeted and really thoughtful 301 00:15:28,110 --> 00:15:30,390 because they're not, they don't all behave the same. 302 00:15:30,390 --> 00:15:34,560 Some of them actually will blink out on their own over time 303 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:35,820 if you just leave it alone. 304 00:15:35,820 --> 00:15:38,820 Others do need management over time. 305 00:15:38,820 --> 00:15:42,120 So just being really thoughtful and careful about that, 306 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:43,170 but not ignoring it. 307 00:15:43,170 --> 00:15:44,220 I agree. 308 00:15:44,220 --> 00:15:46,884 Yeah, one more question. 309 00:15:46,884 --> 00:15:47,910 (audience member talking) 310 00:15:47,910 --> 00:15:50,250 Thank you, yeah, so support for this work. 311 00:15:50,250 --> 00:15:52,590 Support for the work, and I think I'm hoping 312 00:15:52,590 --> 00:15:54,930 that the subsequent couple of talks 313 00:15:54,930 --> 00:15:57,513 will address that to some extent. 314 00:15:58,350 --> 00:15:59,220 Really good point. 315 00:15:59,220 --> 00:16:01,623 Really good topic. 316 00:16:01,623 --> 00:16:03,300 And I think I'll leave it at that. 317 00:16:03,300 --> 00:16:05,088 And thank you very much. 318 00:16:05,088 --> 00:16:08,338 (audience applauding)