1 00:00:04,318 --> 00:00:06,120 [Moderator] I'd like to introduce Andy Wood 2 00:00:06,120 --> 00:00:08,340 from Vermont Fish and Wildlife. 3 00:00:08,340 --> 00:00:09,990 He's gonna talk today about Connected Forests 4 00:00:09,990 --> 00:00:12,057 for Climate Adaptation: 5 00:00:12,057 --> 00:00:15,900 Updates to Vermont's Conservation Design, 6 00:00:15,900 --> 00:00:18,180 and is everybody online? 7 00:00:18,180 --> 00:00:21,780 I believe they can hear us, so yeah, take it away. 8 00:00:21,780 --> 00:00:24,273 Thanks, thanks so much for coming, everybody. 9 00:00:25,350 --> 00:00:27,930 I was all pumped up from Heather's talk this morning. 10 00:00:27,930 --> 00:00:29,010 Hopefully, you are too, 11 00:00:29,010 --> 00:00:32,366 and the tacos aren't putting you to sleep at this point. 12 00:00:32,366 --> 00:00:33,570 (audience chuckling) 13 00:00:33,570 --> 00:00:36,000 My talk today is about connected forests 14 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:38,070 for climate adaptation. 15 00:00:38,070 --> 00:00:40,260 I'm gonna give you a little teaser of some work 16 00:00:40,260 --> 00:00:43,620 we've been doing at the Vermont Fish & Wildlife Department 17 00:00:43,620 --> 00:00:47,550 for the last two years to advance our own way 18 00:00:47,550 --> 00:00:49,500 of addressing this issue and thinking about it 19 00:00:49,500 --> 00:00:51,750 from a data science perspective, 20 00:00:51,750 --> 00:00:55,293 and conservation plan perspective. 21 00:00:58,530 --> 00:01:01,230 So briefly, today, I'm just gonna catch folks up 22 00:01:01,230 --> 00:01:03,480 on what is Vermont Conservation Design, 23 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,670 if you're not already familiar with it. 24 00:01:05,670 --> 00:01:08,430 More specifically, I'm gonna talk today about the update 25 00:01:08,430 --> 00:01:11,550 we've been doing to the Habitat Blocks dataset, 26 00:01:11,550 --> 00:01:15,483 which is a critical piece of the overall design. 27 00:01:16,359 --> 00:01:18,420 (voice distorting) 28 00:01:18,420 --> 00:01:20,388 form of over the inputs and output, 29 00:01:20,388 --> 00:01:21,540 and some of the ongoing limitations 30 00:01:21,540 --> 00:01:24,690 and opportunities that go along with this data. 31 00:01:25,827 --> 00:01:28,027 So, but first, just to back up a little bit, 32 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,260 at the Vermont Fish & Wildlife Department, 33 00:01:31,260 --> 00:01:33,480 we believe in the conservation of our fish, 34 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:36,280 wildlife, plants, and habitat for the people of Vermont. 35 00:01:37,273 --> 00:01:38,160 It's a really big mission. 36 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:40,380 One of the ways that we deliver on that mission 37 00:01:40,380 --> 00:01:42,900 is through the development and application 38 00:01:42,900 --> 00:01:45,150 of conservation science. 39 00:01:45,150 --> 00:01:48,180 One of our flagship efforts, Vermont Conservation Design, 40 00:01:48,180 --> 00:01:50,970 which I'll say, VCD, from now on, 41 00:01:50,970 --> 00:01:53,033 so that will save myself some breath. 42 00:01:53,033 --> 00:01:54,570 -(audience chuckling) -This is our reflection 43 00:01:54,570 --> 00:01:57,540 of our scientific vision for identifying 44 00:01:57,540 --> 00:02:01,560 the most ecologically functional parts 45 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,330 of the Vermont landscape, 46 00:02:03,330 --> 00:02:05,790 and by that, we mean one that is connected, 47 00:02:05,790 --> 00:02:08,280 intact, and reflecting the diversity 48 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:10,500 of natural features of the state. 49 00:02:10,500 --> 00:02:13,320 So, it's a spatial product, but it's also a vision 50 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:15,933 that needs to be put on the ground in various ways. 51 00:02:17,850 --> 00:02:22,290 This is a shift from a more classical species-focused model 52 00:02:22,290 --> 00:02:24,990 of doing conservation that tens of thousands 53 00:02:24,990 --> 00:02:26,820 of species across the state, 54 00:02:26,820 --> 00:02:28,890 there's just no way we can go about working 55 00:02:28,890 --> 00:02:30,273 on them one by one, 56 00:02:31,530 --> 00:02:34,830 so VCD uses a combined coarse filter 57 00:02:34,830 --> 00:02:37,770 and fine filter model for conservation. 58 00:02:37,770 --> 00:02:41,040 The thinking being, if we protect the diversity of habitats, 59 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:44,280 natural communities, landscapes, endless characteristics, 60 00:02:44,280 --> 00:02:47,657 we can efficiently protect entire fleets of species. 61 00:02:47,657 --> 00:02:49,470 And so it's worked for every species. 62 00:02:49,470 --> 00:02:50,610 We're always gonna need some 63 00:02:50,610 --> 00:02:53,170 of those fine filter conservation approaches 64 00:02:54,750 --> 00:02:58,760 that work on the species and individualized attention. 65 00:03:00,750 --> 00:03:02,100 So how do you actually do that? 66 00:03:02,100 --> 00:03:03,810 How do you put it on the ground? 67 00:03:03,810 --> 00:03:06,300 Well, one of the ways we start is by 68 00:03:06,300 --> 00:03:08,393 identifying an essential unit 69 00:03:08,393 --> 00:03:10,860 of landscape conservation planning. 70 00:03:10,860 --> 00:03:13,020 And we do that by 71 00:03:13,020 --> 00:03:15,213 looking at what we call a habitat block. 72 00:03:16,500 --> 00:03:19,440 Broadly speaking, our habitat blocks are areas 73 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,720 of natural cover surrounded by roads, 74 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:23,373 development and agriculture. 75 00:03:24,300 --> 00:03:25,590 And this is a data set that's been 76 00:03:25,590 --> 00:03:28,530 around since the early 2010s. 77 00:03:28,530 --> 00:03:32,820 It was originally developed on its own 78 00:03:32,820 --> 00:03:35,357 and now it has become a foundational piece of some 79 00:03:35,357 --> 00:03:39,390 of our other data products in Vermont Conservation Designs. 80 00:03:39,390 --> 00:03:41,910 Largely speaking, as I think we're all aware, 81 00:03:41,910 --> 00:03:44,460 this is mostly forest, but, 82 00:03:44,460 --> 00:03:48,390 bear in mind, it also includes areas of wetlands, 83 00:03:48,390 --> 00:03:50,520 water bodies, cliffs, 84 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:52,593 and a variety of other natural features. 85 00:03:53,970 --> 00:03:58,440 The data set contains about 4,000 blocks. 86 00:03:58,440 --> 00:04:02,880 They range in size from 20 acres to 150,000 acres. 87 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,730 And sort of spatially speaking, they reflect 88 00:04:05,730 --> 00:04:07,653 what I think many of us already know, 89 00:04:08,550 --> 00:04:12,510 that our largest blocks, here shown the darker red, 90 00:04:12,510 --> 00:04:14,430 are largely along our mountain ranges 91 00:04:14,430 --> 00:04:15,880 and in the northeast kingdom. 92 00:04:16,890 --> 00:04:20,370 So that work on habitat blocks was sort of 93 00:04:20,370 --> 00:04:23,040 a prerequisite for us to work on other data sets 94 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:24,750 such as interior forests 95 00:04:24,750 --> 00:04:26,910 and connectivity blocks, which may be 96 00:04:26,910 --> 00:04:29,083 familiar terms to many of you. 97 00:04:31,860 --> 00:04:34,410 This is what it looks like on a more local level. 98 00:04:34,410 --> 00:04:36,540 This is here, we're just zoomed into a town, 99 00:04:36,540 --> 00:04:38,763 and you can see, um, 100 00:04:40,230 --> 00:04:41,130 you can see, you know, 101 00:04:41,130 --> 00:04:44,580 we have some towns that have huge blocks, 102 00:04:44,580 --> 00:04:46,020 other towns look really different 103 00:04:46,020 --> 00:04:50,430 where they have small fragmented blocks spread around. 104 00:04:50,430 --> 00:04:53,730 But this data's been used by us and our partners 105 00:04:53,730 --> 00:04:56,400 in a number of conservation planning efforts 106 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,383 over the last decade or so. 107 00:04:59,700 --> 00:05:03,120 So this was a great data set. 108 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,670 It still is, it served us well over time, 109 00:05:05,670 --> 00:05:10,670 but one limitation is that it relied on 30 meter pixel 110 00:05:10,740 --> 00:05:13,050 input of land cover data. 111 00:05:13,050 --> 00:05:14,850 So it's always been very blocky 112 00:05:14,850 --> 00:05:19,230 and it always poorly represents some areas of the landscape, 113 00:05:19,230 --> 00:05:22,203 especially along the edges of our habitat blocks. 114 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,730 The new data that became available to us 115 00:05:26,730 --> 00:05:29,190 for this update is the 2016 116 00:05:29,190 --> 00:05:31,710 LiDAR-derived Forest Canopy data from the 117 00:05:31,710 --> 00:05:33,960 UVM Spatial Analysis Lab, 118 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:36,660 -say that three times fast. -(audience chuckling) 119 00:05:36,660 --> 00:05:40,200 The big upshot here is we moved from an input data set 120 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:43,710 of 30 meter pixels to half meter pixel. 121 00:05:43,710 --> 00:05:47,079 So, in my mind, you know, 122 00:05:47,079 --> 00:05:50,730 this is just really a transformational way 123 00:05:50,730 --> 00:05:53,310 to map what's actually out on the ground. 124 00:05:53,310 --> 00:05:57,120 Here's the old data set on on my left. 125 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,280 Here's what we see on the new data set. 126 00:05:59,280 --> 00:06:01,680 Just incredibly much more, you know, 127 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,360 fine grain resolution. 128 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,987 And in fact, I would argue it is a hyper state. 129 00:06:05,987 --> 00:06:09,720 (audience chuckling) 130 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:10,740 It's not perfect, 131 00:06:10,740 --> 00:06:13,233 just like the Millennium Falcon is not perfect. 132 00:06:14,430 --> 00:06:18,000 So we had to do a little bit of customization to 133 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:19,410 get the data to reflect, you know, 134 00:06:19,410 --> 00:06:21,933 what we wanted ecologically speaking. 135 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:24,390 So we kind of split it apart into 136 00:06:24,390 --> 00:06:27,300 some of its component pieces. 137 00:06:27,300 --> 00:06:30,180 We took the water land cover, tree canopy, 138 00:06:30,180 --> 00:06:31,470 the supplemental wetlands and 139 00:06:31,470 --> 00:06:33,900 supplemental shrublands data sets. 140 00:06:33,900 --> 00:06:36,780 And then we added in departments, our department, 141 00:06:36,780 --> 00:06:38,850 Significant Natural Communities data layer, 142 00:06:38,850 --> 00:06:41,850 which helped fill in some gaps for places, 143 00:06:41,850 --> 00:06:43,380 like the top of Mount Mansfield, 144 00:06:43,380 --> 00:06:45,390 that weren't being mapped in the way 145 00:06:45,390 --> 00:06:46,983 that they should have been. 146 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,960 So this is, granted, a gross over simplification 147 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:54,630 to the GIS folks who really did 148 00:06:54,630 --> 00:06:56,460 the lion's share of the labor. 149 00:06:56,460 --> 00:06:59,730 But, you know, broadly speaking, these are the inputs. 150 00:06:59,730 --> 00:07:03,453 We used this to make a statewide map of natural cover. 151 00:07:04,470 --> 00:07:07,770 And then we removed the developed lands, again, 152 00:07:07,770 --> 00:07:09,900 a gross oversimplification. 153 00:07:09,900 --> 00:07:11,910 We removed certain roads, 154 00:07:11,910 --> 00:07:15,300 houses and other development buffer, 155 00:07:15,300 --> 00:07:17,250 as well as some customization around 156 00:07:17,250 --> 00:07:19,870 ski slope areas that weren't quite matching up 157 00:07:20,730 --> 00:07:22,623 the way that we understood them. 158 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,400 So those were what we consider our fragmented features 159 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,280 that we used to cut the land cover data into 160 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,810 the set of blocks that you'll see it in the final product. 161 00:07:33,810 --> 00:07:35,820 So quickly, natural cover minus 162 00:07:35,820 --> 00:07:38,793 fragmenting features equals habitat blocks. 163 00:07:40,020 --> 00:07:41,899 According to all the GIS folks. 164 00:07:41,899 --> 00:07:44,982 (audience chuckling) 165 00:07:47,850 --> 00:07:51,540 So what I'm gonna do is show you a set of blocks 166 00:07:51,540 --> 00:07:54,000 in the old data set, and then the same shot 167 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:54,930 in the new data set. 168 00:07:54,930 --> 00:07:57,870 So this is the old habitat blocks. 169 00:07:57,870 --> 00:08:00,870 You can see it is very blocky 170 00:08:00,870 --> 00:08:04,140 and if you compare it to the underlying aerial imagery, 171 00:08:04,140 --> 00:08:05,613 it's just not that accurate. 172 00:08:06,810 --> 00:08:10,623 Here's the same area with our new habitat blocks dataset. 173 00:08:14,610 --> 00:08:17,040 Some of the things that I think are working 174 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,590 really well in this new representation 175 00:08:19,590 --> 00:08:23,130 is our ability to pick up on these connecting lands 176 00:08:23,130 --> 00:08:26,280 that serve as potential pathways between blocks 177 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,593 that just weren't reflected in the old data. 178 00:08:29,550 --> 00:08:31,710 There are some other areas that are getting picked up 179 00:08:31,710 --> 00:08:36,570 that weren't picked up at all in the previous dataset. 180 00:08:36,570 --> 00:08:39,810 And a lot of that comes from our improved wetland data 181 00:08:39,810 --> 00:08:44,370 and other advances in interim tiers as well as just, 182 00:08:44,370 --> 00:08:46,803 you know, better input land cover data. 183 00:08:48,030 --> 00:08:50,778 So going back just to show you that again. 184 00:08:50,778 --> 00:08:52,850 (microphone distorts) 185 00:08:52,850 --> 00:08:55,890 (audience chuckling) 186 00:08:55,890 --> 00:08:57,469 Didn't like that, uh 187 00:08:57,469 --> 00:08:58,413 you know, though there are areas 188 00:08:58,413 --> 00:08:59,940 that aren't shown at all, 189 00:08:59,940 --> 00:09:03,690 and so we're missing these potential pathways for 190 00:09:03,690 --> 00:09:05,820 movement of plants and animals 191 00:09:05,820 --> 00:09:07,670 as we think about a changing climate. 192 00:09:10,470 --> 00:09:15,300 So here's another set of comparison images. 193 00:09:15,300 --> 00:09:19,710 On the bottom in the orange and tan is the old data set. 194 00:09:19,710 --> 00:09:21,603 On the top is the new data set. 195 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:23,970 What do we really like? 196 00:09:23,970 --> 00:09:26,670 Some things that I think are working great are 197 00:09:26,670 --> 00:09:29,610 better representation of wetland data. 198 00:09:29,610 --> 00:09:30,750 Here we're just, 199 00:09:30,750 --> 00:09:32,940 we have a better understanding of where those features are. 200 00:09:32,940 --> 00:09:34,623 We're better able to detect them. 201 00:09:35,940 --> 00:09:37,980 I think we're getting a much better 202 00:09:37,980 --> 00:09:41,760 and more intuitive display of fragmentation by 203 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,600 this method of buffering houses and other development, 204 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,720 we're calling this like the Swiss cheese effect. 205 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,100 You don't really see it as much 206 00:09:50,100 --> 00:09:52,863 down here in the old dataset, you gotta look close. 207 00:09:53,820 --> 00:09:55,710 And I think the Swiss cheese is something 208 00:09:55,710 --> 00:09:57,720 that people are really gonna understand 209 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,340 and will help us share the message of what's 210 00:10:00,340 --> 00:10:03,257 (voice distorting) 211 00:10:04,110 --> 00:10:06,420 The other big advance, you know, like I talked about 212 00:10:06,420 --> 00:10:10,260 with the connecting lens is our ability to better map 213 00:10:10,260 --> 00:10:11,640 edges of the forest block. 214 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,820 So where these blocks come down and touch the road. 215 00:10:14,820 --> 00:10:19,620 So come down and touch other land uses. 216 00:10:19,620 --> 00:10:22,350 So, you know, you can see in the old image, 217 00:10:22,350 --> 00:10:24,617 we have this kind of blocky cut out here. 218 00:10:24,617 --> 00:10:27,510 In the new image, we have, you know, 219 00:10:27,510 --> 00:10:29,820 a much finer resolution of 220 00:10:29,820 --> 00:10:33,150 where those blocks begin. 221 00:10:33,150 --> 00:10:35,460 And so, you're thinking about something like 222 00:10:35,460 --> 00:10:38,763 wildlife road crosses, this is a really big advancement. 223 00:10:40,260 --> 00:10:42,000 What do we not like? 224 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:44,880 One of the challenges that came up was 225 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,220 areas that have been managed. 226 00:10:47,220 --> 00:10:50,700 Forests are not always consistently 227 00:10:50,700 --> 00:10:51,930 showing up in the data the way 228 00:10:51,930 --> 00:10:53,100 we would want them to be. 229 00:10:53,100 --> 00:10:55,770 They, you know, they're showing up as holes in our blocks, 230 00:10:55,770 --> 00:10:58,770 which doesn't really reflect our ecological 231 00:10:58,770 --> 00:11:01,380 understanding of those activities. 232 00:11:01,380 --> 00:11:05,010 So that's something we're working on, thinking about, 233 00:11:05,010 --> 00:11:09,030 or talk about that issue and explain the limitations when we 234 00:11:09,030 --> 00:11:10,710 share the data. 235 00:11:10,710 --> 00:11:13,173 Another one that bugs me is the power lines. 236 00:11:14,610 --> 00:11:16,290 If you've been out on a power line, you know, 237 00:11:16,290 --> 00:11:19,920 there are often areas of extensive shrubland, wetland, 238 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,920 those areas should be getting picked up by our data. 239 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,440 But again, because of the inputs, 240 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,050 they are inconsistently picked up sometimes 241 00:11:28,050 --> 00:11:31,650 we get 'em, other times we miss 'em. 242 00:11:31,650 --> 00:11:34,320 But again, I think that one's pretty easy to understand. 243 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:35,970 It's a power line. 244 00:11:35,970 --> 00:11:38,100 It does require interpretation 245 00:11:38,100 --> 00:11:39,510 when you're using this data 246 00:11:39,510 --> 00:11:42,273 and you know, being aware that that's a limitation. 247 00:11:44,430 --> 00:11:48,600 So, you know, big picture, 248 00:11:48,600 --> 00:11:51,030 we have two data sets now. 249 00:11:51,030 --> 00:11:53,250 I think it's important to understand they are 250 00:11:53,250 --> 00:11:55,230 not apples to apples. 251 00:11:55,230 --> 00:11:57,060 You cannot compare them directly, 252 00:11:57,060 --> 00:11:59,160 'cause they were created in different ways 253 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:00,930 with different inputs. 254 00:12:00,930 --> 00:12:02,460 But we wanted to understand, you know, 255 00:12:02,460 --> 00:12:04,770 what does this actually look like 256 00:12:04,770 --> 00:12:07,083 when we zoom out on the statewide scale? 257 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,490 Old blocks over here, new blocks over there. 258 00:12:11,490 --> 00:12:13,410 The general pattern is the same. 259 00:12:13,410 --> 00:12:16,830 Our largest blocks are again, along the mountain spines 260 00:12:16,830 --> 00:12:19,020 and the northeast kingdom. 261 00:12:19,020 --> 00:12:20,853 Same is true in the new dataset. 262 00:12:21,990 --> 00:12:23,940 I think where we're, whoops. 263 00:12:23,940 --> 00:12:26,970 There's supposed to be one where we zoomed in on towns. 264 00:12:26,970 --> 00:12:29,280 I think what you'll find is when you look at an area 265 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,550 in greater detail, you know, the individual outlines 266 00:12:32,550 --> 00:12:34,470 of each block have have changed. 267 00:12:34,470 --> 00:12:37,260 And that's largely because we're able to 268 00:12:37,260 --> 00:12:38,850 better detect, you know, 269 00:12:38,850 --> 00:12:40,830 the little squiggles along the edge of the block 270 00:12:40,830 --> 00:12:44,640 where we have actual natural cover 271 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:47,493 that just simply wasn't mapped in the previous dataset. 272 00:12:48,510 --> 00:12:50,640 We did run some numbers just to see, you know, 273 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,880 how different is this with the caveat that it's not 274 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,380 apples to apples, 275 00:12:55,380 --> 00:12:59,280 and we think it's largely consistent big picture. 276 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,280 And that's important because people have invested a lot 277 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,313 of planning efforts in the previous data set. 278 00:13:06,300 --> 00:13:08,970 You know, we wanna just sort of acknowledge 279 00:13:08,970 --> 00:13:11,880 that that has, you know, gone into a variety 280 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:13,323 of planning efforts, so, 281 00:13:14,490 --> 00:13:15,450 we're gonna work on this 282 00:13:15,450 --> 00:13:18,000 and figure out some of the other implications. 283 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,910 But largely, we have a product 284 00:13:20,910 --> 00:13:23,043 that can be compared in certain ways. 285 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:26,700 So I'm getting to the end here. 286 00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:28,830 What does this have to do with climate change? 287 00:13:28,830 --> 00:13:32,850 Big takeaway point I wanna leave you with today is 288 00:13:32,850 --> 00:13:36,000 we have a vastly improved ability to map 289 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,040 pathways of connectivity 290 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,050 for plants and wildlife 291 00:13:40,050 --> 00:13:44,340 as they move throughout the state in a changing climate. 292 00:13:44,340 --> 00:13:46,950 That said, I think there's a lot of other dimensions of this 293 00:13:46,950 --> 00:13:48,960 that we haven't fully explored. 294 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:50,550 So if you're sitting there 295 00:13:50,550 --> 00:13:52,380 and there's a little light bulb going off in your head 296 00:13:52,380 --> 00:13:54,600 about, you know, what you and your organization 297 00:13:54,600 --> 00:13:56,280 would like to do with this work, 298 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:57,236 please reach out. 299 00:13:57,236 --> 00:13:58,830 We'd love to hear those ideas 300 00:13:58,830 --> 00:14:02,250 and we're really eager to share this work with you 301 00:14:02,250 --> 00:14:03,843 and see where it goes. 302 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:16,200 Lastly, I just wanna acknowledge that this is not my work. 303 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,570 This is a team, 304 00:14:18,570 --> 00:14:21,270 lots of very impressive minds here 305 00:14:21,270 --> 00:14:23,610 who help bring this work to fruition 306 00:14:23,610 --> 00:14:26,820 as well as all of our partner organizations and funders. 307 00:14:26,820 --> 00:14:29,073 So, questions? 308 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:33,150 Yes. 309 00:14:33,150 --> 00:14:34,255 I really like that. 310 00:14:34,255 --> 00:14:36,063 And the idea about edge, 311 00:14:36,063 --> 00:14:38,340 both in terms of buffering the houses 312 00:14:38,340 --> 00:14:40,710 and getting that Swiss cheese effect and also roads. 313 00:14:40,710 --> 00:14:44,070 But I'm curious what buffer distance did you decide was 314 00:14:44,070 --> 00:14:45,743 determined what is and is not? 315 00:14:45,743 --> 00:14:49,410 I think we did 150 feet there, right Ally? 316 00:14:49,410 --> 00:14:50,243 [Ally] I think so. 317 00:14:50,243 --> 00:14:52,140 Yeah, I'll double check the metadata, so. 318 00:14:52,140 --> 00:14:53,057 That person has his hand raised. 319 00:14:53,057 --> 00:14:54,630 Was it the same buffer distance? 320 00:14:54,630 --> 00:14:57,720 So we took for houses, we took the E911 321 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:59,460 buildings layer and we buffered that out. 322 00:14:59,460 --> 00:15:00,612 So those are the circles we did. 323 00:15:00,612 --> 00:15:01,445 Yeah. 324 00:15:01,445 --> 00:15:04,710 The roads, that's like a much more complicated answer, 325 00:15:04,710 --> 00:15:05,880 but I can share the metadata. 326 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,020 Yeah, okay, great. 327 00:15:07,020 --> 00:15:07,853 Thanks. 328 00:15:08,940 --> 00:15:09,773 Yes, Tim. 329 00:15:10,650 --> 00:15:14,310 I'm curious about mapping young forest. 330 00:15:14,310 --> 00:15:18,810 Is there a way to identify, you know, 331 00:15:18,810 --> 00:15:22,050 early successional young forest conditions on the landscape? 332 00:15:22,050 --> 00:15:23,640 I ask because I, you know, 333 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:26,350 typically when I'm doing like landscape analyses for 334 00:15:27,330 --> 00:15:30,030 a landowner, I try to report out, you know, 335 00:15:30,030 --> 00:15:33,360 mature forest acreage and young forest acreage, 336 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,820 Looking at the 2016 dataset. 337 00:15:35,820 --> 00:15:37,770 I look at like canopy height values, 338 00:15:37,770 --> 00:15:39,180 just try to visually assess it. 339 00:15:39,180 --> 00:15:42,750 But it would be so awesome for my work 340 00:15:42,750 --> 00:15:46,020 and all of our work to understand like young forest. 341 00:15:46,020 --> 00:15:47,550 And to kind of start answering my own question, 342 00:15:47,550 --> 00:15:49,380 you said that one of the things that bugged you was 343 00:15:49,380 --> 00:15:52,200 that the forest management kind of popped out, right? 344 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,050 You basically, it seemed like you kind of 345 00:15:55,050 --> 00:15:58,357 detected changes in forest cover between what, 346 00:15:59,257 --> 00:16:02,430 2016, 2013, and 2023? 347 00:16:02,430 --> 00:16:04,017 Well, not exactly. 348 00:16:04,017 --> 00:16:05,610 (audience chuckling) 349 00:16:05,610 --> 00:16:07,143 I think, you know, 350 00:16:08,514 --> 00:16:10,140 there are some things you could look into 351 00:16:10,140 --> 00:16:11,550 along that line of questioning. 352 00:16:11,550 --> 00:16:12,990 I think there are other data sets 353 00:16:12,990 --> 00:16:15,120 that are probably gonna be better served, 354 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:17,610 you know, as you're thinking about things like canopy height 355 00:16:17,610 --> 00:16:22,053 and, you know, detecting certain management practices. 356 00:16:24,090 --> 00:16:28,020 I'm not certain like that this is necessarily the data set 357 00:16:28,020 --> 00:16:29,220 that's gonna tell you that. 358 00:16:29,220 --> 00:16:31,830 I think, you know, like any other data set, 359 00:16:31,830 --> 00:16:33,780 you can use this together with, 360 00:16:33,780 --> 00:16:36,120 you know, all the other tools in your toolkit 361 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:37,670 and your professional judgment. 362 00:16:39,750 --> 00:16:40,980 Yes. 363 00:16:40,980 --> 00:16:42,660 So you're rolling this out here. 364 00:16:42,660 --> 00:16:45,420 Do you have plans to roll it out with communities, 365 00:16:45,420 --> 00:16:47,939 'cause I'd be really curious to see what the response is 366 00:16:47,939 --> 00:16:50,820 to this Swiss chief effect, 367 00:16:50,820 --> 00:16:54,630 in terms of what people look at as forest cover and, 368 00:16:54,630 --> 00:16:55,463 Yeah. 369 00:16:55,463 --> 00:16:58,650 And moving forward with changes in Act 250 370 00:16:58,650 --> 00:17:01,410 and the idea of lack of housing 371 00:17:01,410 --> 00:17:03,363 and where that housing takes place. 372 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:05,940 This would be really telling to see 373 00:17:05,940 --> 00:17:08,520 what the response is from the community. 374 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:09,720 Yeah, that's a great point. 375 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,390 You know, right now we're at the tail end of 376 00:17:12,390 --> 00:17:15,300 kind of the science phase, you know, the analysis phase 377 00:17:15,300 --> 00:17:18,750 and you know, sometime we'll be moving into 378 00:17:18,750 --> 00:17:21,510 kind of the outreach phase of this work. 379 00:17:21,510 --> 00:17:24,600 You know, I will say that, you know, we had, 380 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,838 we tried to bring in a fair number of different points, 381 00:17:28,838 --> 00:17:31,140 viewpoints into our, you know, steering committee 382 00:17:31,140 --> 00:17:33,270 for this work to make sure that we were, 383 00:17:33,270 --> 00:17:34,710 we're headed in a good direction. 384 00:17:34,710 --> 00:17:38,110 But yeah, absolutely the outreach is gonna be a big piece of 385 00:17:39,221 --> 00:17:41,130 how we bring this work to life 386 00:17:41,130 --> 00:17:43,330 in the communities that we live and work in. 387 00:17:45,930 --> 00:17:46,763 Yes. 388 00:17:46,763 --> 00:17:48,930 Is there gonna be an effort to correct 389 00:17:48,930 --> 00:17:52,860 the issue with the recently harvested areas? 390 00:17:52,860 --> 00:17:56,280 It seems like a pretty significant issue 391 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,800 and it would be, I think it'd be unfortunate 392 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:02,070 to have that in the dataset for a decade 393 00:18:02,070 --> 00:18:04,500 if it takes that long to update. 394 00:18:04,500 --> 00:18:05,440 Yeah. 395 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:08,010 I think that those conversations about, you know, 396 00:18:08,010 --> 00:18:09,870 what are the implications, what do we do with that, 397 00:18:09,870 --> 00:18:11,553 are happening, so. 398 00:18:15,630 --> 00:18:17,740 Is there a timeline for this getting up 399 00:18:18,780 --> 00:18:20,043 or is it up already? 400 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:22,860 To be determined. 401 00:18:22,860 --> 00:18:26,070 I think, you know, we're, like I said at the beginning, 402 00:18:26,070 --> 00:18:28,530 for those of you are here, this is kind of a teaser 403 00:18:28,530 --> 00:18:31,920 of what we've been up to for the last two years. 404 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,693 When exactly it's released, 405 00:18:35,250 --> 00:18:37,530 we'll have to keep you posted on that. 406 00:18:37,530 --> 00:18:38,363 Thanks. 407 00:18:41,010 --> 00:18:42,600 Awesome. 408 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:43,623 All right, thanks.