1 00:00:01,950 --> 00:00:04,250 Welcome everybody, thank you for being here. 2 00:00:06,270 --> 00:00:09,060 This working session is thinking about 3 00:00:09,060 --> 00:00:11,670 how we can, sort of the first steps 4 00:00:11,670 --> 00:00:14,550 toward forming a rapid response network 5 00:00:14,550 --> 00:00:18,990 for acute tree mortality events, 6 00:00:18,990 --> 00:00:21,510 and in this case we've sort of been thinking about this 7 00:00:21,510 --> 00:00:22,590 with an existing working group 8 00:00:22,590 --> 00:00:24,900 that's using emerald ash borer as a case study. 9 00:00:24,900 --> 00:00:27,090 But for this session we'll be thinking about it. 10 00:00:27,090 --> 00:00:29,220 You can use that as the case study in your mind, 11 00:00:29,220 --> 00:00:30,810 if that helps to anchor things, 12 00:00:30,810 --> 00:00:35,810 or you can think about a different on the horizon threat 13 00:00:35,940 --> 00:00:38,550 that is relevant to you, just to think about 14 00:00:38,550 --> 00:00:41,313 how information is moving through your networks, 15 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,940 and sort of where the barriers are there 16 00:00:47,940 --> 00:00:49,743 and also what information is needed. 17 00:00:51,381 --> 00:00:54,300 We were originally gonna do moving around introductions 18 00:00:54,300 --> 00:00:57,240 because we thought we might, if we had a bigger group, 19 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:58,800 but since we have a pretty small group, 20 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:01,110 I think we could just do actual introductions. 21 00:01:01,110 --> 00:01:04,663 So if folks want to say your name 22 00:01:04,663 --> 00:01:08,340 and what your role is and where you're at. 23 00:01:08,340 --> 00:01:09,660 You can be a little expansive. 24 00:01:09,660 --> 00:01:10,890 They don't have to be super short intros, 25 00:01:10,890 --> 00:01:12,960 because then as we learned in the meeting yesterday, 26 00:01:12,960 --> 00:01:14,760 everybody just forgets everybody's name. 27 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,230 So you can say a few things about yourself 28 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:20,104 related to your work, and that would be great. 29 00:01:20,104 --> 00:01:21,360 We can start with Eli, we'll go in the room, 30 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:22,863 and then we'll go online. 31 00:01:24,390 --> 00:01:26,160 I always just feel like I'm yelling into the sky, 32 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:27,693 but I think they can hear us. 33 00:01:29,190 --> 00:01:30,450 [Eli] My name is Eli Ward. 34 00:01:30,450 --> 00:01:33,690 I work at the Connecticut Agricultural Experiment Station. 35 00:01:33,690 --> 00:01:36,663 I'm the Connecticut State Coordinator for FEMC. 36 00:01:37,530 --> 00:01:40,410 I just started my position seven months ago, 37 00:01:40,410 --> 00:01:44,640 and I just graduated with my PhD seven months ago. 38 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:49,640 So my role is primarily research, forest ecosystem scale, 39 00:01:49,750 --> 00:01:53,130 looking a lot at tree regeneration 40 00:01:53,130 --> 00:01:55,080 and response to forest disturbances, 41 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,775 primarily mortality from invasive pests and pathogens 42 00:01:58,775 --> 00:02:02,397 and different forest management practices. 43 00:02:02,397 --> 00:02:07,148 My PhD also was actually in forest soil biogeochemistry. 44 00:02:07,148 --> 00:02:10,290 That's not my current work, 45 00:02:10,290 --> 00:02:12,960 but that is an active area of interest 46 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,733 that might come back someday. 47 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:16,923 -That's a lot. -Yeah. 48 00:02:20,069 --> 00:02:22,019 -Is that too long? -That's a lot, wow. 49 00:02:25,992 --> 00:02:27,879 [Eli] Well, now it's a career. 50 00:02:27,879 --> 00:02:30,629 (group laughing) 51 00:02:31,530 --> 00:02:34,705 [Lana] Hey guys, Lana Russell. 52 00:02:34,705 --> 00:02:37,470 I am the Rhode Island Forest Health Program Coordinator 53 00:02:37,470 --> 00:02:40,830 and the Rhode Island State Coordinator with FEMC. 54 00:02:40,830 --> 00:02:42,930 I'm also new in my position as of April, 55 00:02:42,930 --> 00:02:45,120 but I have been the Rhode Island State Coordinator 56 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:46,053 for three years. 57 00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,970 I'm running the Rhode Island Forest Health Program. 58 00:02:50,970 --> 00:02:54,300 I am keenly interested in just rapid response 59 00:02:54,300 --> 00:02:56,940 to tree rescue or tree mortality events. 60 00:02:56,940 --> 00:02:59,460 My program has very limited capacity. 61 00:02:59,460 --> 00:03:03,870 I staff one, and so just historically with limited capacity. 62 00:03:03,870 --> 00:03:05,227 I'm just really interested to see 63 00:03:05,227 --> 00:03:07,113 what can be established here. 64 00:03:12,420 --> 00:03:13,530 [Jeff] Okay, I'll go. 65 00:03:13,530 --> 00:03:16,290 Jeff Harriman with Maine Forest Service, 66 00:03:16,290 --> 00:03:18,093 Resource Management Coordinator. 67 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,013 I pretty much cover everything for our field aspects. 68 00:03:23,979 --> 00:03:26,100 I oversee the entomologist pathologist, 69 00:03:26,100 --> 00:03:28,890 and then we're kind of two groups, 70 00:03:28,890 --> 00:03:31,320 and one forest health monitoring, 71 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:34,200 has what we used to be called insect and disease management, 72 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:36,330 but we also have the forest inventory program 73 00:03:36,330 --> 00:03:37,680 where we actually have field groups 74 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:40,383 that complete the forest inventory. 75 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,193 I do aerial survey, RGIS. 76 00:03:44,876 --> 00:03:48,008 You name it, I pretty much do everything for our group. 77 00:03:48,008 --> 00:03:51,423 I was curious to see the outcome of this presentation. 78 00:03:53,490 --> 00:03:56,700 [Thom] I'm Thom Allgaier, the Invasive Species Coordinator 79 00:03:56,700 --> 00:03:59,340 with New York State Department of Agriculture and Markets. 80 00:03:59,340 --> 00:04:02,763 I also represent the department on the State Community. 81 00:04:06,450 --> 00:04:07,650 I cover the whole state, 82 00:04:07,650 --> 00:04:10,590 and I deal a lot with the United State agencies 83 00:04:10,590 --> 00:04:13,162 on the New York Invasive Species Council, 84 00:04:13,162 --> 00:04:16,190 a lot with New York State DDC, 85 00:04:16,190 --> 00:04:19,980 a lot with New York State parks, and the others as well. 86 00:04:19,980 --> 00:04:21,750 Also the prisms, the partnerships 87 00:04:21,750 --> 00:04:23,400 from invasive species management. 88 00:04:24,493 --> 00:04:27,063 I kind of coordinate with them as well. 89 00:04:29,611 --> 00:04:33,540 We've used incident management, ICS, 90 00:04:33,540 --> 00:04:37,890 for response to different instances, 91 00:04:37,890 --> 00:04:41,223 and in New York state being one of them, 92 00:04:42,597 --> 00:04:44,149 EAB being another one. 93 00:04:44,149 --> 00:04:47,670 So I thought this would kind of fit into that aspect. 94 00:04:47,670 --> 00:04:52,080 I have a lot of ICS experience with the USDA for 13 years. 95 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,770 For nine and a half of the 13 years I was with USDA, 96 00:04:55,770 --> 00:04:57,407 I was on the National Incident Management Team 97 00:04:57,407 --> 00:05:02,160 in one role or another, lots of deployments here and there. 98 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,698 And then also in my current role, 99 00:05:04,698 --> 00:05:08,010 which I've been back at New York State Ag and Markets 100 00:05:08,010 --> 00:05:11,553 five years, we've had several, 101 00:05:12,750 --> 00:05:13,830 we've used it for several things, 102 00:05:13,830 --> 00:05:16,109 including planning a statewide meeting, 103 00:05:16,109 --> 00:05:18,237 responding to spotted lantern fly 104 00:05:18,237 --> 00:05:19,743 and other instances as well. 105 00:05:20,701 --> 00:05:23,020 So I was trying to figure out how this 106 00:05:24,750 --> 00:05:25,680 would kind of interact 107 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,680 with ICS and how we could implement some 108 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,453 of it in our state as well. 109 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,148 -Or how we can learn. -That's what I'm thinking. 110 00:05:34,148 --> 00:05:36,898 (group laughing) 111 00:05:40,696 --> 00:05:41,529 [Thom] That, too. 112 00:05:41,529 --> 00:05:43,301 Yeah, we have no answers. 113 00:05:43,301 --> 00:05:46,036 We are only gonna ask you to do things. 114 00:05:46,036 --> 00:05:48,567 (group laughing) 115 00:05:48,567 --> 00:05:49,481 Awesome. 116 00:05:49,481 --> 00:05:54,300 [Jen] Jen Pontius, I am the note taker of this session, 117 00:05:54,300 --> 00:05:59,300 and I am forestry faculty here at UVM 118 00:05:59,310 --> 00:06:01,590 and the PI for the FEMC. 119 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,690 My research is mostly in remote sensing 120 00:06:06,690 --> 00:06:09,289 and geospatial modeling for forest health, 121 00:06:09,289 --> 00:06:12,630 early detection or fragmentation. 122 00:06:12,630 --> 00:06:15,594 That was with Allison long time ago. 123 00:06:15,594 --> 00:06:17,909 A long time ago. Yeah, yeah. 124 00:06:17,909 --> 00:06:19,350 But yeah, just happy 125 00:06:19,350 --> 00:06:21,200 to be here and learn from all of you. 126 00:06:22,230 --> 00:06:23,150 [Presenter] Great. 127 00:06:23,150 --> 00:06:26,100 Do the online folks want to introduce themselves? 128 00:06:26,100 --> 00:06:27,780 They can unmute themselves, right? 129 00:06:27,780 --> 00:06:29,130 -Yes. -[Presenter] Yep. 130 00:06:29,130 --> 00:06:33,390 And we can start with Laura, then Erica, 131 00:06:33,390 --> 00:06:35,013 then Savannah than Kelsey. 132 00:06:43,950 --> 00:06:45,333 Hmm. Can y'all hear us? 133 00:06:48,990 --> 00:06:53,071 -We need a volume on- -Somebody just unmuted. 134 00:06:53,071 --> 00:06:54,654 -Oh, oh, -Oh. Yay. 135 00:06:55,847 --> 00:06:57,360 [Presenter] Great. Yeah. Erica, go ahead. 136 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,820 Maybe you wanna step away for a while. 137 00:06:59,820 --> 00:07:02,490 [Erica] Hi, my name is Erica Colbert. 138 00:07:02,490 --> 00:07:04,650 I work for the New York State Department 139 00:07:04,650 --> 00:07:07,200 of Environmental Conservation in the Forest 140 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:08,820 Health Diagnostic Lab. 141 00:07:08,820 --> 00:07:12,765 I am a lab tech that works mostly with the entomology 142 00:07:12,765 --> 00:07:14,793 side of our programs. 143 00:07:17,430 --> 00:07:18,530 [Jen] Thanks, Erica. 144 00:07:19,860 --> 00:07:21,303 -Savannah. -Savannah. 145 00:07:23,990 --> 00:07:25,050 [Savannah] Hi, I'm Savannah Ferrera. 146 00:07:25,050 --> 00:07:28,050 I'm a forest health specialist with the state of Vermont 147 00:07:28,050 --> 00:07:32,793 and I'm also co-coordinator with FEMC for Vermont. 148 00:07:33,630 --> 00:07:36,600 I typically work out of our forest biology lab, 149 00:07:36,600 --> 00:07:39,393 which provides diagnostic services to the state. 150 00:07:41,625 --> 00:07:43,410 And I also help with our forest health programming. 151 00:07:43,410 --> 00:07:47,400 So doing all of the insect trapping 152 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,433 and IDs, our plot work. 153 00:07:51,420 --> 00:07:52,253 Yeah. 154 00:07:53,370 --> 00:07:56,760 -Great. And Kelsey? -Hello, 155 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:58,290 my name is Kelsey McLaughlin. 156 00:07:58,290 --> 00:08:01,380 I'm a forest pathologist with the New York State DEC, 157 00:08:01,380 --> 00:08:05,250 working out of the Forest health diagnostic lab with Erica. 158 00:08:05,250 --> 00:08:09,048 I work with the disease side of things. 159 00:08:09,048 --> 00:08:12,120 So for example, beech leaf disease, oak wilt, 160 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:13,413 white pine needle damage. 161 00:08:14,328 --> 00:08:15,161 Those are kind of the big three that I work on. 162 00:08:15,161 --> 00:08:17,700 And then also responding to public inquiries 163 00:08:17,700 --> 00:08:19,113 and diagnostic requests. 164 00:08:20,190 --> 00:08:23,433 [Presenter] Great. Laura, did you come back? 165 00:08:24,810 --> 00:08:26,473 -She put some comments on- -She's, oh, she said 166 00:08:26,473 --> 00:08:28,260 that she's not an attendee, 167 00:08:28,260 --> 00:08:30,808 but like she's doing (indistinct) 168 00:08:30,808 --> 00:08:32,280 [Presenter] Oh, ha ha. 169 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:35,820 We can't see that on this particular screen, so thanks. 170 00:08:35,820 --> 00:08:40,230 Sorry for the confusion. Okay, great. 171 00:08:40,230 --> 00:08:43,110 So I'm just gonna give a little bit of broad context to sort 172 00:08:43,110 --> 00:08:44,370 of network mapping. 173 00:08:44,370 --> 00:08:48,810 So this might be sort of obvious, 174 00:08:48,810 --> 00:08:49,860 but just so we're all sort 175 00:08:49,860 --> 00:08:52,110 of working from the same sort of idea. 176 00:08:52,110 --> 00:08:54,390 So when we're talking about a social network here, 177 00:08:54,390 --> 00:08:56,070 we're talking about about social structures. 178 00:08:56,070 --> 00:08:57,870 And by social I mean like very broadly. 179 00:08:57,870 --> 00:08:59,700 Like this could be like professional social, 180 00:08:59,700 --> 00:09:03,030 like your professional network could be, you know, 181 00:09:03,030 --> 00:09:04,710 could be like a neighborhood, could be lots 182 00:09:04,710 --> 00:09:06,420 of different kinds of networks, but it's composed 183 00:09:06,420 --> 00:09:07,590 of nodes and edges. 184 00:09:07,590 --> 00:09:09,513 And the edges are the connections between the nodes 185 00:09:09,513 --> 00:09:11,970 that a nodes could be a node, could be an individual, 186 00:09:11,970 --> 00:09:15,330 or it could be an organization of some kind. 187 00:09:15,330 --> 00:09:17,610 And as you can see here, the edges can be linked 188 00:09:17,610 --> 00:09:18,870 to multiple nodes, which, you know, 189 00:09:18,870 --> 00:09:20,550 if you're thinking about a network that makes a lot 190 00:09:20,550 --> 00:09:21,930 of sense, if you're thinking about your own social 191 00:09:21,930 --> 00:09:23,040 connections, obviously, like you 192 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:25,595 as a human are connected to multiple things. 193 00:09:25,595 --> 00:09:30,030 And understanding the structure of a social network 194 00:09:30,030 --> 00:09:33,960 can help us to sort of see both how, how people 195 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,340 or groups are connected to each other, 196 00:09:35,340 --> 00:09:38,610 but also how it provides a, a sort of map to start with 197 00:09:38,610 --> 00:09:42,090 to understand how information is flowing from node to node 198 00:09:42,090 --> 00:09:45,450 and where there might be barriers along those edges, right? 199 00:09:45,450 --> 00:09:47,070 Like there might be a connection there, 200 00:09:47,070 --> 00:09:48,450 but it's not really being activated 201 00:09:48,450 --> 00:09:49,860 for some reason or another. 202 00:09:49,860 --> 00:09:50,840 And so today what we're going 203 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:52,960 to do is spend some time thinking about like 204 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:54,706 what this looks like for you individually 205 00:09:54,706 --> 00:09:56,430 and then building that into a 206 00:09:56,430 --> 00:09:57,870 little bit of a larger network. 207 00:09:57,870 --> 00:10:00,720 And then thinking about that in the specific case 208 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,581 of tree mortality events and how is information flowing 209 00:10:03,581 --> 00:10:06,750 and what barriers can we identify as we start to think about 210 00:10:06,750 --> 00:10:08,940 what it would look like to develop a network 211 00:10:08,940 --> 00:10:11,243 that would be able to respond quickly to 212 00:10:11,243 --> 00:10:13,833 acute tree mortality events. 213 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:18,540 So I was, I just wanted to mention, 214 00:10:18,540 --> 00:10:21,240 I'm not super closely familiar with this case study, 215 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,990 but we've been partnering with a working group 216 00:10:24,990 --> 00:10:26,640 that's been focusing on emerald ash for, 217 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:28,080 and they have some connections to folks 218 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,300 who have done other work related to social networks 219 00:10:30,300 --> 00:10:31,590 to address environmental issues. 220 00:10:31,590 --> 00:10:32,910 And this was one of the ones 221 00:10:32,910 --> 00:10:34,680 that was sort of brought to our attention. 222 00:10:34,680 --> 00:10:37,530 So this kind of social network mapping was used 223 00:10:37,530 --> 00:10:39,330 to address issues that were happening 224 00:10:39,330 --> 00:10:40,895 with Atlantic Salmon Recovery, 225 00:10:40,895 --> 00:10:43,230 where there was information was not really flowing 226 00:10:43,230 --> 00:10:44,460 efficiently through the system 227 00:10:44,460 --> 00:10:45,720 between the different partners. 228 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:50,250 And as a result, recovery was really, they were having a lot 229 00:10:50,250 --> 00:10:51,330 of trouble having success with 230 00:10:51,330 --> 00:10:53,040 the recovery goals that they had. 231 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,080 And so this mapping and understanding 232 00:10:55,080 --> 00:10:56,910 where those barriers were was a really important 233 00:10:56,910 --> 00:10:58,533 part of solving that problem. 234 00:11:00,330 --> 00:11:03,040 So that's sort of the framework we're looking at. 235 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,180 We're gonna think about, again, applying that to, 236 00:11:06,180 --> 00:11:07,290 we're gonna start kind of broad 237 00:11:07,290 --> 00:11:09,030 and then think about applying it to specific, 238 00:11:09,030 --> 00:11:10,530 sort of a more specific idea. 239 00:11:10,530 --> 00:11:12,780 And Alyssa's gonna walk us through a bunch 240 00:11:12,780 --> 00:11:14,340 of exercises to get there. 241 00:11:14,340 --> 00:11:15,173 Great. 242 00:11:18,390 --> 00:11:22,417 [Alyssa] So yes, so phase one we are going to sort 243 00:11:24,090 --> 00:11:26,130 of start forming that network map. 244 00:11:26,130 --> 00:11:30,640 And so as an activity, we've got notepads here 245 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:32,910 and I just want you 246 00:11:32,910 --> 00:11:36,720 to think about your network and think of yourself. 247 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:41,653 You are a node, nodes can also be institutions 248 00:11:43,050 --> 00:11:45,930 or example a university extension office 249 00:11:45,930 --> 00:11:48,180 or a state agency, that can be a node. 250 00:11:48,180 --> 00:11:51,033 But also individuals can be nodes, 251 00:11:52,350 --> 00:11:54,720 could be colleagues, neighbors, 252 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,210 members of your knitting group. 253 00:11:57,210 --> 00:12:00,000 -So those are- -That's a response 254 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:01,550 -you were telling- -Thinking. 255 00:12:01,550 --> 00:12:03,400 As I said, thinking broadly to start, 256 00:12:05,897 --> 00:12:06,730 you never know what you might 257 00:12:06,730 --> 00:12:07,563 -Learn- -Yeah. 258 00:12:07,563 --> 00:12:12,030 [Alyssa] At your knitting group or your card club 259 00:12:12,030 --> 00:12:14,700 or your book club or whatever, you know, there. 260 00:12:14,700 --> 00:12:16,680 So, so think broadly, 261 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:20,130 and it doesn't have to be about tree mortality at this 262 00:12:20,130 --> 00:12:22,953 point, just like thinking about your network. 263 00:12:24,225 --> 00:12:26,310 [Jen] Yeah, the question is about context 264 00:12:27,354 --> 00:12:28,187 because I think this came up yesterday in our meeting 265 00:12:28,187 --> 00:12:31,590 and sort of understanding what the overall purpose 266 00:12:31,590 --> 00:12:33,390 of this project is. 267 00:12:33,390 --> 00:12:35,484 Like what are the goals if, 268 00:12:35,484 --> 00:12:36,317 because I think there was some confusion 269 00:12:36,317 --> 00:12:37,290 that the purpose was 270 00:12:37,290 --> 00:12:40,830 to create some new rapid response network. 271 00:12:40,830 --> 00:12:43,410 But I don't know that that's what the goal really is. 272 00:12:43,410 --> 00:12:46,110 Can you provide context on what the sort of purpose 273 00:12:46,110 --> 00:12:48,480 of the project really is focusing on 274 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:50,640 and why we're sort here to inform that? 275 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,230 [Alyssa] So the idea is 276 00:12:54,420 --> 00:12:59,420 that there are tree mortality events that happen that then 277 00:12:59,580 --> 00:13:04,203 sort of, nobody knows who to go to, what to do. 278 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,530 Should there be monitoring that gets implemented? 279 00:13:07,530 --> 00:13:10,413 Should there be treatment that happens? 280 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:16,573 And so this, the purpose of the group is to, 281 00:13:17,722 --> 00:13:19,590 you know, really pull it together. 282 00:13:19,590 --> 00:13:24,590 Like how can we support, like what is needed, 283 00:13:25,500 --> 00:13:27,866 what information is needed, what, 284 00:13:27,866 --> 00:13:32,866 who, what do you need to know about who to talk to to get 285 00:13:34,170 --> 00:13:35,520 that information to flow. 286 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,800 And yeah, 287 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:39,270 [Jen] So at the Ag is that there's already 288 00:13:39,270 --> 00:13:42,682 all of these programs, the, you know, you already 289 00:13:42,682 --> 00:13:43,515 talked about the incident response. 290 00:13:43,515 --> 00:13:44,910 There's already all these different things. 291 00:13:44,910 --> 00:13:46,460 Some happening at the federal level, 292 00:13:46,460 --> 00:13:49,620 some at the state level, some I don't even know, right? 293 00:13:49,620 --> 00:13:51,960 So we're just trying to get a lay of the landscape 294 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:53,700 of what's currently out there. 295 00:13:53,700 --> 00:13:55,530 How do you then connect them 296 00:13:55,530 --> 00:14:00,330 and identify sort of which is the best, best edge that 297 00:14:00,330 --> 00:14:02,091 what you call it connection, no node? 298 00:14:02,091 --> 00:14:04,800 -Edge. -Edge. It is an edge. 299 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,490 How do you like, make sure the edge has no barriers 300 00:14:07,490 --> 00:14:09,570 or that if edges are missing, they could, 301 00:14:09,570 --> 00:14:11,070 we could add edges in? 302 00:14:11,070 --> 00:14:13,503 [Alyssa] I mean, that's some of 303 00:14:13,503 --> 00:14:14,880 what we'll do today in this exercise, 304 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:18,175 but it's also maybe a next step type thing. 305 00:14:18,175 --> 00:14:19,008 -Okay. -Okay. 306 00:14:19,008 --> 00:14:19,841 So, so yeah, at this point it's trying 307 00:14:19,841 --> 00:14:22,440 to understand like what are the networks that already exist, 308 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:23,730 the ones that are obviously relevant 309 00:14:23,730 --> 00:14:26,790 and maybe ones that are not obviously relevant. 310 00:14:26,790 --> 00:14:30,000 Because in some cases we may need to be activating people 311 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,060 who, you know, own smaller private plots of land. 312 00:14:33,060 --> 00:14:34,170 And like how do we get access 313 00:14:34,170 --> 00:14:36,390 to those people particular if they're not already connected 314 00:14:36,390 --> 00:14:39,390 into, you know, a network of foresters 315 00:14:39,390 --> 00:14:41,490 and they don't really know who to reach out to 316 00:14:41,490 --> 00:14:42,570 and their main point of contact. 317 00:14:42,570 --> 00:14:44,190 Maybe if they've gotten that for far 318 00:14:44,190 --> 00:14:47,624 as a local extension office maybe, right? 319 00:14:47,624 --> 00:14:48,510 Like in a lot of cases they might 320 00:14:48,510 --> 00:14:49,740 not even really know to do that. 321 00:14:49,740 --> 00:14:53,250 So the idea is to get a map of what the network is. 322 00:14:53,250 --> 00:14:55,170 And we won't be able to build that today. 323 00:14:55,170 --> 00:14:56,640 But just starting to think about what some 324 00:14:56,640 --> 00:14:59,070 of those nodes are generally, 325 00:14:59,070 --> 00:15:01,740 and then what are the barriers to information moving through 326 00:15:01,740 --> 00:15:04,020 that system and identifying what's 327 00:15:04,020 --> 00:15:05,340 needed at any given moment. 328 00:15:05,340 --> 00:15:07,140 Which again, maybe is monitoring 329 00:15:07,140 --> 00:15:09,343 or maybe it's information or whatever. 330 00:15:09,343 --> 00:15:11,633 And that could be different for different kinds of events. 331 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:15,840 [Alyssa] For the EAB case study, 332 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:17,160 which I know we're not focused on 333 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:19,110 that much, but just more for context of like 334 00:15:19,110 --> 00:15:20,406 how we're thinking about this. 335 00:15:20,406 --> 00:15:24,840 Was their goal to like treat the 336 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:26,940 ash like certain ash trees? 337 00:15:26,940 --> 00:15:27,840 Yeah, it was, 338 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:29,370 -there were monitor- -There were a lot 339 00:15:29,370 --> 00:15:31,350 of different pieces to it 340 00:15:31,350 --> 00:15:33,240 because there was, they were working closely 341 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:34,410 with tribal relations 342 00:15:34,410 --> 00:15:38,820 and so like, I think there was some seed saving 343 00:15:38,820 --> 00:15:42,030 and trying to capture seeds. 344 00:15:42,030 --> 00:15:47,010 And then I think there was also, if they thought 345 00:15:47,010 --> 00:15:50,850 that there was an area that was at high risk of being lost, 346 00:15:50,850 --> 00:15:55,410 capturing the, what was needed for basket making from 347 00:15:55,410 --> 00:15:56,940 before it was lost. 348 00:15:56,940 --> 00:15:58,620 So there was a little bit of, you know, 349 00:15:58,620 --> 00:15:59,823 that sort of stuff too. 350 00:16:04,063 --> 00:16:05,940 [Thom] I still think it makes that very difficult 351 00:16:05,940 --> 00:16:09,423 because, you know, if you're looking to start ground floor, 352 00:16:09,423 --> 00:16:14,423 you know, there was various responses from each state as to 353 00:16:15,150 --> 00:16:19,350 how they handled, you know, that that kickoff. 354 00:16:19,350 --> 00:16:23,020 And I think that's where this was gonna be very difficult. 355 00:16:23,020 --> 00:16:25,200 But I think Kyle was the one that brought it up yesterday, 356 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:28,590 if I recall that, you know, yeah. 357 00:16:28,590 --> 00:16:31,530 There's, so to speak, other platforms that have tried 358 00:16:31,530 --> 00:16:36,410 to do this and you know, it's because in a whole, 359 00:16:37,590 --> 00:16:38,640 the region is large 360 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:42,404 and that everybody's gonna come across different barriers. 361 00:16:42,404 --> 00:16:43,950 You know, it's gonna be based on your state, 362 00:16:43,950 --> 00:16:47,340 what you're allowed to do first and foremost. 363 00:16:47,340 --> 00:16:51,750 You know, whether it's public, private, the national land. 364 00:16:51,750 --> 00:16:53,390 I mean, I, I think there's, there's a lot 365 00:16:53,390 --> 00:16:54,681 of barriers here that's gonna make it difficult 366 00:16:54,681 --> 00:16:58,473 to put this in a region-wide context. 367 00:16:59,610 --> 00:17:01,508 [Attendee] I was, I jump in so 368 00:17:01,508 --> 00:17:03,060 I was thinking the same thing. 369 00:17:03,060 --> 00:17:05,520 because there are regulatory authority issues, 370 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,500 there are funding issues. 371 00:17:07,500 --> 00:17:10,063 A lot of our funding funnels through the USDA, 372 00:17:10,063 --> 00:17:11,880 APHIS, PPQ to us. 373 00:17:11,880 --> 00:17:14,490 But there's, there's guidelines that we have to stay within, 374 00:17:14,490 --> 00:17:18,630 you know, and so those restrictions, 375 00:17:18,630 --> 00:17:21,330 whether they're regulatory or funding, kinda limit- 376 00:17:21,330 --> 00:17:23,700 -Exactly. -How we can relate 377 00:17:23,700 --> 00:17:27,060 to, you know, different organizations and different entities 378 00:17:27,060 --> 00:17:28,800 and even how we can spend money. 379 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:32,225 We might be able to spend it on things but not staff. Yeah. 380 00:17:32,225 --> 00:17:33,058 That sort of thing. 381 00:17:33,058 --> 00:17:35,370 So that all kind of comes into play. 382 00:17:35,370 --> 00:17:38,460 So, and backing up a little bit, 383 00:17:38,460 --> 00:17:40,884 the way you were describing this in an ICS 384 00:17:40,884 --> 00:17:45,130 incident management team situation, it would be more of 385 00:17:46,196 --> 00:17:48,693 a MAC, a multi-agency coordination group. 386 00:17:50,242 --> 00:17:52,110 And because it would be like all the stakeholders sitting 387 00:17:52,110 --> 00:17:54,570 down and, and you know, putting, okay, this is, 388 00:17:54,570 --> 00:17:56,880 this is my package on the table, this is my package, 389 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:58,560 this is what I have to offer, this is what I have 390 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:00,978 to offer and this is what I need. 391 00:18:00,978 --> 00:18:03,538 And then basically they coordinate amongst each other, 392 00:18:03,538 --> 00:18:06,174 how did we meet all those needs with what they have. 393 00:18:06,174 --> 00:18:08,914 And then it's up to the incident management, you know, 394 00:18:08,914 --> 00:18:11,160 that goes through the incident from the MAC 395 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:12,420 to the incident commander, 396 00:18:12,420 --> 00:18:15,660 to the actual incident management team 397 00:18:15,660 --> 00:18:17,684 to get those things done on the ground. 398 00:18:17,684 --> 00:18:18,517 So. 399 00:18:18,517 --> 00:18:21,270 [Attendee] And similarly, just as you said, there's, 400 00:18:21,270 --> 00:18:24,663 and Kyle brought it up yesterday with the Northeast Compact, 401 00:18:25,710 --> 00:18:28,770 which, you know, it's, I don't know what states are involved 402 00:18:28,770 --> 00:18:30,360 to be quite honest at this point in time, 403 00:18:30,360 --> 00:18:33,330 but it brings in some of the provinces as well. 404 00:18:33,330 --> 00:18:36,810 And you know, they do have something similar 405 00:18:36,810 --> 00:18:38,823 and it does work off the ICS system. 406 00:18:39,780 --> 00:18:42,333 So, I mean, that one's kind of in place as. 407 00:18:46,470 --> 00:18:47,902 [Jen] Is this fascinating? 408 00:18:47,902 --> 00:18:52,902 I don't want to I don't want to derail the activities 409 00:18:53,004 --> 00:18:55,770 that you have, but I just, I I have so many questions. 410 00:18:55,770 --> 00:18:59,460 I mean, this, this MAC I think you went for acronyms. 411 00:18:59,460 --> 00:19:01,578 -Yeah. -(group laughing) 412 00:19:01,578 --> 00:19:05,031 -Trying- To explain. -So this MAC, 413 00:19:05,031 --> 00:19:07,305 this multi agency coordination group. 414 00:19:07,305 --> 00:19:08,303 Yep. 415 00:19:08,303 --> 00:19:09,510 Okay, So who, who calls that 416 00:19:09,510 --> 00:19:11,730 and what triggers that to be called? 417 00:19:11,730 --> 00:19:14,700 And then who pays for it, someone's gotta pay for, 418 00:19:14,700 --> 00:19:18,060 and then who did else do they talk to besides themselves? 419 00:19:18,060 --> 00:19:20,184 These are, I think this is a kind of questions you're trying 420 00:19:20,184 --> 00:19:22,142 to, you're trying to get at. 421 00:19:22,142 --> 00:19:24,150 [Thom] It would be, it would be up 422 00:19:24,150 --> 00:19:25,740 to each individual entity, 423 00:19:25,740 --> 00:19:27,630 how they would pay for it for AG 424 00:19:27,630 --> 00:19:30,510 and markets, depending on what the program is. 425 00:19:30,510 --> 00:19:32,880 Either it's paid for state by state funds 426 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,271 or specific program funds that, that were funded 427 00:19:35,271 --> 00:19:38,130 through a cooperative agreement through the USDA. 428 00:19:38,130 --> 00:19:40,350 [Jen] But that, but, but that would've required 429 00:19:42,134 --> 00:19:43,140 forethought and or an insurance account. 430 00:19:43,140 --> 00:19:45,570 We're talking about something happens this summer 431 00:19:45,570 --> 00:19:47,130 -that we didn't anticipate- -Right. 432 00:19:47,130 --> 00:19:48,960 [Jen] And it's catastrophic 433 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:49,793 and we want to figure out 434 00:19:49,793 --> 00:19:52,220 what the hell's going on, how do we respond to it- 435 00:19:52,220 --> 00:19:54,144 [Thom] But there are USDA funds 436 00:19:54,144 --> 00:19:56,070 and state funds for those situations 437 00:19:56,070 --> 00:19:57,374 [Jen] That go that flow to specifically 438 00:19:57,374 --> 00:19:59,850 the state agencies. 439 00:19:59,850 --> 00:20:02,070 -Yes. -And not anybody else. 440 00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:02,903 -Correct. -So these are 441 00:20:02,903 --> 00:20:04,653 the gate barriers, right? 442 00:20:06,346 --> 00:20:07,179 [Thom] So the, so the, within our regulatory 443 00:20:08,426 --> 00:20:10,099 authority, we're charged with responding 444 00:20:10,099 --> 00:20:10,950 to test outbreaks and things like that. 445 00:20:10,950 --> 00:20:12,480 So the funding is there within, 446 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:14,280 you know, within the state budget. 447 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,730 So, but if it, you know, if it's a catastrophic event 448 00:20:17,730 --> 00:20:21,840 that exceeds that small pool of money 449 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,333 and then we go to the USDA 450 00:20:24,333 --> 00:20:26,940 and, you know, request funds for that. 451 00:20:26,940 --> 00:20:29,490 And sometimes it's denied, sometimes it's approved, 452 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:32,963 it really, and it's usually through a cooperative agreement. 453 00:20:35,935 --> 00:20:37,500 [Attendee] (Indistinct) do you have that for Rhode Island? 454 00:20:37,500 --> 00:20:38,900 Are you the person for that? 455 00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:42,000 This is another like information sharing where I'm like, 456 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:43,530 I don't have that right now. 457 00:20:43,530 --> 00:20:45,390 Maybe I'll get it with my forest health role 458 00:20:45,390 --> 00:20:47,670 that I'm starting in in the spring. 459 00:20:47,670 --> 00:20:50,370 But like, I don't know, in Connecticut we've had that. 460 00:20:52,230 --> 00:20:53,063 [Attendee] We're, you know, I'm, 461 00:20:53,063 --> 00:20:56,940 I've like potentially been aware of like a few attempts 462 00:20:56,940 --> 00:20:58,947 to have like an ICS structure in Rhode Island. 463 00:20:58,947 --> 00:21:02,490 We, we did kind of do that. Or the state mostly did it. 464 00:21:02,490 --> 00:21:06,240 I was with the state at the time, first spotted lantern fly. 465 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,500 And I do think, yeah, if they were kind 466 00:21:09,392 --> 00:21:11,520 of more traditionally, yeah, I would be 467 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:12,900 that person in that role. 468 00:21:12,900 --> 00:21:17,517 But I, I'm kind of curious to learn more about like, 469 00:21:17,517 --> 00:21:19,650 the ICS structure and a response. 470 00:21:19,650 --> 00:21:21,510 Because I've also heard, you know, I know, 471 00:21:21,510 --> 00:21:24,480 like Massachusetts for Southern Pine Beetle initially 472 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,430 with their response had developed an ICS 473 00:21:26,430 --> 00:21:28,781 structure and then they abandoned it. 474 00:21:28,781 --> 00:21:30,030 So I wish somebody from there was 475 00:21:30,030 --> 00:21:31,313 -here today to- -That was Mass? 476 00:21:31,313 --> 00:21:33,503 [Attendee] Yeah, to tell why they, 477 00:21:33,503 --> 00:21:36,160 maybe they morphed it into something a little bit. 478 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:37,890 It is just all, you know, hearsay. 479 00:21:37,890 --> 00:21:41,130 But I did hear that they didn't use an ICS structure. 480 00:21:41,130 --> 00:21:43,560 And why were those barriers actually? 481 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:45,420 -Yeah. -I've been on instance 482 00:21:45,420 --> 00:21:47,177 where things went really, 483 00:21:47,177 --> 00:21:48,090 really smoothly with many agencies 484 00:21:48,090 --> 00:21:50,092 and then others where there were less agencies 485 00:21:50,092 --> 00:21:52,890 and it was a horror show. 486 00:21:52,890 --> 00:21:54,360 A lot of times it, it involves, 487 00:21:54,360 --> 00:21:57,450 because the whole ICS structure is you can plug people into 488 00:21:57,450 --> 00:22:00,795 positions that have nothing to do with their day job. 489 00:22:00,795 --> 00:22:02,280 -You know- -Can you give 490 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,540 like a concrete example? 491 00:22:03,540 --> 00:22:05,111 Can you have one? 492 00:22:05,111 --> 00:22:07,380 [Attendee] Forest, the forest service and fire? 493 00:22:07,380 --> 00:22:10,140 [Thom] Well, well just, no even spot even more close, 494 00:22:10,140 --> 00:22:13,140 more related to what we do for spotted lantern fly. 495 00:22:13,140 --> 00:22:15,600 We were coordinating with New York State DEC, 496 00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:19,328 New York State, sorry, USDA within New York State 497 00:22:19,328 --> 00:22:22,456 and AG and Markets and Parks. 498 00:22:22,456 --> 00:22:25,260 Some of the people that were put into those roles had no 499 00:22:25,260 --> 00:22:27,660 understanding of those roles. 500 00:22:27,660 --> 00:22:29,509 And they were trying to operate under their normal 501 00:22:29,509 --> 00:22:33,030 USDA structure or their normal state structure, 502 00:22:33,030 --> 00:22:34,870 and they weren't relating to the role 503 00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:36,870 that they were plugged into. 504 00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:41,070 Whether it was a, a section chief where, you know, 505 00:22:41,070 --> 00:22:43,140 they're not out doing the field work. 506 00:22:43,140 --> 00:22:44,550 They're coordinating others 507 00:22:44,550 --> 00:22:46,140 that are going out and doing the field work. 508 00:22:46,140 --> 00:22:47,340 And those people would disappear 509 00:22:47,340 --> 00:22:48,840 because they'd be out in the field trying to help 510 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:51,630 and it wasn't helping, it was hindering. 511 00:22:51,630 --> 00:22:53,370 [Attendee] Right. It's like an emergency detail 512 00:22:53,370 --> 00:22:54,300 -Yes. -Regular person, 513 00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:56,700 but they need people to quickly do something else. 514 00:22:56,700 --> 00:22:58,685 -Right. -They pulled from 515 00:22:58,685 --> 00:22:59,518 your job to do something else 516 00:22:59,518 --> 00:23:00,996 so you'd have any clue what you're doing. 517 00:23:00,996 --> 00:23:02,580 And it sounds like it's hit or miss. 518 00:23:02,580 --> 00:23:03,413 -Right, right. -Well, yes and no, 519 00:23:03,413 --> 00:23:07,710 but those ITS classifications- 520 00:23:07,710 --> 00:23:09,450 -Yeah. -As he mentioned 521 00:23:09,450 --> 00:23:13,680 Section Chief and so on, everybody has a defined role. 522 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:15,810 It's a matter of just making sure that those people stay 523 00:23:15,810 --> 00:23:17,344 with those defined roles. 524 00:23:17,344 --> 00:23:18,177 -Yeah. -So you've got a 525 00:23:18,177 --> 00:23:20,730 finance officer that person 526 00:23:20,730 --> 00:23:23,520 is charged to, you know, figure out these costs, 527 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,210 what it's gonna take to, to, you know, 528 00:23:26,210 --> 00:23:28,530 if you're using a fire, for example, to get an engine 529 00:23:28,530 --> 00:23:32,273 to a certain location or you've got well, in which way, 530 00:23:32,273 --> 00:23:36,570 I mean, there's defined roles for each classification. 531 00:23:36,570 --> 00:23:38,790 [Thom] And when people start stepping outta those boxes, 532 00:23:38,790 --> 00:23:40,740 that's when things go off the rails. 533 00:23:40,740 --> 00:23:42,420 And, and they're not just plugging people in, 534 00:23:42,420 --> 00:23:44,727 you know, here go do a job you're not trained to do, 535 00:23:44,727 --> 00:23:47,790 the people that predicate those positions are capable 536 00:23:47,790 --> 00:23:49,110 of doing those roles. 537 00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:50,580 -Sure. -But it might not 538 00:23:50,580 --> 00:23:54,930 be what their daytime, you know, everyday job is. 539 00:23:54,930 --> 00:23:56,610 -Right. -Sometimes it is. 540 00:23:56,610 --> 00:23:59,331 For us, typically within New York State AG 541 00:23:59,331 --> 00:24:03,300 and Markets, the finance person is our admin person 542 00:24:03,300 --> 00:24:05,280 who normally handles finances. 543 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:06,810 So it makes sense. 544 00:24:06,810 --> 00:24:09,900 But we sometimes have, you know, 545 00:24:09,900 --> 00:24:12,330 strike team leaders that are assistant horticulture 546 00:24:12,330 --> 00:24:16,110 inspectors and they have horticulture inspectors 547 00:24:16,110 --> 00:24:17,460 reporting to them. 548 00:24:17,460 --> 00:24:19,530 So kind of the roles are reversed. 549 00:24:19,530 --> 00:24:21,120 Or you, or you could have a supervisor 550 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:24,030 as a survey team member, not as a, 551 00:24:24,030 --> 00:24:25,380 you know, a section chief. 552 00:24:25,380 --> 00:24:29,971 And you could, so sometimes, you know the mentality of, 553 00:24:29,971 --> 00:24:31,615 well, you know, you're my boss. 554 00:24:31,615 --> 00:24:32,448 -Well no, not today. -Right, right. 555 00:24:32,448 --> 00:24:34,560 [Thom] Like it changing those gears sometime, 556 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,661 -really were changing- -And that that concept- 557 00:24:38,661 --> 00:24:40,159 [Thom] That's when things sometimes go off the rail. 558 00:24:40,159 --> 00:24:41,386 -Yeah. -And you know, 559 00:24:41,386 --> 00:24:43,200 and we had that on the spotted lantern fly incident 560 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:47,550 where there was some USDA folks that were not used 561 00:24:47,550 --> 00:24:49,080 to cooperating well with others. 562 00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,450 They were trying to run us like, like, well you, 563 00:24:51,450 --> 00:24:52,950 you handle your people we'll handle our people. 564 00:24:52,950 --> 00:24:54,588 I'm like, well no, we're all the same, 565 00:24:54,588 --> 00:24:55,560 we're all on the same team. 566 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:56,700 -Yeah. -Like that whole 567 00:24:56,700 --> 00:24:58,432 one team concept, 568 00:24:58,432 --> 00:25:00,835 there were two people in particular 569 00:25:00,835 --> 00:25:04,410 and one of them doesn't even work for the USDA anymore. 570 00:25:04,410 --> 00:25:05,820 -Just couldn't grasp that. -Yeah. 571 00:25:05,820 --> 00:25:08,340 [Thom] And it was, it was really causing, you know, 572 00:25:08,340 --> 00:25:09,870 -an issue with the response. -Yeah. 573 00:25:09,870 --> 00:25:12,180 I understand that the importance of having sort 574 00:25:12,180 --> 00:25:15,240 of a similar structure in these agencies, you know, 575 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,600 they're all governmental agencies, but I'm just, I cannot 576 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,773 but think of what a missed opportunity it is 577 00:25:21,773 --> 00:25:24,660 to not include people who are not in any government agency, 578 00:25:24,660 --> 00:25:27,360 like academics, research, you know, scientists, 579 00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:29,040 practitioners who might actually be there 580 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,290 and have some perspective to add 581 00:25:31,290 --> 00:25:33,390 or ability even just to help with field work. 582 00:25:33,390 --> 00:25:35,370 I just feel like it's really exclusive. 583 00:25:35,370 --> 00:25:38,640 [Thom] No, I disagree. because we include those people. 584 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,844 So there's a role, a specific ICS role 585 00:25:41,844 --> 00:25:45,740 as a subject matter expert, SME, 586 00:25:45,740 --> 00:25:48,180 subject matter expert. 587 00:25:48,180 --> 00:25:52,955 And those people from academia, from other outside areas. 588 00:25:52,955 --> 00:25:55,671 You know what, it could even be private industry. 589 00:25:55,671 --> 00:25:59,069 If there's a contractor that that's hired to be spraying 590 00:25:59,069 --> 00:26:00,930 or pesticide application, 591 00:26:00,930 --> 00:26:03,690 those people can be brought into the ICS structure. 592 00:26:03,690 --> 00:26:05,940 So can, in New York state we have prisms. 593 00:26:05,940 --> 00:26:08,130 So they're not, they're, they're kind of quasi government. 594 00:26:08,130 --> 00:26:10,590 They're funded through environmental protection funds 595 00:26:10,590 --> 00:26:13,710 through the DEC, but they're not a government agency. 596 00:26:13,710 --> 00:26:16,650 And they're networks of private public 597 00:26:16,650 --> 00:26:19,080 and governmental agencies. 598 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,240 You know, sometimes it's the soil and water district. 599 00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,030 Sometimes it's the private contractor sometimes, excuse me, 600 00:26:24,030 --> 00:26:26,010 sometimes it's just the volunteer. 601 00:26:26,010 --> 00:26:28,590 But those prism networks can also be brought in. 602 00:26:28,590 --> 00:26:32,070 And we've used those on spot micro flag responses. 603 00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:35,066 Particularly there's the Lower Hudson Prism has 604 00:26:35,066 --> 00:26:38,820 trained detector dogs for invasive species. 605 00:26:38,820 --> 00:26:39,750 -Yep. -And we've used 606 00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:42,720 the conservation dogs within the ICS response. 607 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:44,010 -So those- -So they're set up 608 00:26:44,010 --> 00:26:44,843 in advance too 609 00:26:44,843 --> 00:26:47,640 -and funded through- -It's not set up in advance. 610 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,610 It's, it grows and contracts as needed. 611 00:26:50,610 --> 00:26:54,192 So if there's a need to bring in the detector dogs 612 00:26:54,192 --> 00:26:57,120 as determined by the objectives of the incident, 613 00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,250 then it's up to the operation section chief 614 00:26:59,250 --> 00:27:02,730 to request those through logistics. 615 00:27:02,730 --> 00:27:06,360 And then if they have to be paid for, finance pays for it, 616 00:27:06,360 --> 00:27:10,650 logistics brings it in the planning section, tracks it, 617 00:27:10,650 --> 00:27:13,380 and then operation section use the- 618 00:27:13,380 --> 00:27:14,801 [Attendee] Yeah. 619 00:27:14,801 --> 00:27:18,720 But there are already relationships, and maybe this is true 620 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,728 because it's the prism or whatever- 621 00:27:20,728 --> 00:27:21,570 -Yeah. -But like there 622 00:27:21,570 --> 00:27:23,370 for some of the other instances 623 00:27:23,370 --> 00:27:26,760 for the subject matter experts, that if there's a consultant 624 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:28,380 or an academic, like there, there has 625 00:27:28,380 --> 00:27:32,854 to already be a relationship that exists 626 00:27:32,854 --> 00:27:35,880 in order for them to know to go to them, 627 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:36,990 -right? -I think that's where 628 00:27:36,990 --> 00:27:39,254 -the nodes and edges come in. -Exactly. 629 00:27:39,254 --> 00:27:41,754 Because they might be outside that normal orbit- 630 00:27:43,132 --> 00:27:44,408 -Right. -Of you know, 631 00:27:44,408 --> 00:27:45,409 -that agency. -Right. 632 00:27:45,409 --> 00:27:47,670 But they, you know, those pockets of people know people, 633 00:27:47,670 --> 00:27:48,690 it could be their neighbors. 634 00:27:48,690 --> 00:27:49,523 -Right. -It could be, you know, 635 00:27:49,523 --> 00:27:51,060 somebody that they went to college with. 636 00:27:51,060 --> 00:27:52,980 -Right. -It could be, you know, 637 00:27:52,980 --> 00:27:54,690 someone they saw at a conference like this. 638 00:27:54,690 --> 00:27:56,100 -Yeah. -And they could tap them 639 00:27:56,100 --> 00:27:57,450 and say, Hey, would you be interested in, 640 00:27:57,450 --> 00:27:59,880 in filling this role as either a subject matter 641 00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,300 -expert or a contractor, so- -That's awesome. 642 00:28:03,300 --> 00:28:04,199 So awesome, but on my mind is like literally 643 00:28:04,199 --> 00:28:06,383 going conflicted interest. 644 00:28:06,383 --> 00:28:08,040 I went to college with you, 645 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,400 I want to now have my agency pay you 646 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,540 to be our subject matter expert. 647 00:28:12,540 --> 00:28:16,657 I'm just thinking of the barrier. Sorry. (laughing) 648 00:28:16,657 --> 00:28:18,039 [Thom] But there might not be, 649 00:28:18,039 --> 00:28:18,930 there might not be paying for that. 650 00:28:18,930 --> 00:28:22,900 It might be they, they're doing it on their outside agency's 651 00:28:24,210 --> 00:28:27,139 dime or like a contractor. 652 00:28:27,139 --> 00:28:29,422 -Yeah. -They may give, you know, 653 00:28:29,422 --> 00:28:30,466 they would be reimbursed, 654 00:28:30,466 --> 00:28:32,340 but that would be through the kind of the situation I, 655 00:28:32,340 --> 00:28:35,070 you know, operations deems it necessary. 656 00:28:35,070 --> 00:28:38,430 They request it through logistics finance and say yes 657 00:28:38,430 --> 00:28:40,170 or no, thumbs up, thumbs down. 658 00:28:40,170 --> 00:28:41,003 Yes, we have the funds for that. 659 00:28:41,003 --> 00:28:44,430 Or, you know, we can't fund that spring and it ends. 660 00:28:44,430 --> 00:28:46,080 If they can fund the springing, then they have 661 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,437 to find a contractor sometimes, depending on the, 662 00:28:48,437 --> 00:28:50,700 on the dollar amount that has to go out to bid. 663 00:28:50,700 --> 00:28:52,980 -I was gonna say- -But in a small scale, 664 00:28:52,980 --> 00:28:54,900 -like if a tree with two trees. -Yeah. 665 00:28:54,900 --> 00:28:57,383 [Thom] A lot of times it doesn't. 666 00:28:57,383 --> 00:28:58,216 So especially on a rapid 667 00:28:58,216 --> 00:28:59,049 response, you know, if it's a bigger 668 00:28:59,049 --> 00:29:00,300 incident, a longer term thing. 669 00:29:00,300 --> 00:29:02,310 -Yeah. -I was in Montana 670 00:29:02,310 --> 00:29:05,520 and we had planes spraying for grasshoppers. 671 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,487 You know, those contracts were put into place. 672 00:29:08,487 --> 00:29:09,486 -Sure. -But they already 673 00:29:09,486 --> 00:29:10,502 knew the contractors 674 00:29:10,502 --> 00:29:13,385 because it was a perennial issue and they already, 675 00:29:13,385 --> 00:29:14,218 and they, those contractors 676 00:29:14,218 --> 00:29:15,420 have to be registered with the state. 677 00:29:15,420 --> 00:29:17,970 So they had a, you know, preexisting list 678 00:29:17,970 --> 00:29:20,010 of those specific contractors. 679 00:29:20,010 --> 00:29:22,560 Just like in New York state, we would have a list 680 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,933 of certified pesticide applicators. 681 00:29:25,838 --> 00:29:28,680 Sure, so is this Jeff, is this similar? 682 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,203 Like does this same system happen in Maine? 683 00:29:34,350 --> 00:29:36,050 [Jeff] To a certain extent, yes. 684 00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:39,570 [Attendee] Can you say but what, why the hesitation? 685 00:29:39,570 --> 00:29:41,610 [Jeff] Well, because every incident 686 00:29:41,610 --> 00:29:43,140 -is different. -Yep. 687 00:29:43,140 --> 00:29:47,880 [Jeff] I mean, it's gonna be based on size, severity. 688 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:51,150 I mean, I guess I, I personally find it hard 689 00:29:51,150 --> 00:29:52,900 that we can lump this all into one. 690 00:29:53,756 --> 00:29:54,870 -I mean- -Yeah- 691 00:29:54,870 --> 00:29:56,534 [Jeff] Go back to like our, 692 00:29:56,534 --> 00:29:58,830 our first detection to BAB. 693 00:29:58,830 --> 00:30:02,310 We got a call from our Canadian counterpart saying 694 00:30:02,310 --> 00:30:04,726 that they found it across the border. 695 00:30:04,726 --> 00:30:06,450 So we pulled together our field staff 696 00:30:06,450 --> 00:30:08,490 and we sent them to the north for week. 697 00:30:08,490 --> 00:30:11,930 And we laid out a plan ourselves, what we were gonna do. 698 00:30:11,930 --> 00:30:14,310 And I mean, we were there the first day we found it. 699 00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:19,260 We were, you know, that's how that one worked. 700 00:30:19,260 --> 00:30:22,654 You know, every, everything is a little different. 701 00:30:22,654 --> 00:30:23,487 -Yeah. -At least on 702 00:30:23,487 --> 00:30:25,890 the Forest Health side. 703 00:30:25,890 --> 00:30:27,900 I think you could look at anything. 704 00:30:27,900 --> 00:30:31,440 BLD our first detection was a landowner. 705 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,590 Saw some information we sent to crew out, you know, 706 00:30:34,590 --> 00:30:36,907 to take a look while went to look at it. 707 00:30:36,907 --> 00:30:39,480 You know, I think, yeah, I guess 708 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,670 unless it's a major, major event, 709 00:30:41,670 --> 00:30:44,124 I think it's gonna be hard to do. 710 00:30:44,124 --> 00:30:49,124 But, you know, at least statewide, 711 00:30:49,186 --> 00:30:50,460 you know, we work a lot with New Hampshire 712 00:30:50,460 --> 00:30:52,605 because they're in between us. 713 00:30:52,605 --> 00:30:56,400 So if if something's on the horizon commonly reach out to us 714 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,020 to let us know or you know, we, 715 00:30:58,020 --> 00:31:00,450 or something we tend to share with them. 716 00:31:00,450 --> 00:31:03,990 So, but, but I think that kind of happened already. 717 00:31:03,990 --> 00:31:04,980 -Yeah. -To a certain extent. 718 00:31:04,980 --> 00:31:07,500 And you know, to be honest, 719 00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:09,873 I said one of the greatest things about the, 720 00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,120 being on the coordinator call is actually having the ability 721 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,400 to talk with everybody else there. 722 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,020 Yeah, I think that that's, you know, we hear stuff 723 00:31:22,772 --> 00:31:24,300 from the other co-coordinators. 724 00:31:24,300 --> 00:31:28,500 Coordinators and we go back and relate it to our folks. 725 00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:30,870 So I, I guess that's, you know, I'll, I'll go that route. 726 00:31:30,870 --> 00:31:33,660 But yeah, I, I think personally, I guess I find 727 00:31:33,660 --> 00:31:36,280 that this is gonna be a difficult task 728 00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:41,040 because every state is gonna have different barriers 729 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,060 that's gonna make, you know, following that pathway- 730 00:31:45,060 --> 00:31:46,080 -Yeah. -Much harder. 731 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,270 But yeah, I mean, it is possible 732 00:31:48,270 --> 00:31:51,120 to show, you know, who our nodes are- 733 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,884 -Yeah. -You know, 734 00:31:52,884 --> 00:31:53,717 how we work things out. 735 00:31:53,717 --> 00:31:57,800 But I think as far as a region wide plan, I think I, 736 00:31:59,540 --> 00:32:01,253 I don't know if it's feasible or if it's necessary, it's, 737 00:32:02,534 --> 00:32:03,367 the other piece might not be necessary. 738 00:32:04,963 --> 00:32:05,796 Yeah. To, to, to a certain extent. 739 00:32:05,796 --> 00:32:06,629 I mean, because I think every state agency 740 00:32:06,629 --> 00:32:10,770 or whatever is gonna have to abide by their guidelines. 741 00:32:10,770 --> 00:32:12,330 -Yeah. -Before, you know, 742 00:32:12,330 --> 00:32:14,130 before they can jump on somebody else's plan 743 00:32:14,130 --> 00:32:16,363 and say, this is what we're gonna do. 744 00:32:16,363 --> 00:32:18,778 I mean, I, I know if we had something pop up all 745 00:32:18,778 --> 00:32:20,010 of a sudden there was no way that I'm gonna, you know, 746 00:32:20,010 --> 00:32:22,899 our group is gonna reach out to another state 747 00:32:22,899 --> 00:32:25,458 and say, this is going on without talking with our, 748 00:32:25,458 --> 00:32:28,080 whether it be our going to our director first 749 00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,430 and then our, our commissioner 750 00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:31,200 and then, then we could even go to our governor 751 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,100 before we have to, 752 00:32:33,082 --> 00:32:35,774 or we're able to push any information out. 753 00:32:35,774 --> 00:32:36,899 [Attendee] Yeah. 754 00:32:36,899 --> 00:32:40,320 I wonder, so like New York is like much larger, 755 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:41,670 probably has a lot more resources, 756 00:32:41,670 --> 00:32:43,467 like the one you talked about. 757 00:32:43,467 --> 00:32:46,200 And I'm also gonna say I'm perfectly fine abandoning 758 00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,360 the plan and we can have an open conversation about this 759 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:50,280 and folks online should chime in also. 760 00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:51,900 I know it can be hard, 761 00:32:51,900 --> 00:32:53,130 but we're keeping an eye on you. 762 00:32:53,130 --> 00:32:54,480 [Attendee] Yeah. 763 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:55,313 And don't feel like you need to read your hands. 764 00:32:55,313 --> 00:32:56,146 You could just talk too. 765 00:32:56,146 --> 00:32:57,340 Yeah. 766 00:32:57,340 --> 00:32:58,620 -We'll notice you. -Yeah. 767 00:32:58,620 --> 00:33:01,380 But I'm wondering if, like, is is the landscape 768 00:33:01,380 --> 00:33:02,640 for like quickly responding 769 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,530 to something really different in Rhode Island 770 00:33:04,530 --> 00:33:05,880 or in Connecticut? 771 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,516 It sounds like you're also kind of figuring out what it is. 772 00:33:09,516 --> 00:33:10,440 [Attendee] Yeah, I don't know if I can speak 773 00:33:11,357 --> 00:33:13,500 to that too much yet with being new the, to the role. 774 00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:14,730 And I also think Connecticut, 775 00:33:14,730 --> 00:33:16,290 I keep saying this like all day, 776 00:33:16,290 --> 00:33:20,007 the past two days is weird structurally in that, like, 777 00:33:20,007 --> 00:33:22,927 I work for the Ag station, which does research 778 00:33:22,927 --> 00:33:25,410 and like we have the entomology department 779 00:33:25,410 --> 00:33:27,870 that everyone focuses on their own thing. 780 00:33:27,870 --> 00:33:31,200 But then there's deep, which is like the forestry division, 781 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,366 like all the forest management. 782 00:33:33,366 --> 00:33:35,027 So it's different agencies. 783 00:33:35,027 --> 00:33:36,025 But yeah, I'm definitely 784 00:33:36,025 --> 00:33:37,444 still figuring out a lay of the land. 785 00:33:37,444 --> 00:33:38,880 But like, I mean, yeah, it must exist. 786 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,310 because like we have people studying like EAB 787 00:33:41,310 --> 00:33:43,020 that are detecting it right away- 788 00:33:43,020 --> 00:33:43,853 -Right. -That are tapping 789 00:33:43,853 --> 00:33:45,693 into their interstate network. 790 00:33:47,604 --> 00:33:48,437 [Attendee] I can't help but think, 791 00:33:48,437 --> 00:33:49,270 I really liked your example 792 00:33:49,270 --> 00:33:50,605 how you just got a call from 793 00:33:50,605 --> 00:33:52,170 somebody from one of the provinces. 794 00:33:52,170 --> 00:33:54,210 -Like that's amazing. -Yeah. 795 00:33:54,210 --> 00:33:56,847 [Attendee] But it was dependent on that one person, 796 00:33:56,847 --> 00:33:57,960 but that doesn't happen 797 00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,676 -all the time either. -That's what I'm saying. 798 00:33:59,676 --> 00:34:00,990 That's what I'm saying. 799 00:34:00,990 --> 00:34:02,700 [Jeff] We just had, you know, 800 00:34:02,700 --> 00:34:07,650 we were on a conference a couple weeks ago that they found 801 00:34:07,650 --> 00:34:09,661 brown spruce longhorn beetle, 802 00:34:09,661 --> 00:34:12,603 and it was probably 30 miles from our border. 803 00:34:13,650 --> 00:34:16,350 We didn't hear a word about it until the conference. 804 00:34:16,350 --> 00:34:19,110 So I mean that it's gonna be hit or miss. 805 00:34:19,110 --> 00:34:21,140 I think again, that's where it's gonna be difficult 806 00:34:21,140 --> 00:34:22,767 for any state. 807 00:34:22,767 --> 00:34:26,580 And I certainly what you just said, the problem is also 808 00:34:26,580 --> 00:34:29,370 for us that we are so divided in our state. 809 00:34:29,370 --> 00:34:31,797 I mean we're, my group is Forest Health 810 00:34:31,797 --> 00:34:35,550 and Monitoring, but we work with our, 811 00:34:35,550 --> 00:34:37,530 well my umbrella is Department 812 00:34:37,530 --> 00:34:39,600 of Agriculture Conservation and Forestry. 813 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:44,310 And within that department there's a lot of other groups. 814 00:34:44,310 --> 00:34:47,163 So, you know, our, on the Ag side, we work 815 00:34:47,163 --> 00:34:48,750 with so many different groups, 816 00:34:48,750 --> 00:34:50,982 division that there's split up. 817 00:34:50,982 --> 00:34:52,500 I can, I can think of three immediately 818 00:34:52,500 --> 00:34:54,900 that we were working on HWA I just, 819 00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:57,400 I just completed a map this morning to update our, 820 00:34:58,625 --> 00:34:59,723 and I sent it off to three different groups 821 00:34:59,723 --> 00:35:01,980 because we all work together 822 00:35:01,980 --> 00:35:04,530 and it makes it, I think every state is gonna have a 823 00:35:04,530 --> 00:35:06,600 different structure and I think it's gonna be difficult. 824 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,940 -Extremely difficult. -Yeah. 825 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:11,303 [Attendee] And I'm still, so, so there's, yeah, 826 00:35:12,300 --> 00:35:13,133 -there's, we hear from, -I just want to, I'm curious 827 00:35:13,133 --> 00:35:14,850 what the context is in Rhode Island. 828 00:35:14,850 --> 00:35:15,870 -Yeah. -Is that- 829 00:35:15,870 --> 00:35:16,710 [Attendee] Yeah. 830 00:35:16,710 --> 00:35:19,901 So kind of you mentioning, you know, 831 00:35:19,901 --> 00:35:23,970 or yeah, Maine and New York saying, 832 00:35:23,970 --> 00:35:25,980 or like you have so many, 833 00:35:25,980 --> 00:35:27,810 or Connecticut, you have so many different groups 834 00:35:27,810 --> 00:35:29,010 and it's a little bit disjointed. 835 00:35:29,010 --> 00:35:31,200 Like I guess one thing in Rhode Island is that we don't have 836 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,369 that many groups and we 837 00:35:32,369 --> 00:35:34,243 therefore know each other pretty well. 838 00:35:34,243 --> 00:35:36,000 I do talk quite a bit, 839 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,606 but yeah, it's just like there's less people to be 840 00:35:38,606 --> 00:35:43,606 involved in an incident response and less resources. 841 00:35:45,720 --> 00:35:50,670 But we did, we implemented ICS for spotted lantern fly 842 00:35:50,670 --> 00:35:52,320 before we had any findings. 843 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,693 And we were able to establish like at least a 844 00:35:55,693 --> 00:35:58,170 very baseline structure of like, you know, 845 00:35:58,170 --> 00:36:01,140 once we detect it, you know, we will talk 846 00:36:01,140 --> 00:36:03,450 to contractors about treatment, stuff like that. 847 00:36:03,450 --> 00:36:04,980 And I don't, I guess I'm kind 848 00:36:04,980 --> 00:36:06,690 of not answering your question. 849 00:36:06,690 --> 00:36:10,110 -No, it's fine. -But I, you know, it seems 850 00:36:10,110 --> 00:36:12,810 to me like ICS is really like a response 851 00:36:12,810 --> 00:36:15,990 and like, what's your response detection and treatment. 852 00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:18,720 But like what about, you mentioned BLD, like, 853 00:36:18,720 --> 00:36:20,850 well when you don't have answers of like what to do 854 00:36:20,850 --> 00:36:24,120 with BLD, what's the response like? 855 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,890 And then it made me think like, 856 00:36:25,890 --> 00:36:28,680 well the response considering more monitoring 857 00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:31,400 or like collecting seeds for preservation, like, you know, 858 00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:35,880 and it just in my wrong, that ICS is like kind of just like, 859 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,403 -like what's the- -The goal? 860 00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:41,190 [Thom] It could be, it's really flexible. 861 00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:44,227 It's whatever the, the whatever the, 862 00:36:46,567 --> 00:36:47,927 I can't think of the term. 863 00:36:47,927 --> 00:36:49,860 Really the objectives they're set 864 00:36:49,860 --> 00:36:52,293 for that incident for that operational period. 865 00:36:53,980 --> 00:36:56,250 It's really guided by those. 866 00:36:56,250 --> 00:36:58,500 So it could just be, you know, survey 867 00:36:58,500 --> 00:37:01,827 and find out, you know, limitative how far out 868 00:37:01,827 --> 00:37:05,350 and that particular path to spread, whether it's BLD 869 00:37:05,350 --> 00:37:07,109 or DAB or any others. 870 00:37:07,109 --> 00:37:11,651 And a lot of times too, like if we get a call from, 871 00:37:11,651 --> 00:37:12,870 you know, somebody from the public 872 00:37:12,870 --> 00:37:15,930 or from a neighboring state or Canadian province 873 00:37:15,930 --> 00:37:18,360 or report IMAP invasives, 874 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,060 we'll send a horticulture inspector out to confirm 875 00:37:21,060 --> 00:37:24,810 or collect a sample and confirm that particular pest. 876 00:37:24,810 --> 00:37:27,090 You know, we don't, and we don't immediately jump 877 00:37:27,090 --> 00:37:28,860 to an ICS structure. 878 00:37:28,860 --> 00:37:30,930 It's, you know, we handle it internally 879 00:37:30,930 --> 00:37:33,150 and then it's like, okay, it's more than what one 880 00:37:33,150 --> 00:37:34,740 or two people can handle. 881 00:37:34,740 --> 00:37:36,510 We, you know, we need some more structure 882 00:37:36,510 --> 00:37:37,670 here, we need some more help. 883 00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:39,870 And then if we implement an ICS 884 00:37:39,870 --> 00:37:42,300 structure, then we have that help. 885 00:37:42,300 --> 00:37:44,905 [Jeff] Well, that goes back to where I said size 886 00:37:44,905 --> 00:37:47,210 and severity plays a role into that 887 00:37:47,210 --> 00:37:48,289 because, I mean, it could be a, 888 00:37:48,289 --> 00:37:50,010 -a minor, moot point, right. -Right. 889 00:37:50,010 --> 00:37:54,570 Get a call that lows of southern ash trees, you know, 890 00:37:54,570 --> 00:37:57,635 then we send out some folks to look at it. 891 00:37:57,635 --> 00:38:01,530 It's based on size and severity. 892 00:38:01,530 --> 00:38:03,420 [Thom] I mean, I've gotten literally thousands, 893 00:38:03,420 --> 00:38:07,710 almost 3000 reports of Northern Giant Hornets in New York. 894 00:38:07,710 --> 00:38:10,800 None of them zero have been, you know, none 895 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:12,120 of them have been Northern Giant Hornet, 896 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,620 but we've gotten thousands of reports. 897 00:38:13,620 --> 00:38:16,680 So it, we wouldn't, you know, jump to that conclusion 898 00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,120 until we actually had a sample. 899 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,123 -Right. -One thing about, 900 00:38:20,123 --> 00:38:24,210 from my USDA experience, one thing that Massachusetts, 901 00:38:24,210 --> 00:38:26,910 Connecticut, and Rhode Island have going for them 902 00:38:26,910 --> 00:38:28,050 on the USDA side, 903 00:38:28,050 --> 00:38:32,100 they have one state plant health director 904 00:38:32,100 --> 00:38:34,279 for all three of those states. 905 00:38:34,279 --> 00:38:37,732 -Didn't use, so, huh? -You didn't use the acronym. 906 00:38:37,732 --> 00:38:39,813 (group laughing) 907 00:38:39,813 --> 00:38:42,300 [Thom] So, so they, so they have it, you know, 908 00:38:42,300 --> 00:38:45,360 they have a convenient, you know, situation there 909 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,250 where they, you know, they, they don't have to coordinate 910 00:38:47,250 --> 00:38:49,980 with three separate states on the USDA 911 00:38:49,980 --> 00:38:52,170 side because it's one individual. 912 00:38:52,170 --> 00:38:53,660 -So- -Yeah. 913 00:38:53,660 --> 00:38:56,490 [Thom] And there's some states that have two states, 914 00:38:56,490 --> 00:38:58,500 but for the most part, each state has their own 915 00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:01,410 state plant health director, yeah. 916 00:39:01,410 --> 00:39:04,170 [Attendee] So I know Savannah, do you want to jump in? 917 00:39:04,170 --> 00:39:06,123 I saw that you posted on your notes. 918 00:39:09,990 --> 00:39:12,870 [Savannah] Yeah, I can just read what I was commenting. 919 00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:15,510 So Vermont doesn't have an ICS command system as far 920 00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:17,130 as I know for forest health. 921 00:39:17,130 --> 00:39:20,040 But we do meet with other state agencies. 922 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:22,860 So we have a forest pest action committee group 923 00:39:22,860 --> 00:39:25,710 and we meet, we now do bi-annually, 924 00:39:25,710 --> 00:39:27,060 but we used to do quarterly 925 00:39:27,060 --> 00:39:28,641 when we were first getting started. 926 00:39:28,641 --> 00:39:30,570 And it's between Forest Parks 927 00:39:30,570 --> 00:39:33,450 and Recreation Agency of Agriculture UVM, 928 00:39:33,450 --> 00:39:37,410 the Green Mountain National Forest, the folks at APHIS PPQ 929 00:39:37,410 --> 00:39:40,980 who are working in southern Vermont as well as urban 930 00:39:40,980 --> 00:39:42,450 and community forestry. 931 00:39:42,450 --> 00:39:44,010 So we all work together 932 00:39:44,010 --> 00:39:46,084 and develop these forest pest action plans 933 00:39:46,084 --> 00:39:48,660 for like spotted LAN and fly beach leaf disease, 934 00:39:48,660 --> 00:39:50,520 oak whale, all of the big players. 935 00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:52,650 And then depending on who's the lead, 936 00:39:52,650 --> 00:39:56,220 so for beech leaf disease, that's primarily a forest pest. 937 00:39:56,220 --> 00:40:01,217 So FPR has it where spotted lantern fly is predominantly 938 00:40:01,217 --> 00:40:04,530 an agricultural pest, so they'll take the lead on that. 939 00:40:04,530 --> 00:40:06,000 We still all work together 940 00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,820 and agree on what the response will be. 941 00:40:07,820 --> 00:40:12,300 And then we develop these little flow charts of who 942 00:40:12,300 --> 00:40:14,936 to contact if it's a new county, if it's a new town, 943 00:40:14,936 --> 00:40:17,940 if it's a previously confirmed town, what are we doing 944 00:40:17,940 --> 00:40:19,800 for reporting and communication just so 945 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:21,513 that we're all consistent. 946 00:40:25,230 --> 00:40:29,339 [Attendee] So I'm curious then like when there's, 947 00:40:29,339 --> 00:40:31,980 so like maybe the small instances aside 948 00:40:31,980 --> 00:40:33,660 where it's like okay, you send a couple people out, 949 00:40:33,660 --> 00:40:37,140 like deal with whatever the issue is, for the bigger things, 950 00:40:37,140 --> 00:40:38,490 what are the barriers 951 00:40:38,490 --> 00:40:40,740 to taking whatever action is needed? 952 00:40:40,740 --> 00:40:42,210 Are like, are there ever barriers, 953 00:40:42,210 --> 00:40:43,980 it sounds like New York has like a 954 00:40:43,980 --> 00:40:45,930 pretty robust response system, 955 00:40:45,930 --> 00:40:47,700 but sometimes is it like, I'll just throw out some 956 00:40:47,700 --> 00:40:49,080 examples I could think of that could happen. 957 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,273 Like things don't happen fast enough. 958 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:53,940 Like there is not funds 959 00:40:53,940 --> 00:40:55,920 for whatever you particularly want to do 960 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,540 or you don't actually have the staff time like great, 961 00:40:57,540 --> 00:41:00,218 but like people can't be pulled off the projects they're 962 00:41:00,218 --> 00:41:02,070 doing or you don't have connections with the communities 963 00:41:02,070 --> 00:41:03,810 that you need to be connecting with in that case. 964 00:41:03,810 --> 00:41:05,220 Like those are just examples I could think of 965 00:41:05,220 --> 00:41:06,420 as potentially being barriers. 966 00:41:06,420 --> 00:41:09,033 But like what do you guys run into? 967 00:41:10,590 --> 00:41:12,270 [Thom] All the things you just mentioned 968 00:41:13,837 --> 00:41:15,892 -and regulatory authority. -Okay. 969 00:41:15,892 --> 00:41:18,133 [Thom] Because sometimes like if it's not a plant pest 970 00:41:18,133 --> 00:41:20,730 or if it's not covered by another specific AG 971 00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:24,657 and Forest regulation, we don't have the authority. 972 00:41:24,657 --> 00:41:25,490 -Okay. -Like you could have 973 00:41:25,490 --> 00:41:27,420 the resources and the expertise, the knowhow 974 00:41:27,420 --> 00:41:28,800 and not be allowed to do anything. 975 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,423 -Correct. -That sounds- 976 00:41:30,423 --> 00:41:34,770 [Thom] If it's not a plant pest, then like one 977 00:41:34,770 --> 00:41:37,170 of the issues we deal with is jumping worms right? 978 00:41:37,170 --> 00:41:38,640 So they're not a plant pest- 979 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,370 -No. -It's an invasive species. 980 00:41:41,370 --> 00:41:44,400 They're regulated under part 575. 981 00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:48,540 So we but there's no treatment, there's no survey, 982 00:41:48,540 --> 00:41:50,580 there's no good survey method. 983 00:41:50,580 --> 00:41:51,870 You can survey for the adults. 984 00:41:51,870 --> 00:41:53,970 You can't say survey for the cysts. 985 00:41:53,970 --> 00:41:56,120 So there's no treatment, there's no survey. 986 00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,760 But they're regulated under part 575. 987 00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,480 So that it's a challenge and it's not covered. 988 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,320 We can't regulate, we don't regulate it under any 989 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,750 of our other regulatory authority. 990 00:42:09,750 --> 00:42:12,210 None of the health state regulations cover that 991 00:42:12,210 --> 00:42:14,160 because it's not a plant pest. 992 00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:14,993 So things like 993 00:42:14,993 --> 00:42:16,983 -that are limiting. -That one though. 994 00:42:16,983 --> 00:42:20,640 If there's no response, no treatment, what do you, 995 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:22,290 what would you even do anyway? 996 00:42:22,290 --> 00:42:23,973 Kind of like beech leaf to disease, same idea. 997 00:42:23,973 --> 00:42:28,029 -What what can you do? -So it's, I dunno, monitor 998 00:42:28,029 --> 00:42:30,855 -reports. -Yeah, I was just gonna 999 00:42:30,855 --> 00:42:32,550 encourage people report through a, my IMAP invasives. 1000 00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:34,053 But other than that- 1001 00:42:35,180 --> 00:42:37,290 [Attendee] Yeah, go ahead. 1002 00:42:37,290 --> 00:42:39,960 [Savannah] I was just gonna speak to beach leaf disease 1003 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,510 in New York, because this has come up a couple times. 1004 00:42:42,510 --> 00:42:44,550 We tried to do an incident command system, 1005 00:42:44,550 --> 00:42:46,740 but I'll add to the list. 1006 00:42:46,740 --> 00:42:48,990 You know, it's about the, the size and the severity, 1007 00:42:48,990 --> 00:42:52,380 but it's also about how much you can do 1008 00:42:52,380 --> 00:42:54,330 and how many people it takes to do what you can do. 1009 00:42:54,330 --> 00:42:57,030 Because that's what we ran into with beech leaf disease. 1010 00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:59,790 You know, we tried to design this ICS structure 1011 00:42:59,790 --> 00:43:02,460 and then ultimately it was like, all right, we need 1012 00:43:02,460 --> 00:43:05,130 to research it, we need to survey for it, we need somebody 1013 00:43:05,130 --> 00:43:06,540 to run the show and we need somebody 1014 00:43:06,540 --> 00:43:08,160 to do outreach, that's only four people. 1015 00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:09,663 That's not an ICS structure. 1016 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,640 And so I do think that's a good one though, 1017 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,270 because even though we don't have anything to do, I think 1018 00:43:18,270 --> 00:43:23,100 that has almost pushed us harder into connecting with people 1019 00:43:23,100 --> 00:43:24,180 and connecting with people 1020 00:43:24,180 --> 00:43:26,037 who are interested, who want to learn more. 1021 00:43:26,037 --> 00:43:30,000 We have a BLD communications calls that is open 1022 00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:34,440 to like any group, anybody who's doing research with BLD 1023 00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,870 or wants to do research with BLD. 1024 00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:41,103 And so we've gotten a lot of stakeholder involvement in 1025 00:43:41,103 --> 00:43:42,750 that just because that's, 1026 00:43:42,750 --> 00:43:45,222 that's all we can do right now is kind 1027 00:43:45,222 --> 00:43:46,913 of facilitate the sharing of information. 1028 00:43:51,300 --> 00:43:52,980 [Attendee] I'm on, yeah, I'm on the BLD 1029 00:43:52,980 --> 00:43:54,330 like working group call too. 1030 00:43:54,330 --> 00:43:56,768 So that's been, especially as a new person, like 1031 00:43:56,768 --> 00:43:59,040 in every call that I've been at so far, 1032 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,650 there's like a whole suite of new people as it's expanding. 1033 00:44:01,650 --> 00:44:05,460 So it's like this massive call. Hmm. 1034 00:44:05,460 --> 00:44:06,792 -And who leads that? -Comes out of 1035 00:44:06,792 --> 00:44:11,550 Holden, Sarah Pitt. 1036 00:44:11,550 --> 00:44:12,400 Because Holden is 1037 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:14,441 where it was first discovered, 1038 00:44:14,441 --> 00:44:15,729 Holden Arboretum and (indistinct). 1039 00:44:15,729 --> 00:44:17,168 [Attendee] So it then really does depend 1040 00:44:17,168 --> 00:44:18,001 on one person stepping up 1041 00:44:18,001 --> 00:44:21,447 and saying we need to have a collaborative group to learn. 1042 00:44:21,447 --> 00:44:22,860 [Attendee] And then it's also like, 1043 00:44:22,860 --> 00:44:23,693 I mean I've only been on two calls 1044 00:44:23,693 --> 00:44:25,393 so far, so it's only every other month. 1045 00:44:25,393 --> 00:44:30,393 But it also is like, it is like huge at this point. 1046 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:32,580 So there's only like so many people that can speak 1047 00:44:32,580 --> 00:44:33,932 and it's like the people that have 1048 00:44:33,932 --> 00:44:36,390 so far seem like they've been on it the longest 1049 00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:39,151 that are like still speaking. 1050 00:44:39,151 --> 00:44:40,590 [Savannah] Yeah. 1051 00:44:40,590 --> 00:44:43,110 And I can say too that I'm part 1052 00:44:43,110 --> 00:44:44,340 of the national BLD call, 1053 00:44:44,340 --> 00:44:46,950 but we also have a New York Beech Leaf Disease 1054 00:44:46,950 --> 00:44:49,980 communications call just for New York stakeholders 1055 00:44:49,980 --> 00:44:52,350 because stakeholders, the national call was getting so big 1056 00:44:52,350 --> 00:44:54,420 and it didn't seem like the same kind of forum 1057 00:44:54,420 --> 00:44:56,460 where people could connect with each other. 1058 00:44:56,460 --> 00:44:58,980 -Yeah. -And then how 1059 00:44:58,980 --> 00:45:01,740 are communications from that distributed 1060 00:45:01,740 --> 00:45:03,696 to a broader audience? 1061 00:45:03,696 --> 00:45:05,250 Like if you're not on that call or don't know about it, 1062 00:45:05,250 --> 00:45:06,942 or I mean, I mean what, 1063 00:45:06,942 --> 00:45:09,243 how do communications go out from that? 1064 00:45:10,890 --> 00:45:13,800 -Or don't they? -I mean, for me, 1065 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,270 like the same way I do everything, 1066 00:45:15,270 --> 00:45:17,850 like workshops and talks and talking 1067 00:45:17,850 --> 00:45:18,990 to you all on the state court, 1068 00:45:18,990 --> 00:45:21,680 -like just normal- -The network. 1069 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:23,574 (group laughing) 1070 00:45:23,574 --> 00:45:26,923 Yeah. I guess like received, yeah, well what was 1071 00:45:27,912 --> 00:45:28,914 that university extension? 1072 00:45:28,914 --> 00:45:29,747 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1073 00:45:29,747 --> 00:45:32,160 And university extension's a good one because it's obvious, 1074 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,500 but it also like, it does sort of get 1075 00:45:34,500 --> 00:45:36,840 to the like individual landowner level, 1076 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:38,580 which like here we're not really, 1077 00:45:38,580 --> 00:45:39,990 I mean some people here own some land, 1078 00:45:39,990 --> 00:45:43,293 but like we're not really getting to the same population. 1079 00:45:44,850 --> 00:45:46,680 But I could see some sort 1080 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,600 of network map being a 1081 00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,673 useful resource in some of those cases. 1082 00:45:51,618 --> 00:45:53,130 If it's like, you know, we want to get this information out 1083 00:45:53,130 --> 00:45:54,780 to some particular group of people that's 1084 00:45:54,780 --> 00:45:56,940 beyond like the traditional practitioner 1085 00:45:56,940 --> 00:45:58,080 that we're usually working with. 1086 00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,880 We need to figure out how we get that information there. 1087 00:46:02,850 --> 00:46:05,130 That's suddenly where it's easier to be in a small state 1088 00:46:05,130 --> 00:46:05,963 -that's actually like- -Yeah. 1089 00:46:05,963 --> 00:46:07,216 We have like lots 1090 00:46:07,216 --> 00:46:08,231 of presentations and workshops, 1091 00:46:08,231 --> 00:46:10,890 so it feels like we're covered, 1092 00:46:10,890 --> 00:46:13,590 like spreading the information really quickly. 1093 00:46:13,590 --> 00:46:16,110 -Yeah, yeah. -Two comments on that. 1094 00:46:16,110 --> 00:46:17,550 -Yeah. -So I mentioned 1095 00:46:17,550 --> 00:46:19,515 the multi-agency coordination group 1096 00:46:19,515 --> 00:46:21,330 and when that group meets, kind of like 1097 00:46:21,330 --> 00:46:23,340 what Kelsey was talking about, 1098 00:46:23,340 --> 00:46:26,320 it gets unwieldy sometimes there's too many people they try 1099 00:46:27,518 --> 00:46:28,351 to limit it to, you know, 1100 00:46:28,351 --> 00:46:30,210 just a few members from each agency. 1101 00:46:30,210 --> 00:46:32,935 Otherwise the meeting can go on for six weeks. 1102 00:46:32,935 --> 00:46:37,080 So, but the notes from those meetings are shared. Yeah. 1103 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,238 So even the patient in the meeting 1104 00:46:39,238 --> 00:46:41,370 is limited and restricted. 1105 00:46:41,370 --> 00:46:43,661 The notes are shared kind of freely. 1106 00:46:43,661 --> 00:46:47,313 And again, extension, we use that extensively, 1107 00:46:49,470 --> 00:46:53,520 especially for not just kind of contacting homeowners 1108 00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,850 and landowners, but municipalities. 1109 00:46:56,850 --> 00:47:00,380 So when we first found spotted lantern fly in an area, 1110 00:47:00,380 --> 00:47:02,070 we reached out through Cornell IPM, 1111 00:47:02,070 --> 00:47:05,340 integrated pest management to the extension offices 1112 00:47:05,340 --> 00:47:06,810 that hey, you know, you're getting a lot of, 1113 00:47:06,810 --> 00:47:07,890 you're gonna be getting a lot of calls 1114 00:47:07,890 --> 00:47:10,613 about spotted lantern fly in the next few weeks, few months, 1115 00:47:11,992 --> 00:47:12,991 just to give them a heads up. 1116 00:47:12,991 --> 00:47:14,850 Same thing with the towns and villages 1117 00:47:14,850 --> 00:47:16,470 because they're, you know, 1118 00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:18,320 whether it's their recreation department 1119 00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:19,830 or their parks department, 1120 00:47:19,830 --> 00:47:22,605 they're gonna be getting calls about this particular pest, 1121 00:47:22,605 --> 00:47:25,770 whether it's EAB, about, you know, tree mortality 1122 00:47:25,770 --> 00:47:27,330 or that sort of thing. 1123 00:47:27,330 --> 00:47:31,860 So we use extension to contact those entities 1124 00:47:31,860 --> 00:47:33,060 and they've built those networks 1125 00:47:33,060 --> 00:47:36,815 and they know who the current person is in those roles. 1126 00:47:36,815 --> 00:47:40,077 So they can respond a lot faster than we can trying 1127 00:47:40,077 --> 00:47:42,513 to track down that. 1128 00:47:43,410 --> 00:47:47,610 There's also, in New York State, there's the Association of 1129 00:47:47,610 --> 00:47:49,890 and Villages, the Association of Counties. 1130 00:47:49,890 --> 00:47:51,960 So those organizations are also good ways 1131 00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,950 to route information out where we can kind of, 1132 00:47:55,950 --> 00:47:59,694 Cornell IPM can route information to that organization 1133 00:47:59,694 --> 00:48:02,057 and they can get it out to their members. 1134 00:48:02,057 --> 00:48:04,830 So those, those are other nodes 1135 00:48:04,830 --> 00:48:08,160 and edges that can be kind of brought into the mix 1136 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:09,600 that we wouldn't normally do. 1137 00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,930 But for getting information out there about a new find 1138 00:48:12,930 --> 00:48:14,592 or a find in a new area, 1139 00:48:14,592 --> 00:48:17,753 those can come in handy in New York state. 1140 00:48:17,753 --> 00:48:21,390 Some of the other smaller states, Rhode Island, sorry, 1141 00:48:21,390 --> 00:48:26,390 you are the smallest state, I might not have those 1142 00:48:26,676 --> 00:48:29,070 organizations, but they may, I don't know. So- 1143 00:48:29,070 --> 00:48:30,690 [Attendee] Wear that label with pride 1144 00:48:30,690 --> 00:48:33,440 because it means every tree is that much more valuable. 1145 00:48:35,546 --> 00:48:36,379 [Thom] Exactly. 1146 00:48:36,379 --> 00:48:37,466 And you can pivot and you're a lot 1147 00:48:37,466 --> 00:48:39,294 -more flexible than we are. -Yeah. 1148 00:48:39,294 --> 00:48:40,629 [Thom] We're like this big unwieldy machine 1149 00:48:40,629 --> 00:48:44,130 and anything we do with, in these species, we're dragging 1150 00:48:44,130 --> 00:48:46,614 around nine different state agencies that have 1151 00:48:46,614 --> 00:48:50,190 at least some input into invasive species. 1152 00:48:50,190 --> 00:48:51,960 Generally it's New York State Agri markets 1153 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,320 and DEC as co-chairs, parks is pretty heavily involved. 1154 00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:56,820 And then it kind of trickles down 1155 00:48:56,820 --> 00:49:00,453 to other agencies like New York State DOT is very involved, 1156 00:49:00,453 --> 00:49:05,453 but it becomes a, you know, slower to respond. 1157 00:49:06,420 --> 00:49:08,130 [Attendee] I think for us, like communication 1158 00:49:08,130 --> 00:49:09,210 amongst our groups, 1159 00:49:09,210 --> 00:49:14,010 very easy communication to disseminating our stakeholders. 1160 00:49:14,010 --> 00:49:15,030 Also relatively easy. 1161 00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:17,450 But like yeah, capacity we have, 1162 00:49:17,450 --> 00:49:20,820 we dump regulatory capacity is really limited 1163 00:49:20,820 --> 00:49:22,713 and resources is really. 1164 00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:24,687 [Attendee] Well and that's why I can't help 1165 00:49:24,687 --> 00:49:29,687 but wonder again if there's a missed opportunity, 1166 00:49:29,820 --> 00:49:31,560 especially for things just like field surveys. 1167 00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:33,510 Like if you just need boots on the ground 1168 00:49:33,510 --> 00:49:36,060 but there aren't enough bodies within 1169 00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:38,610 that are already employed, why not connect 1170 00:49:38,610 --> 00:49:40,440 with somebody like the Nature Conservancy 1171 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,340 or you know, UVM with all of their summer interns 1172 00:49:44,340 --> 00:49:45,840 and pull people for a week. 1173 00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,850 [Jeff] I mean, well it does happen to a certain 1174 00:49:47,850 --> 00:49:49,788 extent though, with the compact. 1175 00:49:49,788 --> 00:49:50,700 -Okay. -Because the compact, 1176 00:49:50,700 --> 00:49:52,530 you know, states have invested money 1177 00:49:52,530 --> 00:49:54,123 into this, the province. 1178 00:49:55,284 --> 00:49:57,450 -What does the compact help? -What's that? 1179 00:49:57,450 --> 00:49:59,474 -What is that? -The compact. 1180 00:49:59,474 --> 00:50:00,669 [Jeff] So, so I, 1181 00:50:00,669 --> 00:50:03,155 I don't know the whole background behind the compact that 1182 00:50:03,155 --> 00:50:05,138 it was built, it was built on fire. 1183 00:50:05,138 --> 00:50:10,080 And so they looked at, one of the responses would be that, 1184 00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:13,390 you know, major pest disease issues 1185 00:50:14,670 --> 00:50:18,870 because it come in the fire portion of it that they saw 1186 00:50:18,870 --> 00:50:21,540 that if we had a major outbreak of whatever, it caused a lot 1187 00:50:21,540 --> 00:50:24,875 of mortality, then there's a potential for large fire. 1188 00:50:24,875 --> 00:50:27,630 So they brought in forest health folks 1189 00:50:27,630 --> 00:50:31,170 and then that actually kind of formed into a smaller group 1190 00:50:31,170 --> 00:50:34,440 of forest health personnel. 1191 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,403 And those folks have kind of worked together to, 1192 00:50:39,570 --> 00:50:42,030 with state money and federal money 1193 00:50:42,030 --> 00:50:45,870 and province money that there's a pot 1194 00:50:45,870 --> 00:50:46,920 of money that sets there. 1195 00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,920 And if there's a need for survey 1196 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,530 or whatever it may be, there's training there. 1197 00:50:52,530 --> 00:50:53,363 I mean there's everything. 1198 00:50:53,363 --> 00:50:54,840 I went to Long Island, 1199 00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,270 I did Southern Pine Beetle, 1200 00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:59,400 I went there for a couple weeks actually. 1201 00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:03,357 Sorry, I grew up on Long Island. 1202 00:51:03,357 --> 00:51:08,070 But you know, that that money has also been used, 1203 00:51:08,070 --> 00:51:11,253 you know, for good training events, you know, 1204 00:51:12,300 --> 00:51:15,780 whether it be a ID workshop or whatever it is. 1205 00:51:15,780 --> 00:51:18,930 So ultimately that is kind of in place already. 1206 00:51:18,930 --> 00:51:21,770 [Attendee] Yeah, well that's encouraging to hear. 1207 00:51:21,770 --> 00:51:24,420 [Jeff] So you, if you need, as you mentioned, 1208 00:51:24,420 --> 00:51:26,220 if you needed to get boots on the ground, 1209 00:51:26,220 --> 00:51:27,570 it's not super easy. 1210 00:51:27,570 --> 00:51:29,534 I mean, it's not gonna happen overnight. 1211 00:51:29,534 --> 00:51:31,440 It does take some work, 1212 00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:33,340 but I mean that's a, that's available. 1213 00:51:34,350 --> 00:51:37,740 [Thom] One other thing we've used is the prism network 1214 00:51:37,740 --> 00:51:40,530 and they have volunteers and paid staff. 1215 00:51:40,530 --> 00:51:42,330 So we can tap into that 1216 00:51:42,330 --> 00:51:44,910 and we have, you know, I mentioned the conservation dogs, 1217 00:51:44,910 --> 00:51:49,660 but just for survey for spotted lantern fly, we set up 1218 00:51:52,350 --> 00:51:55,020 program through IMAP invasives where, 1219 00:51:55,020 --> 00:51:57,480 you know, people wanted to volunteer 1220 00:51:57,480 --> 00:51:59,740 and rather than self-directing themselves 1221 00:52:00,676 --> 00:52:01,950 and getting in our way, you know, we don't all need 1222 00:52:01,950 --> 00:52:05,158 to survey in the same one kilometer grid square. 1223 00:52:05,158 --> 00:52:09,180 So we knew where we could, our staff could survey, 1224 00:52:09,180 --> 00:52:10,800 we knew areas that we wanted to survey, 1225 00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:12,210 which just didn't have the staff to do. 1226 00:52:12,210 --> 00:52:17,210 So we plugged those one kilometer square grids into IMAP 1227 00:52:18,103 --> 00:52:20,910 and said, here sign up for a grid, adopt a grid square 1228 00:52:20,910 --> 00:52:21,990 and go survey, 1229 00:52:21,990 --> 00:52:23,670 -you know, X amount of- -I love it. 1230 00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:25,983 -Locations- -Adopt a grid square. 1231 00:52:25,983 --> 00:52:29,130 [Thom] In this one kilometer grid on public land. 1232 00:52:29,130 --> 00:52:31,920 And we could get surveys done in areas 1233 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,670 that we would never get to through volunteer networks. 1234 00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:37,270 [Attendee] Can I just ask the, 1235 00:52:38,333 --> 00:52:39,959 so things like the compact 1236 00:52:39,959 --> 00:52:42,600 and the Prism network are those resources available 1237 00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,280 to Connecticut and Rhode Island? 1238 00:52:44,280 --> 00:52:45,497 Like so you would knew, you know, you get 1239 00:52:45,497 --> 00:52:47,755 to add into those if you need them. 1240 00:52:47,755 --> 00:52:50,190 [Attendee] Yeah, so each, like for the compact, each 1241 00:52:50,190 --> 00:52:54,090 entity involved has on the forest health side has a forest 1242 00:52:54,090 --> 00:52:57,088 health working team member for sure. 1243 00:52:57,088 --> 00:53:00,959 [Thom] Yeah. Rep doesn't necessarily show up. 1244 00:53:00,959 --> 00:53:02,551 [Attendee] For example, Rhode Island 1245 00:53:02,551 --> 00:53:03,900 did have a representative, but it was not nested 1246 00:53:03,900 --> 00:53:05,910 in the forest health program previously. 1247 00:53:05,910 --> 00:53:08,670 And now though, now that I've taken on my role 1248 00:53:08,670 --> 00:53:09,503 in the forest health program, 1249 00:53:09,503 --> 00:53:11,020 I'm now the, the representative. 1250 00:53:12,090 --> 00:53:13,443 -So- -You're the node. 1251 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,690 Other states do have prism network 1252 00:53:18,690 --> 00:53:20,790 and similar structures. 1253 00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:22,410 I know Hawaii has one, 1254 00:53:22,410 --> 00:53:24,990 I believe Massachusetts has a prism network. 1255 00:53:24,990 --> 00:53:27,090 Pennsylvania just recently 1256 00:53:27,090 --> 00:53:30,540 is establishing theirs based on New York's. 1257 00:53:30,540 --> 00:53:33,603 So the, those networks do exist in some other states. 1258 00:53:38,460 --> 00:53:40,530 And again, sometimes it's paid staff that are paid 1259 00:53:40,530 --> 00:53:43,950 through the Prism and sometimes it's Prism volunteers so 1260 00:53:43,950 --> 00:53:46,800 that that funding kind of works itself out that way, 1261 00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:48,600 whether they're volunteers. 1262 00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:52,920 We've also had volunteers set up and check traps. 1263 00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,083 So another survey method, not just visual. 1264 00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,040 -Yeah, that's awesome. -So then if all, so like 1265 00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:00,810 for any given pest or pathogen 1266 00:54:00,810 --> 00:54:04,170 or any other emergent concern, if all, 1267 00:54:04,170 --> 00:54:06,630 it sounds like the states are working pretty independently 1268 00:54:06,630 --> 00:54:09,540 then and maybe like it's just serendipitous kind 1269 00:54:09,540 --> 00:54:11,370 of communication between them, like maybe 1270 00:54:11,370 --> 00:54:14,523 through FBMC if the right people are in the room, 1271 00:54:15,630 --> 00:54:17,790 and I wonder if there's also room there 1272 00:54:17,790 --> 00:54:20,310 for some coordination, just like if it's like, okay, 1273 00:54:20,310 --> 00:54:22,110 everybody in the Northeast is probably gonna be responding 1274 00:54:22,110 --> 00:54:23,430 to this pest at some point in time, 1275 00:54:23,430 --> 00:54:25,380 but Connecticut got to it first 1276 00:54:25,380 --> 00:54:28,163 because you often give anything first and, 1277 00:54:28,163 --> 00:54:32,280 and you've already like sort of sorted out like, 1278 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:33,510 well here's the methods we're using, 1279 00:54:33,510 --> 00:54:34,890 here's like what we're doing. 1280 00:54:34,890 --> 00:54:37,290 And if there were some place where that could be shared so 1281 00:54:37,290 --> 00:54:39,820 that when that hits the next place for New England 1282 00:54:40,778 --> 00:54:41,611 or Massachusetts 1283 00:54:41,611 --> 00:54:43,920 or New York that they could, there's like, okay, 1284 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,300 well we could start with this toolkit 1285 00:54:45,300 --> 00:54:47,100 or something like these suggested ways 1286 00:54:47,100 --> 00:54:48,570 to start thinking about this, 1287 00:54:48,570 --> 00:54:50,460 given that there's gonna be different resources 1288 00:54:50,460 --> 00:54:52,350 in each place and a different, you know, 1289 00:54:52,350 --> 00:54:53,970 potentially a different structure. 1290 00:54:53,970 --> 00:54:55,980 Like if that would be helpful 1291 00:54:55,980 --> 00:54:58,799 or is that like duplicative in some way? 1292 00:54:58,799 --> 00:55:02,073 [Attendee] That APHIS or state forestry or- 1293 00:55:02,073 --> 00:55:04,080 -Right. -On the ag side, 1294 00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,769 and I'm sure you deal with this too, 1295 00:55:06,769 --> 00:55:08,490 but the National Plant Board is the organization 1296 00:55:08,490 --> 00:55:11,790 that there's a representative from each state SPRO, 1297 00:55:11,790 --> 00:55:15,285 not Spud, State Plant Regulatory Official, 1298 00:55:15,285 --> 00:55:19,920 but it's the equivalent to the USDA's SPUD in each state. 1299 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:21,270 And sometimes it's within Ag, 1300 00:55:21,270 --> 00:55:23,719 sometimes it's within Forestry, 1301 00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:24,900 sometimes it's with an extension service. 1302 00:55:24,900 --> 00:55:27,810 But each state has a representative on the National Plant 1303 00:55:27,810 --> 00:55:29,250 Board, which is broken down 1304 00:55:29,250 --> 00:55:31,743 to I think four regions, five regions. 1305 00:55:33,330 --> 00:55:35,520 But they communicate and meet regularly. 1306 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,220 So if there's a pest detection in state Massachusetts, 1307 00:55:39,338 --> 00:55:41,760 the, through the national, through the National Plant Board, 1308 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:43,290 that information is decimated 1309 00:55:43,290 --> 00:55:44,520 to the other states surrounding it. 1310 00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:46,020 Say, Hey, we found this, 1311 00:55:46,020 --> 00:55:50,100 or there was a nursery detection of this ex pest, you know, 1312 00:55:50,100 --> 00:55:51,360 at this nursery 1313 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,850 and it was shipped to these other three states. 1314 00:55:53,850 --> 00:55:55,620 So that information is shared really 1315 00:55:55,620 --> 00:55:56,913 amongst the, that group. 1316 00:55:57,979 --> 00:55:59,247 And then that would trigger our inspectors going out 1317 00:55:59,247 --> 00:56:02,222 and doing an inspection at that location if it was, 1318 00:56:02,222 --> 00:56:05,077 you know, a trace forward situation where a nursery from, 1319 00:56:05,077 --> 00:56:08,242 you know, one state sent it to another state. 1320 00:56:08,242 --> 00:56:09,990 Not, not intentionally, 1321 00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:11,650 but you know, they, they got plant shipment 1322 00:56:11,650 --> 00:56:14,073 and divided up and got sent out. 1323 00:56:15,174 --> 00:56:16,874 And that happens very, very often. 1324 00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:19,800 So that network does exist as well. 1325 00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,070 So there is a communication network there, 1326 00:56:23,070 --> 00:56:24,150 at least on the Ag side. 1327 00:56:24,150 --> 00:56:27,323 I don't know about the forest pest side. Okay. 1328 00:56:28,860 --> 00:56:30,510 There was something else I was gonna say 1329 00:56:31,553 --> 00:56:32,386 about National Plant Board. 1330 00:56:32,386 --> 00:56:34,380 Oh, and you mentioned about, you know, 1331 00:56:34,380 --> 00:56:37,650 Connecticut getting things first and I disagree. 1332 00:56:37,650 --> 00:56:40,795 I think it's Canada because so many, I can think 1333 00:56:40,795 --> 00:56:41,970 of about six different pests 1334 00:56:41,970 --> 00:56:45,990 found in Canada now we have here. So it's just- 1335 00:56:45,990 --> 00:56:48,396 [Attendee] So maybe sometimes coming the other way too. 1336 00:56:48,396 --> 00:56:49,413 [Attendee] Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1337 00:56:49,413 --> 00:56:53,458 So and through, we also have in New York State, there's two 1338 00:56:53,458 --> 00:56:54,291 pest risk committees where it's USDA, 1339 00:56:54,291 --> 00:56:59,291 Customs and Border Protection because they enforce that, 1340 00:56:59,664 --> 00:57:03,344 the APHIS regulations coming over the border 1341 00:57:03,344 --> 00:57:06,390 and APHIS enforces regulations 1342 00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:08,040 when it's in the United States. 1343 00:57:08,040 --> 00:57:12,000 So we made together quarterly 1344 00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:13,650 and discuss, okay, 1345 00:57:13,650 --> 00:57:15,750 these are the things we're finding at the ports. 1346 00:57:15,750 --> 00:57:17,850 These are the things that were, you know, found, you know, 1347 00:57:17,850 --> 00:57:19,620 inland at that the, you know, 1348 00:57:19,620 --> 00:57:21,409 around the airports and things like that. 1349 00:57:21,409 --> 00:57:24,510 They have a whole smuggling in traditional trade compliance 1350 00:57:24,510 --> 00:57:27,760 unit and they find things that are accidentally brought in 1351 00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,550 or in certain, intentionally brought in, 1352 00:57:29,550 --> 00:57:31,113 but accidentally introduced. 1353 00:57:32,310 --> 00:57:35,640 And a lot of times it's not, it's not a plant pest. 1354 00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:37,830 A lot of times it's a path, you know, 1355 00:57:37,830 --> 00:57:39,540 an animal pathogen or something like that. 1356 00:57:39,540 --> 00:57:43,920 But those meetings happen quarterly. 1357 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,720 So that information is shared too. 1358 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:49,470 And Canada sometimes participates in that as well. 1359 00:57:49,470 --> 00:57:52,887 And as well as food safety or, 1360 00:57:52,887 --> 00:57:55,410 or FDA, food drug administration. 1361 00:57:55,410 --> 00:57:57,563 because they handle some of the food issues, 1362 00:57:58,620 --> 00:58:01,710 but it, those networks do exist as well. 1363 00:58:01,710 --> 00:58:04,050 So there is some, you know, provincial to, you know, 1364 00:58:04,050 --> 00:58:07,740 Arcadian to us communication about those pests. 1365 00:58:07,740 --> 00:58:10,923 But it'd be nice if they didn't communicate so much. 1366 00:58:15,870 --> 00:58:18,750 [Attendee] So I'm also thinking about the project 1367 00:58:18,750 --> 00:58:21,300 that we're starting, well have technically already started, 1368 00:58:21,300 --> 00:58:23,520 but that we're really starting next year to, 1369 00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:26,190 with the DNA meta bar coding to 1370 00:58:26,190 --> 00:58:28,950 do like extra early detection basically of invasives. 1371 00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:31,380 And I'm wondering like, if that has a piece 1372 00:58:31,380 --> 00:58:33,030 in this conversation of like, 1373 00:58:33,030 --> 00:58:35,580 if things are being detected extra early, like Jeff, 1374 00:58:35,580 --> 00:58:36,750 you said, well if we don't see it, 1375 00:58:36,750 --> 00:58:38,550 like we're not gonna go do anything, 1376 00:58:40,795 --> 00:58:41,628 would that still be the case? 1377 00:58:41,628 --> 00:58:44,340 And if so, then is that like not actually help is detecting 1378 00:58:44,340 --> 00:58:46,320 things that early not actually helpful? 1379 00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:48,788 -Definitely is. -Because then you, 1380 00:58:48,788 --> 00:58:50,370 so like, what, what happens then? 1381 00:58:50,370 --> 00:58:52,593 [Jeff] I mean that, that, that stands the awareness. 1382 00:58:52,593 --> 00:58:55,530 So, but yeah, I mean I, I think again, 1383 00:58:55,530 --> 00:58:56,820 that's gonna vary from- 1384 00:58:56,820 --> 00:58:58,560 -State to state? -Based on resources. 1385 00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:00,360 [Attendee] Yeah. Right, right. 1386 00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:01,830 I'm wondering, like, one 1387 00:59:01,830 --> 00:59:04,110 of the potential barriers I mentioned that I made up, 1388 00:59:04,110 --> 00:59:07,050 because I don't work in this, the way you guys do is the, 1389 00:59:07,050 --> 00:59:08,670 like things not happening fast enough. 1390 00:59:08,670 --> 00:59:10,470 And I wonder if it's like, it would be like, okay, 1391 00:59:10,470 --> 00:59:13,350 well we know this is coming so we can start forming 1392 00:59:13,350 --> 00:59:15,750 some plan, think about how we're gonna respond 1393 00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:19,754 before, like, you know, months before a year, year before- 1394 00:59:19,754 --> 00:59:21,240 -And again- -Interconnected. 1395 00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:22,530 [ Jeff] That's based on each state. 1396 00:59:22,530 --> 00:59:25,173 -Yeah. -Because again, he mentioned, 1397 00:59:26,100 --> 00:59:29,040 well I think everybody's mentioned it, that, 1398 00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,220 within each state there's different levels, different groups 1399 00:59:32,220 --> 00:59:34,412 that are gonna take care of different things. 1400 00:59:34,412 --> 00:59:37,190 You know, you know, beech leaf disease falls on 1401 00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:41,730 of my shop, but somebody brought up Asian jumping worms 1402 00:59:41,730 --> 00:59:44,190 that falls under horticulture on under us or- 1403 00:59:44,190 --> 00:59:45,780 -Right. -Yeah. 1404 00:59:45,780 --> 00:59:46,980 I mean, so that's, 1405 00:59:46,980 --> 00:59:50,610 but every state I think has already probably thought this 1406 00:59:50,610 --> 00:59:53,490 through or you know, whatever their title is. 1407 00:59:53,490 --> 00:59:56,098 My case is mine, our director 1408 00:59:56,098 --> 00:59:57,480 for Forest Health and Monitoring, 1409 00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,618 Allison Kente, she, I mean, 1410 00:59:59,618 --> 01:00:02,400 she has a plan, I would say a plan in place for everything. 1411 01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,368 But, you know, 1412 01:00:04,368 --> 01:00:07,635 we worry about public perception if we're not jumping on 1413 01:00:07,635 --> 01:00:08,550 something and you know, 1414 01:00:08,550 --> 01:00:09,850 we let things lie then, then of course- 1415 01:00:09,850 --> 01:00:11,040 -Right. -The first thing 1416 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,260 people are gonna say is that we're avoiding this. 1417 01:00:13,260 --> 01:00:15,210 I mean, we look at everything. 1418 01:00:15,210 --> 01:00:19,921 But I think for me, I guess where I see this is probably 1419 01:00:19,921 --> 01:00:24,360 if there was a way to disseminate information, 1420 01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:28,320 I don't know about, you know, trying to, to do some sort 1421 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,540 of response or methodologies. 1422 01:00:30,540 --> 01:00:34,350 I mean that, that could maybe forming down the road. 1423 01:00:34,350 --> 01:00:36,729 But I think certainly the sharing 1424 01:00:36,729 --> 01:00:38,730 of information I think is probably more so than anything. 1425 01:00:38,730 --> 01:00:41,397 We just, we just had this discussion, you know, 1426 01:00:41,397 --> 01:00:44,403 and it popped into my mind when you said, you know, 1427 01:00:45,408 --> 01:00:48,880 Canada sharing things beef leaf minor is, is on our door 1428 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,993 doorstep, excuse me, from the Canadian side. 1429 01:00:53,116 --> 01:00:54,630 But I know Allison mentioned the other day that, you know, 1430 01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:55,740 she brought it up in a meeting. 1431 01:00:55,740 --> 01:00:57,570 There were some people that, that sat there. 1432 01:00:57,570 --> 01:00:59,550 Like, what the hell is that? 1433 01:00:59,550 --> 01:01:04,530 So that's, that's the thing, I mean for me, 1434 01:01:04,530 --> 01:01:06,360 I guess it's probably more that sharing 1435 01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:07,920 and finding a way to make that happen. 1436 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:12,510 But I think to, to actually try to intertwine how, 1437 01:01:12,510 --> 01:01:15,990 how the response is, is gonna be different for each- 1438 01:01:15,990 --> 01:01:17,070 -Yeah. -And I think there's just, 1439 01:01:17,070 --> 01:01:18,090 there's too many players. 1440 01:01:18,090 --> 01:01:18,923 That's my belief. 1441 01:01:18,923 --> 01:01:20,890 But I again, well just one person 1442 01:01:22,102 --> 01:01:23,070 -and sometime an idiot. -But yeah. 1443 01:01:23,070 --> 01:01:24,990 -And I don't think we're- -Well this is, you know, 1444 01:01:24,990 --> 01:01:28,440 wherever this goes is, if it go like, you know, it's very, 1445 01:01:28,440 --> 01:01:29,730 it's very open-ended 1446 01:01:29,730 --> 01:01:32,220 and I think part of what we're we are trying 1447 01:01:32,220 --> 01:01:34,650 to do here is figure out like where is the need? 1448 01:01:34,650 --> 01:01:37,200 Like what, if the need is like information needs 1449 01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,630 to be transferring between states more efficiently in some 1450 01:01:39,630 --> 01:01:42,730 way, like that is very much FEMC's role 1451 01:01:43,917 --> 01:01:44,750 and like how can we help with that? 1452 01:01:44,750 --> 01:01:47,197 Or if it's like we need to figure out how 1453 01:01:47,197 --> 01:01:48,407 to support being able 1454 01:01:48,407 --> 01:01:49,740 to get people out into the field in places 1455 01:01:49,740 --> 01:01:52,620 with fewer resources to do that when that's necessary, 1456 01:01:52,620 --> 01:01:55,290 like maybe that's on more of a state basis. 1457 01:01:55,290 --> 01:01:56,430 Like maybe that's more of an even 1458 01:01:56,430 --> 01:01:58,230 Rhode Island than it is in New York. 1459 01:02:00,846 --> 01:02:01,679 So yeah, I think part 1460 01:02:01,679 --> 01:02:03,150 of it's just identifying like what those needs are. 1461 01:02:03,150 --> 01:02:06,300 I mean, one of the things that FEMC has, well FEMC being me 1462 01:02:06,300 --> 01:02:09,450 and Alyssa have talked about a lot. 1463 01:02:09,450 --> 01:02:11,280 We've talked about it with, with the other staff too. 1464 01:02:11,280 --> 01:02:13,290 But I feel like just you and I have talked about it the most 1465 01:02:13,290 --> 01:02:16,770 is that like, even just having a forum, it doesn't even, 1466 01:02:16,770 --> 01:02:18,840 it doesn't have to be like one that emails you, 1467 01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:20,400 but it could be, but it doesn't have to be. 1468 01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:22,290 Maybe it's like, you know, but 1469 01:02:22,290 --> 01:02:24,030 where people could just post like, Hey, 1470 01:02:24,030 --> 01:02:25,130 I'm like dealing with this. 1471 01:02:25,130 --> 01:02:26,850 Or has anybody heard anything about this yet? 1472 01:02:26,850 --> 01:02:28,740 Or is anybody addressing, some people could reply. 1473 01:02:28,740 --> 01:02:29,902 Because there is none of that. 1474 01:02:29,902 --> 01:02:31,470 Even though FPMC is sort 1475 01:02:31,470 --> 01:02:32,790 of this coordinating network, 1476 01:02:32,790 --> 01:02:36,120 there's actually not a structure for the network to interact 1477 01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:38,620 with each other outside of the state coordinators. 1478 01:02:41,105 --> 01:02:43,620 And I think that's a big limitation to sharing information 1479 01:02:43,620 --> 01:02:46,650 and something that we should probably be trying to address. 1480 01:02:46,650 --> 01:02:50,167 And maybe that's, maybe that would even be like a piece 1481 01:02:50,167 --> 01:02:51,171 of this puzzle. 1482 01:02:51,171 --> 01:02:52,007 Maybe that's the most important piece. 1483 01:02:52,007 --> 01:02:54,600 [Attendee] I was, my mind went exactly there as well. 1484 01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:56,640 If like one of the real issues is this sort 1485 01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:58,503 of more efficient sharing, 1486 01:02:59,682 --> 01:03:00,515 so the information gets out earlier 1487 01:03:00,515 --> 01:03:01,590 before you're waiting for your monthly call 1488 01:03:01,590 --> 01:03:04,366 or you're waiting for your annual meeting. 1489 01:03:04,366 --> 01:03:07,380 But what maybe I'm just always looking 1490 01:03:07,380 --> 01:03:09,390 for the potential holes. 1491 01:03:09,390 --> 01:03:11,130 I just wonder how do you vet that? 1492 01:03:11,130 --> 01:03:13,680 So like, do you have only certain people who are allowed 1493 01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,950 to post before, oh my God, everyone's freaking out 1494 01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:19,920 because some landowner thinks they have 1495 01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:21,409 Asian Longhorn beetle. 1496 01:03:21,409 --> 01:03:25,215 So I, but I, I think that's, that's something that, 1497 01:03:25,215 --> 01:03:28,560 really could really could facilitate it. 1498 01:03:28,560 --> 01:03:29,940 Literally just an open post. 1499 01:03:29,940 --> 01:03:33,300 Has anybody seen this I my pine look crappy? 1500 01:03:33,300 --> 01:03:36,390 Anybody else seeing that's what, you know, what's going on? 1501 01:03:36,390 --> 01:03:39,690 And it would be completely contemporary, right? 1502 01:03:39,690 --> 01:03:40,563 Like dynamic. 1503 01:03:41,940 --> 01:03:43,590 But then the issue becomes 1504 01:03:43,590 --> 01:03:45,630 how do we make sure people know about it? 1505 01:03:45,630 --> 01:03:48,390 That we've identified people who have agreed to post to it 1506 01:03:48,390 --> 01:03:50,280 and that other people are actually looking at it 1507 01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:51,113 so they know when something- 1508 01:03:51,113 --> 01:03:52,530 -Right. -Shows up. 1509 01:03:52,530 --> 01:03:54,060 So, I mean, so it, it wouldn't be an 1510 01:03:54,060 --> 01:03:55,470 easy, it'd be easy to build. 1511 01:03:55,470 --> 01:03:56,987 It would not be easy to make it effective. 1512 01:03:56,987 --> 01:03:58,950 [Attendee] No, it totally would need management. 1513 01:03:58,950 --> 01:04:00,410 -Yeah. -Like that is, 1514 01:04:00,410 --> 01:04:02,820 absolutely would require management. 1515 01:04:02,820 --> 01:04:07,820 And just like you said, somebody to manage it 1516 01:04:07,890 --> 01:04:11,577 and moderate and just like you said, make sure that it's- 1517 01:04:11,577 --> 01:04:14,423 [Attendee] Hey people, you should look at this, this one, 1518 01:04:15,649 --> 01:04:16,517 this one post might be of interest to you. 1519 01:04:16,517 --> 01:04:17,350 -Yeah. Yeah. -But at the same time, 1520 01:04:17,350 --> 01:04:19,980 a lot of that comes out of my bonus shop as well. 1521 01:04:19,980 --> 01:04:23,640 You can use frost damage as a good one this spring that, 1522 01:04:23,640 --> 01:04:26,632 you know, this, the whole region experienced that 1523 01:04:26,632 --> 01:04:28,650 and that it, you know, there was just talk everywhere, 1524 01:04:28,650 --> 01:04:31,000 but my Shop was the one that, you know, kind of 1525 01:04:32,190 --> 01:04:34,050 put everybody together, you know, 1526 01:04:34,050 --> 01:04:35,773 or shared that information. 1527 01:04:36,657 --> 01:04:38,190 [Attendee] Can you say more about how that worked? 1528 01:04:38,190 --> 01:04:40,650 Like what did, how was he sharing that information? 1529 01:04:40,650 --> 01:04:43,620 Was it like via a meeting, via emails going out? 1530 01:04:43,620 --> 01:04:45,240 What was going, what was happening? 1531 01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,893 -Well, so yeah, I,- -I don't, I don't know if- 1532 01:04:48,893 --> 01:04:51,877 -It's like a sticky issue. -Well, no. 1533 01:04:51,877 --> 01:04:55,554 So I was actually getting ready to leave state service. 1534 01:04:55,554 --> 01:04:56,387 -Oh right, yeah. -Somewhere else. 1535 01:04:56,387 --> 01:04:58,898 And I was away for six weeks, so I kind 1536 01:04:58,898 --> 01:05:00,580 of was out of that one a little bit. 1537 01:05:00,580 --> 01:05:02,310 -Okay. -Maybe you two could, 1538 01:05:02,310 --> 01:05:04,740 you know, give a little more info on that. 1539 01:05:04,740 --> 01:05:06,773 [Attendee] Not maybe me and I'm brand new. 1540 01:05:09,223 --> 01:05:11,700 [Attendee] I probably, yeah, Mike being a hub 1541 01:05:11,700 --> 01:05:15,240 and like hearing from all of us, it just, yeah, 1542 01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:18,384 he caught on to a region wide need 1543 01:05:18,384 --> 01:05:20,820 and then actually, you know, he delegated, 1544 01:05:20,820 --> 01:05:24,450 they had a GIS person just looking 1545 01:05:24,450 --> 01:05:27,900 or remote GIS person who's looking into the remote sensing, 1546 01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:30,709 like kind of picking up those type of signatures and stuff. 1547 01:05:30,709 --> 01:05:33,083 So just, I guess, yeah- 1548 01:05:33,083 --> 01:05:34,630 -it just- -But yeah, 1549 01:05:34,630 --> 01:05:35,463 I was gonna say, I think, 1550 01:05:35,463 --> 01:05:37,380 I'm just trying to recall, you know, in the back of my mind, 1551 01:05:37,380 --> 01:05:40,330 I think state coordinator meetings 1552 01:05:40,330 --> 01:05:43,560 where I think I first heard it, I mean, we were seeing it, 1553 01:05:43,560 --> 01:05:45,300 but we thought maybe we were the only ones. 1554 01:05:45,300 --> 01:05:47,970 And then I think that's where we actually heard it first. 1555 01:05:47,970 --> 01:05:49,410 And that's why I go back and I say that, 1556 01:05:49,410 --> 01:05:50,660 but having those monthly calls 1557 01:05:50,660 --> 01:05:53,100 -is actually- -So you solved 1558 01:05:53,100 --> 01:05:54,486 the problem already. 1559 01:05:54,486 --> 01:05:58,473 It's be a new person. 1560 01:05:59,615 --> 01:06:01,350 [Attendee] Like there was another great one on 1561 01:06:01,350 --> 01:06:04,110 one of the calls, like the maple that everybody would see. 1562 01:06:04,110 --> 01:06:06,327 -Oh yeah. -Maple or crappy, 1563 01:06:06,327 --> 01:06:08,904 crappy fall color in Connecticut. 1564 01:06:08,904 --> 01:06:11,675 -Yeah. Here too. -Actually don't, 1565 01:06:11,675 --> 01:06:13,756 nobody wanted, don't quote. 1566 01:06:13,756 --> 01:06:16,506 (group laughing) 1567 01:06:21,238 --> 01:06:22,071 But here it was like the same, it was like really dull 1568 01:06:22,071 --> 01:06:24,630 and nobody wanted to talk about it being really dull. 1569 01:06:24,630 --> 01:06:27,058 -Yeah. -But I still wonder like who, 1570 01:06:27,058 --> 01:06:29,795 I don't know why but I think of the network 1571 01:06:29,795 --> 01:06:32,340 as being so much more broad than the, 1572 01:06:32,340 --> 01:06:34,440 than the public agencies. 1573 01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:38,700 And I feel like there's still like a potential 1574 01:06:38,700 --> 01:06:42,210 that is missed by not including people outside 1575 01:06:42,210 --> 01:06:45,099 of the government agencies in those conversations. 1576 01:06:45,099 --> 01:06:49,050 And I think of Tony D'Amato, who's got crews out, you know, 1577 01:06:49,050 --> 01:06:52,140 every summer doing work across the region. 1578 01:06:52,140 --> 01:06:53,790 And what if he saw something? 1579 01:06:53,790 --> 01:06:55,470 I mean, he would know, he would know who to call. 1580 01:06:55,470 --> 01:06:57,300 But I mean, does everybody know who to call? 1581 01:06:57,300 --> 01:06:58,694 [Jeff] But I, yeah, 1582 01:06:58,694 --> 01:07:00,946 I think that's already in place. 1583 01:07:00,946 --> 01:07:01,890 Networks, I think that's already in place. 1584 01:07:01,890 --> 01:07:03,780 I mean, for us, we have the CFRU 1585 01:07:03,780 --> 01:07:05,400 that works outta the university 1586 01:07:05,400 --> 01:07:08,490 and they found PLD for us in Burlington. 1587 01:07:08,490 --> 01:07:11,285 So they reached out to us, you know, so I think, you know, 1588 01:07:11,285 --> 01:07:15,070 probably within each state, a lot of those 1589 01:07:16,567 --> 01:07:17,640 ties already exist. 1590 01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:20,910 [Thom] Well sometimes that can come back and bite you 1591 01:07:20,910 --> 01:07:23,970 because like with spot line, you know. 1592 01:07:23,970 --> 01:07:25,707 Yes. We want people to report it. 1593 01:07:25,707 --> 01:07:28,685 And then, you know, when there's thousands upon thousands 1594 01:07:28,685 --> 01:07:31,670 of them at Staten Island, we don't need Staten Island 1595 01:07:31,670 --> 01:07:34,860 to report them anymore, but they keep doing it. 1596 01:07:34,860 --> 01:07:37,935 And this year it was all of New York City, 1597 01:07:37,935 --> 01:07:39,090 Nassau County and Westchester 1598 01:07:39,090 --> 01:07:41,700 and trying to get that message to, you know, thank you 1599 01:07:41,700 --> 01:07:43,440 for reporting, but, but no, thank you. 1600 01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:47,153 Yeah. What, how, but you know, what's there, we, we need 1601 01:07:47,153 --> 01:07:47,986 to know where it's, you know, 1602 01:07:47,986 --> 01:07:48,819 -the new area is- -Yeah. 1603 01:07:48,819 --> 01:07:50,250 -So that we can respond. -What is your, 1604 01:07:50,250 --> 01:07:53,040 what is your reporting process? 1605 01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:54,720 Depends on the pest. 1606 01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,570 Typically we avoid phone- 1607 01:07:57,570 --> 01:07:59,120 -contact. -Yeah, yeah. 1608 01:07:59,120 --> 01:08:00,713 -Because that takes staff. -Yeah. 1609 01:08:02,661 --> 01:08:03,900 [Jeff] An artifact from years ago that the Asian 1610 01:08:03,900 --> 01:08:06,990 Longhorn Bees still has a phone reporting an 866 1611 01:08:06,990 --> 01:08:08,943 number that you can report it to. 1612 01:08:10,457 --> 01:08:12,240 Typically we use online reporting tools 1613 01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,010 that are, are GIS based. 1614 01:08:14,010 --> 01:08:15,870 So it's just a quick short little survey. 1615 01:08:15,870 --> 01:08:17,133 They can submit a photo. 1616 01:08:18,350 --> 01:08:20,153 We thoroughly encourage people to put photos in. 1617 01:08:21,060 --> 01:08:22,920 [Attendee] But that way at least you could ignore. 1618 01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:23,790 You could be like, okay, yep. 1619 01:08:23,790 --> 01:08:25,698 You know, it's on Long Island, we don't even know- 1620 01:08:25,698 --> 01:08:28,389 -Exactly. -We could filter 1621 01:08:28,389 --> 01:08:29,788 it by zip code. 1622 01:08:29,788 --> 01:08:32,340 -Yeah. -It's not a 100%, 1623 01:08:32,340 --> 01:08:35,643 because we've had issues where people from, you know, 1624 01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:40,005 one location, they're reporting it from their address, 1625 01:08:40,005 --> 01:08:41,640 but they saw it somewhere else. 1626 01:08:41,640 --> 01:08:43,972 They saw it at their vacation. 1627 01:08:43,972 --> 01:08:44,971 -Right. -Yeah. 1628 01:08:44,971 --> 01:08:46,529 So the location doesn't always match the zip code. 1629 01:08:46,529 --> 01:08:47,453 -Yeah. -So there are some, 1630 01:08:47,453 --> 01:08:50,813 there's a margin of error there that we recognize. 1631 01:08:50,813 --> 01:08:52,890 And we, and we've also had issues where, you know, 1632 01:08:52,890 --> 01:08:54,300 where it wasn't in New York City, 1633 01:08:54,300 --> 01:08:56,391 we had somebody from Pennsylvania report it 1634 01:08:56,391 --> 01:08:59,532 and they were reporting it 1635 01:08:59,532 --> 01:09:00,365 because they were in Pennsylvania, 1636 01:09:00,365 --> 01:09:02,640 but there was college student in Brooklyn, New York, 1637 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,327 and they were reporting it from Brooklyn, 1638 01:09:04,327 --> 01:09:07,170 but they saw it in Pennsylvania. 1639 01:09:07,170 --> 01:09:09,430 And that was before we had it in New York. 1640 01:09:09,430 --> 01:09:11,640 And it was like all the alarm bells went off 1641 01:09:11,640 --> 01:09:14,430 and then it was like, oh, this is from Pennsylvania, 1642 01:09:14,430 --> 01:09:16,800 then thank you for reporting it. 1643 01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:18,813 -So- -But that's, 1644 01:09:18,813 --> 01:09:19,646 but that's maybe part of it. 1645 01:09:19,646 --> 01:09:21,330 So what you're describing is what New York has, 1646 01:09:21,330 --> 01:09:23,040 do you have a GIS based 1647 01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:24,687 reporting system that's online? 1648 01:09:24,687 --> 01:09:26,370 [Attendee] It's not, we have a reporting system 1649 01:09:26,370 --> 01:09:28,873 and it's through our CAPS cooperative 1650 01:09:28,873 --> 01:09:30,113 there cultural test survey. 1651 01:09:32,628 --> 01:09:33,690 So it's supposed to be invasive species reporting on framed 1652 01:09:33,690 --> 01:09:36,384 as agriculture, but it gets used 1653 01:09:36,384 --> 01:09:38,520 from the public for everything. 1654 01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,500 And, and it's a another testament to like yeah. 1655 01:09:42,500 --> 01:09:44,790 on one hand, like, so the people 1656 01:09:44,790 --> 01:09:47,550 who receive those reports are literally the CAPS coordinator 1657 01:09:47,550 --> 01:09:49,602 -and me and- -We're in the same boat. 1658 01:09:49,602 --> 01:09:51,640 That's usually Mike Dorgan and myself. 1659 01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:53,100 [Attendee] Yeah. We're filtering through. 1660 01:09:53,100 --> 01:09:54,480 And a lot of them are like, I have dead 1661 01:09:54,480 --> 01:09:55,620 and dying trees, period. 1662 01:09:55,620 --> 01:09:57,960 No, no picture. 1663 01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:00,570 So Rhode Island smaller, we get less reports. 1664 01:10:00,570 --> 01:10:02,190 So it's manageable just the two people. 1665 01:10:02,190 --> 01:10:04,623 But I can mention New York. 1666 01:10:06,137 --> 01:10:08,310 [Thom] So the online reporting tools we can have 1667 01:10:09,484 --> 01:10:11,090 and you know, say if one person person's out, it doesn't go 1668 01:10:11,090 --> 01:10:14,250 to one email box, multiple people can check that. 1669 01:10:14,250 --> 01:10:17,880 And we can coordinate internally 1670 01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:19,440 who has access to that. 1671 01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:20,273 So that helps. 1672 01:10:20,273 --> 01:10:22,530 And then also routing them into different tubs. 1673 01:10:22,530 --> 01:10:23,363 -Yeah. -You know, 1674 01:10:23,363 --> 01:10:24,196 these are New York City, 1675 01:10:24,196 --> 01:10:26,040 we don't need to respond to these right away. 1676 01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,231 They get a automated response so 1677 01:10:28,231 --> 01:10:30,180 that they're getting responded to immediately, 1678 01:10:30,180 --> 01:10:32,670 which they like, but sometimes they don't get the answer 1679 01:10:32,670 --> 01:10:35,087 they want, which is come take down my tree. 1680 01:10:35,087 --> 01:10:36,967 No, we're not taking it down your tree. 1681 01:10:36,967 --> 01:10:38,079 -Yeah, yeah. -Because it has 1682 01:10:38,079 --> 01:10:39,071 spotted lantern fly, sorry. 1683 01:10:39,071 --> 01:10:43,290 Or Asian Longhorn Beetle when it's, you know, (indistinct) 1684 01:10:43,290 --> 01:10:45,303 or (indistinct) beetle or something. 1685 01:10:46,620 --> 01:10:51,360 So the, they sometimes they'll report and report 1686 01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:52,890 and report until they, you know, they think 1687 01:10:52,890 --> 01:10:55,410 that squeaky wheel will get the, you know, the grease 1688 01:10:55,410 --> 01:10:57,030 and that doesn't always work. 1689 01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:59,790 -Yeah. -But for the vast majority, 1690 01:10:59,790 --> 01:11:01,560 those reporting tools work 1691 01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:04,011 and each one is specific to a pest. 1692 01:11:04,011 --> 01:11:06,332 So we have, there's one for spotted lantern fly, 1693 01:11:06,332 --> 01:11:07,800 there's one for the box tree moth, 1694 01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,290 there's one for European trade fruit fly. 1695 01:11:10,290 --> 01:11:12,533 So there's, there's, you know, there's, there's other, 1696 01:11:13,633 --> 01:11:15,915 it's not one tool, it's not like a one stop shop 1697 01:11:15,915 --> 01:11:18,713 and they have to be set up by the survey coordinator, 1698 01:11:18,713 --> 01:11:22,533 Mike Dorgan's, the one who does it internally for us. 1699 01:11:23,430 --> 01:11:24,306 So those tools do help. 1700 01:11:24,306 --> 01:11:26,058 -And- -Would a one stop shop 1701 01:11:26,058 --> 01:11:28,830 be helpful from the user, 1702 01:11:28,830 --> 01:11:32,096 from the reporter perspective? 1703 01:11:32,096 --> 01:11:34,058 No, no, we touched on that. 1704 01:11:34,058 --> 01:11:34,891 That we have. 1705 01:11:34,891 --> 01:11:35,970 So we have two reporting systems, 1706 01:11:35,970 --> 01:11:37,560 basically we have CAPS, 1707 01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:39,450 which it's really kind of a catchall. 1708 01:11:39,450 --> 01:11:41,700 And then we do have a specific spotted lantern. 1709 01:11:41,700 --> 01:11:44,187 I say we, because I'm technically agriculture 1710 01:11:44,187 --> 01:11:46,050 and forestry, I always say have division forestry, 1711 01:11:46,050 --> 01:11:48,357 but we are agriculture forestry together. 1712 01:11:48,357 --> 01:11:50,807 And we have a spotted lantern fly reporting tool. 1713 01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:55,470 But we don't, we, we don't really do separate surveys just 1714 01:11:55,470 --> 01:11:57,960 because again, capacity, who's gonna do it? 1715 01:11:57,960 --> 01:12:00,636 But, and the CAPS monitor that, 1716 01:12:00,636 --> 01:12:04,170 or that catchall survey is really supposed to be for CAPS. 1717 01:12:04,170 --> 01:12:06,130 But I'm on it and I'm monitor it just 1718 01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,484 because you kind of speaking to like in a, 1719 01:12:09,484 --> 01:12:11,190 in the command response, like, well, 1720 01:12:11,190 --> 01:12:12,870 who's got, who's gonna do it? 1721 01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:14,403 Who's got, who's getting funded to do it? 1722 01:12:14,403 --> 01:12:17,283 Like I don't, that's not what I do monitoring that survey. 1723 01:12:17,283 --> 01:12:19,500 It's not at all in my job description, but I do it 1724 01:12:19,500 --> 01:12:24,210 because I see the relevance of it if I do catch something. 1725 01:12:24,210 --> 01:12:26,790 But you know, it's weeding through a lot of stuff 1726 01:12:26,790 --> 01:12:27,660 -that- -Chief 1727 01:12:27,660 --> 01:12:29,070 [Attendee] Yeah. Yeah. 1728 01:12:29,070 --> 01:12:31,328 So the catch, it's difficult. 1729 01:12:31,328 --> 01:12:32,843 You know, I'm trying to get the most value 1730 01:12:32,843 --> 01:12:33,676 out of it and I do, 1731 01:12:33,676 --> 01:12:35,100 -but- -It definitely slows 1732 01:12:35,100 --> 01:12:36,690 things down, because you can't respond 1733 01:12:36,690 --> 01:12:40,560 because we even get people reporting, you know, 1734 01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:41,460 northern giant hornets 1735 01:12:41,460 --> 01:12:43,440 to the spotted lantern fly page 1736 01:12:43,440 --> 01:12:45,849 because they don't, and there's a tool for that, 1737 01:12:45,849 --> 01:12:47,193 -but they don't know it. -Yeah. 1738 01:12:47,193 --> 01:12:49,068 [Thom] But they see the advertising for the SLF 1739 01:12:49,068 --> 01:12:50,792 and they're like, oh, I'm gonna report this pest here 1740 01:12:50,792 --> 01:12:53,610 and then it take and it just slows things down. 1741 01:12:53,610 --> 01:12:56,008 -Yes. -Versus using the actual 1742 01:12:56,008 --> 01:12:56,841 tool that's set up for it. 1743 01:12:56,841 --> 01:12:59,940 It it really slowed things down. 1744 01:12:59,940 --> 01:13:02,280 [Attendee] If it was somebody like, this is your job 1745 01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:03,660 where you have a small portion of your job 1746 01:13:03,660 --> 01:13:05,103 to monitor catchall- 1747 01:13:07,440 --> 01:13:08,843 [Attendee] A headache file. 1748 01:13:10,134 --> 01:13:11,933 -Yeah. -That's not really, yeah. 1749 01:13:11,933 --> 01:13:15,933 Us anybody's responsibility. It's difficult. 1750 01:13:16,908 --> 01:13:18,060 [Thom] The other thing that we use is IMAP invasive. 1751 01:13:18,060 --> 01:13:21,060 We encourage if everyone, you know, 1752 01:13:21,060 --> 01:13:24,991 if you want to report us invasive species, please report it 1753 01:13:24,991 --> 01:13:26,250 through, you know, if it's not more than one specific 1754 01:13:26,250 --> 01:13:29,010 programs that we have set up, that might not be something 1755 01:13:29,010 --> 01:13:31,830 that, you know, if you want to report canary grass 1756 01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:35,249 or you know, some that we're not concerned with, 1757 01:13:35,249 --> 01:13:36,930 because it's an agricultural product. 1758 01:13:36,930 --> 01:13:40,523 You can report it in in IMAP and that's great. 1759 01:13:40,523 --> 01:13:44,910 So, and it doesn't take our time to know 1760 01:13:44,910 --> 01:13:47,564 that somebody found green canary grass in a pasture 1761 01:13:47,564 --> 01:13:50,190 because it's wet clay soil 1762 01:13:50,190 --> 01:13:52,743 and it's the only forage they can possibly grow. 1763 01:13:54,161 --> 01:13:55,980 [Attendee] But this is really, this is fascinating. 1764 01:13:55,980 --> 01:14:00,060 So how, so I'm at Davis, I've love cool, 1765 01:14:00,060 --> 01:14:01,890 cool citizen science, right? 1766 01:14:01,890 --> 01:14:06,240 Who then gets that? How is that information disseminated? 1767 01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:07,073 Do you have to go and look? 1768 01:14:07,073 --> 01:14:07,906 You decide I'm gonna look 1769 01:14:07,906 --> 01:14:09,663 -at IMAP basis- -I get alerts. 1770 01:14:10,836 --> 01:14:11,940 So as, as again, 1771 01:14:11,940 --> 01:14:15,180 if there's specific pasts like Asian Longhorn Beetle, 1772 01:14:15,180 --> 01:14:17,670 Northern Giant Hornet, spotted lantern fly, 1773 01:14:17,670 --> 01:14:18,750 those alerts come to me. 1774 01:14:18,750 --> 01:14:22,470 And there's different settings like Northern Giant Hornet, 1775 01:14:22,470 --> 01:14:25,470 Asian Longhorn Beetle are set to confidential. 1776 01:14:25,470 --> 01:14:28,740 So if somebody reports it, they can't even see their report. 1777 01:14:28,740 --> 01:14:30,330 The public can't see the report. 1778 01:14:30,330 --> 01:14:33,810 But a select few people can see those reports 1779 01:14:33,810 --> 01:14:36,547 and respond this, my job position, 1780 01:14:37,951 --> 01:14:40,215 little Giant Hornet, 1781 01:14:40,215 --> 01:14:41,229 they're reporting European Hornet. 1782 01:14:41,229 --> 01:14:42,570 Okay, thank you. We're done. 1783 01:14:42,570 --> 01:14:44,070 Where with Asian Longhorn Beetle, 1784 01:14:44,070 --> 01:14:45,930 there could be trade implications 1785 01:14:45,930 --> 01:14:47,675 and that could seriously negatively impact somebody's 1786 01:14:47,675 --> 01:14:52,473 business when it's not Asian Longhorn Beetle. 1787 01:14:53,460 --> 01:14:56,190 So we have those safeguards in place. 1788 01:14:56,190 --> 01:14:58,650 And then spotted lantern fly is kind of a middle ground 1789 01:14:58,650 --> 01:15:01,920 where it's confidential until it's confirmed. 1790 01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:03,058 Right? 1791 01:15:03,058 --> 01:15:03,891 Because if it's in a new county 1792 01:15:03,891 --> 01:15:05,850 or if it's something similar, we want to make sure 1793 01:15:05,850 --> 01:15:08,040 that it's actually in that county. 1794 01:15:08,040 --> 01:15:10,770 And then we can respond, collect an official sample, 1795 01:15:10,770 --> 01:15:14,220 get a confirmation, and then let the municipalities know. 1796 01:15:14,220 --> 01:15:15,884 Let the extension office know 1797 01:15:15,884 --> 01:15:18,420 and then announce it to the public. 1798 01:15:18,420 --> 01:15:20,283 If it's in a new county, if it's in a county that 1799 01:15:20,283 --> 01:15:23,070 that already has it, thank you for reporting it. 1800 01:15:23,070 --> 01:15:25,440 Click it's confirmed and off it goes 1801 01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:27,150 and the public can see those. 1802 01:15:27,150 --> 01:15:28,968 But if it's in a new area 1803 01:15:28,968 --> 01:15:33,720 or in a first in county situation, you know, we limit that 1804 01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:36,401 until it's you know, it's confidential until confirmed. 1805 01:15:36,401 --> 01:15:39,140 And for spotted lantern fly, nine times out 1806 01:15:39,140 --> 01:15:43,690 of 10, 99 times out of a 100, it's me that's confirming 1807 01:15:46,560 --> 01:15:47,956 [Attendee] This is, yeah. 1808 01:15:47,956 --> 01:15:50,160 So I'm, IMAP Invasive is pretty stinking 1809 01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:53,100 cool as a tool. 1810 01:15:53,100 --> 01:15:57,930 I'm just wondering who, who maintains and funds this. 1811 01:15:57,930 --> 01:16:01,140 Is it different for each of the states? It's New York. 1812 01:16:01,140 --> 01:16:02,040 [Thom] Well it's not just New York. 1813 01:16:02,040 --> 01:16:05,563 [Attendee] There's nation, well, I mean they have, 1814 01:16:05,563 --> 01:16:06,480 I'm looking at who pays for it. 1815 01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:07,530 -Yeah. -Who maintains it? 1816 01:16:07,530 --> 01:16:08,970 Each state has their own site, 1817 01:16:08,970 --> 01:16:10,440 -but I'm- -I think 1818 01:16:10,440 --> 01:16:12,180 NatureServe maintains it. 1819 01:16:12,180 --> 01:16:14,430 [Attendee] And Nick, who funds NatureServe? 1820 01:16:16,110 --> 01:16:17,580 [Nick] I believe in New York State 1821 01:16:17,580 --> 01:16:19,158 that they get money from the they- 1822 01:16:19,158 --> 01:16:23,279 [Attendee] Except I'm just wondering like that, 1823 01:16:23,279 --> 01:16:25,209 things like that always make me nervous 1824 01:16:25,209 --> 01:16:26,970 if they're not embedded within a 1825 01:16:26,970 --> 01:16:29,340 government agency because of longevity. 1826 01:16:29,340 --> 01:16:31,620 I mean, software updates, right? Yeah. 1827 01:16:31,620 --> 01:16:35,130 Well, in New York it's Ma IMAP is, is it's, 1828 01:16:35,130 --> 01:16:36,699 -it's owned by Nature- -Nature Serve. 1829 01:16:36,699 --> 01:16:37,532 [Jen] Nature Serve, 1830 01:16:37,532 --> 01:16:39,839 -but it's managed- -Natural 1831 01:16:39,839 --> 01:16:41,598 -Heritage program. -Natural Heritage program. 1832 01:16:41,598 --> 01:16:43,263 -But that's, -Which I believe is, 1833 01:16:43,263 --> 01:16:45,360 it's either state funded through a budget 1834 01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:48,570 or it's funded through the EPF, which I believe it's funded 1835 01:16:48,570 --> 01:16:50,040 through the Environmental Protective Fund. 1836 01:16:50,040 --> 01:16:51,900 Look at this, there's one in Arizona, 1837 01:16:51,900 --> 01:16:54,360 so it must be like whatever state forks up the money, 1838 01:16:54,360 --> 01:16:55,653 gets a page. 1839 01:16:57,399 --> 01:16:58,380 [Nick] There could be a report in Arizona. 1840 01:16:58,380 --> 01:16:59,803 And Arizona doesn't use IMAP 1841 01:16:59,803 --> 01:17:02,397 because an IMAP user was in Arizona on vacation. 1842 01:17:02,397 --> 01:17:03,230 [Attendee] No, no. 1843 01:17:03,230 --> 01:17:04,980 Participating jurisdictions. 1844 01:17:04,980 --> 01:17:06,060 -Arizona? -Arizona. 1845 01:17:06,060 --> 01:17:11,040 Maine, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, SK? 1846 01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:13,429 -That's Saskatchewan. -Saskatchewan. 1847 01:17:13,429 --> 01:17:14,262 Okay. Thank you. 1848 01:17:14,262 --> 01:17:17,670 Shows how US-centric I am and the Maritimes. 1849 01:17:17,670 --> 01:17:20,253 Those are the only participating jurisdictions. 1850 01:17:25,408 --> 01:17:27,384 [Attendee] But you can report it anyway. 1851 01:17:27,384 --> 01:17:28,407 [Attendee] Well, yeah, of course. 1852 01:17:28,407 --> 01:17:29,403 But I mean, but, but who's going to, 1853 01:17:29,403 --> 01:17:30,409 who's the key person who's gonna be alerted 1854 01:17:30,409 --> 01:17:31,242 if somebody reports it? 1855 01:17:31,242 --> 01:17:32,075 Nobody, right? 1856 01:17:32,075 --> 01:17:33,243 -There's a gap. -Yeah. 1857 01:17:36,420 --> 01:17:37,820 -Follow up matrix. -Sure. 1858 01:17:38,924 --> 01:17:40,380 [Attendee] And another, well, you know, off track. 1859 01:17:40,380 --> 01:17:41,730 But as far as sharing information 1860 01:17:41,730 --> 01:17:45,243 and data, things that go into iNaturalist 1861 01:17:45,243 --> 01:17:50,243 that are invasive species can be crosswalk into IMAP. 1862 01:17:50,430 --> 01:17:51,843 And I get those alerts. 1863 01:17:53,945 --> 01:17:56,777 So, so I, I can give them to IMAP from those alerts 1864 01:17:56,777 --> 01:17:59,100 and I can look at, you know, the original, 1865 01:17:59,100 --> 01:18:01,497 the original post was from, it's in IMAP, 1866 01:18:01,497 --> 01:18:03,197 but the original data 1867 01:18:03,197 --> 01:18:06,030 is in iNaturalist and I can, and there's a link. . 1868 01:18:06,030 --> 01:18:07,980 It used to be have to log out, 1869 01:18:07,980 --> 01:18:11,307 copy the copy the record number, go and iNaturalist. 1870 01:18:11,307 --> 01:18:12,330 But now you just click 1871 01:18:12,330 --> 01:18:14,088 the link and it brings it right there. 1872 01:18:14,088 --> 01:18:14,970 -Nice. -And you can usually 1873 01:18:14,970 --> 01:18:16,870 confirm it or deny it from photos, so. 1874 01:18:17,812 --> 01:18:20,100 [Attendee] Yeah, I'm just thinking, I mean, your testimony 1875 01:18:20,100 --> 01:18:21,900 that it's actually been helpful to you is really, 1876 01:18:21,900 --> 01:18:23,760 I think interesting and I- 1877 01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:25,860 -What's been helpful? -IMAP Invasive. 1878 01:18:25,860 --> 01:18:27,510 -Very much so. -So that's what I'm think, 1879 01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:30,450 do other people know that that's an actually really useful 1880 01:18:30,450 --> 01:18:33,360 resource that they might want to adopt? 1881 01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,300 I don't, I don't know. That's great to hear. 1882 01:18:36,300 --> 01:18:39,551 [Attendee] And, and we get all Asian long bottleneck 1883 01:18:39,551 --> 01:18:41,850 or fly all kinds of things reported in there that, you know, 1884 01:18:41,850 --> 01:18:44,449 Northern Giant Hornet, there's another one. 1885 01:18:44,449 --> 01:18:48,840 -But. -So there's five 1886 01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:49,713 minutes left. 1887 01:18:52,260 --> 01:18:54,600 -I apologize if I talk- -No, I think 1888 01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:55,440 you're learning so much. 1889 01:18:55,440 --> 01:18:58,613 I think I have like eight pages of notes. 1890 01:19:00,720 --> 01:19:05,313 Is there anything to do to wrap up to thank you. 1891 01:19:06,319 --> 01:19:08,432 -We don't know. -I think there's 1892 01:19:08,432 --> 01:19:09,265 gotta any follow up, honestly, 1893 01:19:09,265 --> 01:19:11,315 I mean the notes that I have, 1894 01:19:11,315 --> 01:19:15,930 I feel like are incredibly a, a great framework that I need 1895 01:19:15,930 --> 01:19:19,200 a lot of background and corrections on. 1896 01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:23,430 So I would ask if anybody is willing for us to follow up 1897 01:19:23,430 --> 01:19:26,310 with them to help us actually fill in those gaps. 1898 01:19:26,310 --> 01:19:28,020 I mean, I feel like from what we've heard, we could start 1899 01:19:28,020 --> 01:19:31,170 to build that base network and it's not gonna be complete, 1900 01:19:31,170 --> 01:19:33,390 but at least we can see what the first things 1901 01:19:33,390 --> 01:19:36,270 that bubbled up that are what are available out there. 1902 01:19:36,270 --> 01:19:39,030 And then maybe, you know, get a working group 1903 01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:40,740 to see if there are gaps or- 1904 01:19:40,740 --> 01:19:43,111 [Attendee] I would just preface it with 1905 01:19:43,111 --> 01:19:45,930 that's the New York State Ag Market perspective. 1906 01:19:45,930 --> 01:19:48,109 There's EC members, you know, 1907 01:19:48,109 --> 01:19:49,773 so they have a slightly different 1908 01:19:49,773 --> 01:19:52,892 perspective on it, I'm sure. 1909 01:19:52,892 --> 01:19:53,730 [Attendee] Yeah. Right. 1910 01:19:53,730 --> 01:19:55,503 Jess can probably help fill that. 1911 01:19:58,651 --> 01:19:59,736 -Or Justin. -Yeah. 1912 01:19:59,736 --> 01:20:00,873 You know, I'm sure Jess 1913 01:20:00,873 --> 01:20:05,873 has been very busy recently, so yeah. 1914 01:20:06,341 --> 01:20:07,560 [Attendee] But I think this has been really helpful. 1915 01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:11,700 I want to thank you because I learned a lot today. 1916 01:20:11,700 --> 01:20:13,560 Including SPUD is my new favorite acronym. 1917 01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:15,150 [Attendee] Yeah, me too. 1918 01:20:15,150 --> 01:20:16,470 -I appreciate miss that one. -I appreciate 1919 01:20:16,470 --> 01:20:18,299 the willingness to just pivot and have a conversation. 1920 01:20:18,299 --> 01:20:20,523 That was really helpful. 1921 01:20:21,628 --> 01:20:22,809 [Attendee] I agree. 1922 01:20:22,809 --> 01:20:23,807 The current spud for Louisiana 1923 01:20:23,807 --> 01:20:27,093 has a (indistinct) on his status. 1924 01:20:29,010 --> 01:20:30,695 -Perfect. -He was given that when he, 1925 01:20:30,695 --> 01:20:32,853 when he got in that position, so. 1926 01:20:34,434 --> 01:20:36,434 -I love it. -Great. 1927 01:20:37,792 --> 01:20:38,625 Do you all know 1928 01:20:38,625 --> 01:20:41,070 where you're gonna go next steps with this? 1929 01:20:41,070 --> 01:20:43,800 [Attendee] Well, there's a, there's the complicated piece. 1930 01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,450 As those of you who are in our meeting yesterday know 1931 01:20:47,881 --> 01:20:48,893 that like we don't know 1932 01:20:48,893 --> 01:20:51,000 how much staff time we're gonna get to dedicate to this. 1933 01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:53,250 Alyssa's interested in it- 1934 01:20:53,250 --> 01:20:54,767 -Maybe. -But maybe- 1935 01:20:54,767 --> 01:20:55,950 It's even a need. 1936 01:20:55,950 --> 01:20:56,880 -I mean, I think- -Right. 1937 01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:58,697 [Attendee] That's why we trying to need this, 1938 01:20:58,697 --> 01:21:00,256 this is already being done every, 1939 01:21:00,256 --> 01:21:01,089 every time, every hole I tried 1940 01:21:01,089 --> 01:21:03,417 to find you're like, they're doing that. 1941 01:21:03,417 --> 01:21:06,076 This person's doing it. That person. No, no, that's good. 1942 01:21:06,076 --> 01:21:08,670 That's what we want to hear. I mean that's beautiful. 1943 01:21:08,670 --> 01:21:10,830 And so maybe it is just identifying all 1944 01:21:10,830 --> 01:21:11,663 of the, they're already doing that. 1945 01:21:11,663 --> 01:21:13,256 They're already doing that. 1946 01:21:13,256 --> 01:21:14,460 And so if someone who is new 1947 01:21:14,460 --> 01:21:17,010 to the realm needs to understand where to go 1948 01:21:17,010 --> 01:21:19,676 or where to look, there would be a resource for that. 1949 01:21:19,676 --> 01:21:21,540 Maybe that's the extent of it. 1950 01:21:21,540 --> 01:21:22,710 -Yeah. -So there's more nodes 1951 01:21:22,710 --> 01:21:24,187 and edges than you thought. 1952 01:21:24,187 --> 01:21:26,250 [Attendee] There are so many nodes and edges 1953 01:21:26,250 --> 01:21:28,500 and I think there's even more than we've talked about. 1954 01:21:28,500 --> 01:21:31,590 But I think that's not something that we can- 1955 01:21:31,590 --> 01:21:32,423 [Attendee] No, we can't, 1956 01:21:32,423 --> 01:21:33,270 we didn't know most of these things 1957 01:21:33,270 --> 01:21:36,170 so we we are not fill it out. Yeah. 1958 01:21:36,170 --> 01:21:39,300 [Attendee] Could maybe try together a call together, 1959 01:21:39,300 --> 01:21:41,970 an expert working group that includes aphids 1960 01:21:41,970 --> 01:21:45,480 and my everybody and ask them to do it. 1961 01:21:45,480 --> 01:21:47,400 But again, would that even be useful if the 1962 01:21:47,400 --> 01:21:49,321 states already know what they're doing? 1963 01:21:49,321 --> 01:21:50,154 [Attendee] Yeah, I think the piece 1964 01:21:50,154 --> 01:21:51,420 that I keep coming back to is 1965 01:21:51,420 --> 01:21:52,890 what you brought up yesterday. 1966 01:21:52,890 --> 01:21:55,080 Just that like if there is a need for people 1967 01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:56,190 to do field work 1968 01:21:56,190 --> 01:21:58,350 and it's a place where there isn't the resource for 1969 01:21:58,350 --> 01:22:01,020 that available, what happens? 1970 01:22:01,020 --> 01:22:02,250 Like that piece still feels like a 1971 01:22:02,250 --> 01:22:04,677 gap to me that I don't know. 1972 01:22:04,677 --> 01:22:06,420 [Attendee] Yeah, ad I'm just kind 1973 01:22:06,420 --> 01:22:09,990 of just think like I just knew became privy to the, 1974 01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:13,770 the whole four fire compact for working team. 1975 01:22:13,770 --> 01:22:15,750 The deployments that the funding 1976 01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:18,025 that there could be possible deployment. 1977 01:22:18,025 --> 01:22:19,620 -Yeah. So maybe that's a- -Yeah, I don't- 1978 01:22:19,620 --> 01:22:21,210 [Attendee] I think they're meeting next month. 1979 01:22:21,210 --> 01:22:23,760 -Yeah, I'm going. -I think it's the first 1980 01:22:23,760 --> 01:22:24,593 -of next month. -Yeah. 1981 01:22:24,593 --> 01:22:26,100 So it's been a learning curve for me. 1982 01:22:26,100 --> 01:22:28,110 [Attendee] Oh that's the thing that they were like, 1983 01:22:28,110 --> 01:22:29,610 there's not a Connecticut representative. 1984 01:22:29,610 --> 01:22:31,140 I'm like I can't, I technically 1985 01:22:32,064 --> 01:22:33,714 still have to write publications. 1986 01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:38,523 [Attendee] That's actually another really interesting- 1987 01:22:38,523 --> 01:22:40,523 [Attendee] But like Connecticut 1988 01:22:40,523 --> 01:22:41,565 -doesn't have- -That's so interesting. 1989 01:22:41,565 --> 01:22:43,963 Like yeah ad so every, 1990 01:22:43,963 --> 01:22:47,340 for Rhode Island capacity is small. 1991 01:22:47,340 --> 01:22:49,800 I'm the only staff staff person for Forest Health. 1992 01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:51,360 So every single one of these committees 1993 01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:53,340 and representatives, I am that one. 1994 01:22:53,340 --> 01:22:55,170 Unless I do have somebody who's case do it. 1995 01:22:55,170 --> 01:22:57,088 [Attendee] Yeah, I know. They're like- 1996 01:22:57,088 --> 01:22:59,503 [Attendee] I think that sometimes that's good 1997 01:23:00,852 --> 01:23:04,740 because that keeps, keeps you in the mix so that you can, 1998 01:23:04,740 --> 01:23:07,110 you know, if you have separate people going to these, 1999 01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:08,910 the problem is that it's not getting all 2000 01:23:08,910 --> 01:23:11,234 -relayed back. -Yeah, yeah. 2001 01:23:11,234 --> 01:23:12,067 Yeah, I do like that. 2002 01:23:12,067 --> 01:23:13,928 -But then- -Like Kyle, 2003 01:23:13,928 --> 01:23:16,692 Kyle, I think he's the chair of Forest Health, 2004 01:23:16,692 --> 01:23:19,120 so, you know, I wouldn't hesitate to reach out to him. 2005 01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,035 -Yeah. -Ask him some questions. 2006 01:23:21,035 --> 01:23:22,842 [Attendee] I'm also just thinking, 2007 01:23:22,842 --> 01:23:24,570 literally looking at the two 2008 01:23:24,570 --> 01:23:28,750 of you that honestly there is a huge retirement flip 2009 01:23:29,910 --> 01:23:31,620 I think, within our district. 2010 01:23:31,620 --> 01:23:36,620 And so how is that all of this knowledge, 2011 01:23:37,170 --> 01:23:41,370 how is that transferred efficiently? 2012 01:23:41,370 --> 01:23:44,483 I don't know if that's like another, just another thing 2013 01:23:44,483 --> 01:23:45,316 to be thinking about again, 2014 01:23:45,316 --> 01:23:47,767 -more broadly. -That's a whole 2015 01:23:47,767 --> 01:23:48,600 nother barrier though. 2016 01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:49,433 I mean, again, that kind 2017 01:23:49,433 --> 01:23:51,090 of boils down to what, 2018 01:23:51,090 --> 01:23:52,710 what your state can do. 2019 01:23:52,710 --> 01:23:54,071 -I mean, we can't- -And like individual like, 2020 01:23:54,071 --> 01:23:57,090 because I am taking on the Forest Health role 2021 01:23:57,090 --> 01:24:00,480 and it's, so it's kind of like how much is my predecessor in 2022 01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:03,341 that role going to mentor me? 2023 01:24:03,341 --> 01:24:06,174 No, I dunno. It's a huge question. 2024 01:24:08,801 --> 01:24:10,087 But now I have Alana 2025 01:24:10,087 --> 01:24:11,460 and all other people to like be, 2026 01:24:11,460 --> 01:24:14,430 who have been recently in the role that now I'm like, sweet. 2027 01:24:14,430 --> 01:24:18,270 I don't have to just like make sure I get enough information 2028 01:24:18,270 --> 01:24:20,760 only vertically through my own state. 2029 01:24:20,760 --> 01:24:22,890 [Attendee] Well that was my experience, 2030 01:24:22,890 --> 01:24:24,570 that I got very little of 2031 01:24:24,570 --> 01:24:27,120 that mentorship from my predecessor. 2032 01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:30,896 Mostly because Rhode Island just being small capacity, 2033 01:24:30,896 --> 01:24:32,430 like the Forest Health program coordinator 2034 01:24:32,430 --> 01:24:34,770 was not the Forest Health Fire Compact 2035 01:24:34,770 --> 01:24:36,653 Forest Health working team person. 2036 01:24:36,653 --> 01:24:39,480 So I just didn't get any of that from him. 2037 01:24:39,480 --> 01:24:42,750 And, but it's really been, well of all the other state 2038 01:24:42,750 --> 01:24:45,120 operators and the other meetings we have 2039 01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:47,160 that I've just learned so much. 2040 01:24:47,160 --> 01:24:49,057 [Attendee] Well, yeah, that, that's the key point too, 2041 01:24:49,057 --> 01:24:52,590 is that, you know, any other state is there. 2042 01:24:52,590 --> 01:24:54,013 They're more than willing to help. 2043 01:24:54,013 --> 01:24:57,120 But I, that's where Kyle's name, he's, he's a wealth 2044 01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,720 of knowledge and he's willing to share it most time. 2045 01:25:01,650 --> 01:25:05,133 Yeah, my boss Allison Kente, I'm, 2046 01:25:05,133 --> 01:25:06,513 I'm, you could call her. 2047 01:25:07,413 --> 01:25:10,753 -Oh, I have so great, too. -Yeah. Yeah. 2048 01:25:14,331 --> 01:25:15,720 [Attendee] I just wonder if Kyle Flag, Kyle's the one 2049 01:25:15,720 --> 01:25:18,177 that brought up the tree rescue thing 2050 01:25:18,177 --> 01:25:21,570 and I just wonder did not, out least that he did, 2051 01:25:21,570 --> 01:25:24,300 but not saying as much of the thought that was going 2052 01:25:24,300 --> 01:25:26,040 through his head of what he knew about the fire 2053 01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:27,809 -compact and this- -Yeah, right. 2054 01:25:27,809 --> 01:25:30,870 That he thought maybe knows enough that he's like, 2055 01:25:30,870 --> 01:25:32,340 I think we've got this covered. 2056 01:25:32,340 --> 01:25:33,740 Like, what are you gonna do? 2057 01:25:34,740 --> 01:25:37,680 But, you know, there were many things we were talking about 2058 01:25:37,680 --> 01:25:39,180 yesterday, so we couldn't, this was an hour 2059 01:25:39,180 --> 01:25:41,490 and a half conversation just on this one thing. 2060 01:25:41,490 --> 01:25:43,893 So yeah. But maybe so.