1 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:05,280 Hi everyone. Thanks for being here. 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:08,910 I'm a postdoc here at UVM in Tony D'Amato's lab, 3 00:00:08,910 --> 00:00:11,820 which is well represented at this conference. 4 00:00:11,820 --> 00:00:15,900 And I've also been working closely with Chris Woodall, 5 00:00:15,900 --> 00:00:20,280 long-term FIA researcher at the Forest Service. 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,070 And this is some ongoing work 7 00:00:23,070 --> 00:00:25,740 that we've been working on and off on for most of the year. 8 00:00:25,740 --> 00:00:27,630 And we're trying to get into wrap up mode 9 00:00:27,630 --> 00:00:32,070 where we're taking a look at tree regeneration patterns 10 00:00:32,070 --> 00:00:35,580 across the Midwest and northeastern US 11 00:00:35,580 --> 00:00:37,680 and looking at what they imply 12 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:40,563 for future changes in carbon stocks. 13 00:00:43,590 --> 00:00:46,620 So these days there's really widespread concern 14 00:00:46,620 --> 00:00:48,693 about tree regeneration patterns, 15 00:00:49,770 --> 00:00:51,480 really at a national scale, 16 00:00:51,480 --> 00:00:53,760 both concerns about low abundance 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,040 and also undesirable species composition. 18 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,800 There's a lot of work coming out of the Western US 19 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:00,840 on, you know, regeneration failure 20 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:02,610 and will forests be able to, you know, 21 00:01:02,610 --> 00:01:05,910 come back at all following disturbances? 22 00:01:05,910 --> 00:01:09,240 There's also been some work at regional scales 23 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,000 in the Eastern US talking more 24 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,450 about undesirable species composition 25 00:01:15,450 --> 00:01:17,640 and the tree regeneration layer 26 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,703 and how that could have bad outcomes down the road. 27 00:01:21,660 --> 00:01:25,950 And to the extent that we are facing problems 28 00:01:25,950 --> 00:01:28,380 with inadequate tree regeneration, 29 00:01:28,380 --> 00:01:30,060 this might have implications 30 00:01:30,060 --> 00:01:32,160 for carbon dynamics down the road. 31 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,410 And that's what we're investigating in this work 32 00:01:34,410 --> 00:01:35,823 using FIA data. 33 00:01:38,580 --> 00:01:41,250 So if we're trying to relate tree regeneration 34 00:01:41,250 --> 00:01:43,830 to forest carbon stocks, 35 00:01:43,830 --> 00:01:46,050 Chris came up with this idea of carbon replacement 36 00:01:46,050 --> 00:01:48,570 during a brainstorming session and it stuck so far. 37 00:01:48,570 --> 00:01:51,772 So if we're thinking about, you know, forest resilience, 38 00:01:51,772 --> 00:01:54,450 that's often defined as, you know, the amount of change 39 00:01:54,450 --> 00:01:56,730 or perturbation the system can withstand 40 00:01:56,730 --> 00:01:59,430 and still bounce back to its previous state. 41 00:01:59,430 --> 00:02:01,770 So if we're bringing that into, you know, 42 00:02:01,770 --> 00:02:03,510 kind of a carbon perspective, 43 00:02:03,510 --> 00:02:06,180 you imagine a given forest stand 44 00:02:06,180 --> 00:02:08,100 that experiences a disturbance 45 00:02:08,100 --> 00:02:11,160 and carbon stocks are reduced in that stand, 46 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,230 well then tree regeneration 47 00:02:13,230 --> 00:02:16,590 will have really an important shaping influence 48 00:02:16,590 --> 00:02:20,850 on carbon reaccumulation in that stand, how it recovers. 49 00:02:20,850 --> 00:02:23,100 And there's a few different scenarios that are possible. 50 00:02:23,100 --> 00:02:24,300 You know, down the road 51 00:02:24,300 --> 00:02:26,730 you could have sort of a carbon replacement scenario 52 00:02:26,730 --> 00:02:30,000 where you end up with about the same amount of carbon 53 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:31,380 as you had before, 54 00:02:31,380 --> 00:02:34,050 or maybe you get a shift to a higher carbon state, 55 00:02:34,050 --> 00:02:35,280 in which case, you know, 56 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,920 maybe there's opportunity to augment carbon stocks, 57 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:39,750 of course, to the extent 58 00:02:39,750 --> 00:02:41,940 that we're not compromising all the other things 59 00:02:41,940 --> 00:02:43,690 that we value our forests for here. 60 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:48,270 And then maybe you get a shift to a lower carbon state, 61 00:02:48,270 --> 00:02:49,770 in which case you might wanna think 62 00:02:49,770 --> 00:02:52,050 about targeting these stands to manage them 63 00:02:52,050 --> 00:02:54,420 for improved tree regeneration. 64 00:02:54,420 --> 00:02:56,610 So this is really the concept 65 00:02:56,610 --> 00:02:58,593 that we're exploring in this work, 66 00:02:59,910 --> 00:03:01,530 and the data set that we're using 67 00:03:01,530 --> 00:03:03,693 is FIA's regeneration indicator. 68 00:03:04,710 --> 00:03:09,000 This is a set of detailed tree regeneration protocols 69 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:12,420 that FIA began implementing back in 2012. 70 00:03:12,420 --> 00:03:15,480 Plots are remeasured on five to seven year cycles. 71 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:17,640 So really plot remeasurement data 72 00:03:17,640 --> 00:03:20,220 is just starting to come in, in numbers here. 73 00:03:20,220 --> 00:03:22,950 And basically the idea is, you know, it's simple. 74 00:03:22,950 --> 00:03:24,420 Basically seedlings are tallied out 75 00:03:24,420 --> 00:03:26,250 by six different height classes, 76 00:03:26,250 --> 00:03:28,560 instead of the traditional single height class 77 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,030 we used by FIA. 78 00:03:30,030 --> 00:03:32,250 So it really provides a wealth of information 79 00:03:32,250 --> 00:03:35,970 on the structure of tree regeneration. 80 00:03:35,970 --> 00:03:38,610 And what we've been working on 81 00:03:38,610 --> 00:03:42,540 is ways to effectively use these data 82 00:03:42,540 --> 00:03:43,740 to make better predictions 83 00:03:43,740 --> 00:03:45,810 about what direction our forest might be headed in 84 00:03:45,810 --> 00:03:47,410 based on the regeneration layer. 85 00:03:48,690 --> 00:03:50,520 And one approach that we've taken 86 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,370 is taking these seedling abundances 87 00:03:53,370 --> 00:03:54,810 in different height classes 88 00:03:54,810 --> 00:03:57,120 and developing statistical models 89 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:58,710 to predict sapling recruitment 90 00:03:58,710 --> 00:04:01,590 on a plot that's remeasured five to seven years later. 91 00:04:01,590 --> 00:04:02,910 The idea here is that it, you know, 92 00:04:02,910 --> 00:04:05,340 it hardly matters how many seedlings you have 93 00:04:05,340 --> 00:04:06,173 in a given stand. 94 00:04:06,173 --> 00:04:07,440 What matters is, you know, 95 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:09,300 whether that eventually gets recruited 96 00:04:09,300 --> 00:04:10,530 to larger size classes. 97 00:04:10,530 --> 00:04:11,940 And so we're trying to, you know, 98 00:04:11,940 --> 00:04:13,410 bridge the gap a little bit here 99 00:04:13,410 --> 00:04:15,450 by translating seedling abundance 100 00:04:15,450 --> 00:04:16,950 into later sapling recruitment. 101 00:04:16,950 --> 00:04:19,500 This is some work that was published late last year. 102 00:04:19,500 --> 00:04:20,333 I'm showing it here 103 00:04:20,333 --> 00:04:23,043 because we're piggybacking on that in our current work. 104 00:04:26,670 --> 00:04:28,500 And you know, thinking back to carbon, 105 00:04:28,500 --> 00:04:29,880 if you're thinking about, you know, 106 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:31,710 predicting carbon trajectories, 107 00:04:31,710 --> 00:04:33,630 our minds often jump to, you know, 108 00:04:33,630 --> 00:04:35,250 process-based models, especially some 109 00:04:35,250 --> 00:04:38,550 of these stand-based models like FVS that are widely used 110 00:04:38,550 --> 00:04:41,310 to model changes in carbon stocks over time. 111 00:04:41,310 --> 00:04:44,310 But it's worth noting that often in these models 112 00:04:44,310 --> 00:04:47,261 regeneration is either represented very coarsely, 113 00:04:47,261 --> 00:04:49,680 or it needs to be specified manually. 114 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,530 You know, case in point here is FVS where, you know, 115 00:04:52,530 --> 00:04:54,240 across most of the country, including here, 116 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,823 you have to specify regeneration by seed manually. 117 00:04:57,720 --> 00:04:59,520 And as a consequence, 118 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,520 regeneration is really a major uncertainty 119 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:05,190 when you're trying to predict long-term carbon trajectories. 120 00:05:05,190 --> 00:05:06,810 And so there's really a lot of space 121 00:05:06,810 --> 00:05:08,943 for empirical work here, I think, 122 00:05:09,810 --> 00:05:14,070 looking to link regeneration to carbon stocks down the road. 123 00:05:14,070 --> 00:05:16,680 And when you try to dive into the empirical work, 124 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:18,540 there's surprisingly little work 125 00:05:18,540 --> 00:05:21,000 on how tree species composition 126 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,870 actually influences carbon stocks and sequestration rates. 127 00:05:24,870 --> 00:05:28,920 And then less work still on what the species composition 128 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,200 of the regeneration layer implies 129 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,390 for future forest carbon stocks. 130 00:05:33,390 --> 00:05:35,670 And a notable exception here is this work 131 00:05:35,670 --> 00:05:38,070 that Chris was a co-author on. 132 00:05:38,070 --> 00:05:40,020 This was published about a year ago. 133 00:05:40,020 --> 00:05:43,050 They're using FIA data, trying to divide plots 134 00:05:43,050 --> 00:05:44,820 into different forest communities 135 00:05:44,820 --> 00:05:47,160 and looking at the potential carbon implications 136 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,160 of seedling patterns. 137 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,080 But we think there's a lot more room 138 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:55,050 for empirical work in this space. 139 00:05:55,050 --> 00:05:59,493 And I'll show a different way of approaching the same issue. 140 00:06:01,530 --> 00:06:03,720 So our overall goal here 141 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:08,130 was to explore this concept of carbon replacement 142 00:06:08,130 --> 00:06:10,560 using the regeneration indicator 143 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,429 and hopefully get a picture 144 00:06:12,429 --> 00:06:15,240 of what seedling pattern suggests 145 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:19,113 about future forest carbon dynamics across the northern US, 146 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:23,200 and then drilling down into what conditions 147 00:06:24,630 --> 00:06:28,833 seedlings suggest greater versus lesser carbon stocks. 148 00:06:31,710 --> 00:06:33,390 So our approach, a little bit complicated, 149 00:06:33,390 --> 00:06:35,310 but I mentioned we're piggybacking on this method 150 00:06:35,310 --> 00:06:38,040 we had developed to predict sapling recruitment 151 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,530 from seedling abundance by size class. 152 00:06:40,530 --> 00:06:43,020 That, we use that 153 00:06:43,020 --> 00:06:47,430 to generate sort of species composition scores by plot 154 00:06:47,430 --> 00:06:50,310 that represents the probability of sapling recruitment. 155 00:06:50,310 --> 00:06:53,700 We also generated composition scores 156 00:06:53,700 --> 00:06:56,340 for live tree carbon by species 157 00:06:56,340 --> 00:06:58,740 and then we fed that all into a big ordination 158 00:06:58,740 --> 00:07:01,200 to represent species composition. 159 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,660 We then feed that into statistical models 160 00:07:03,660 --> 00:07:07,620 that predict either live above ground tree carbon 161 00:07:07,620 --> 00:07:09,960 and we also try to predict 162 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,240 what we're calling total tree carbon, 163 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,880 which is above ground live trees, to any dead trees, 164 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:16,890 and also downed woody material. 165 00:07:16,890 --> 00:07:17,790 One of the advantages 166 00:07:17,790 --> 00:07:20,130 of working with the regeneration indicator 167 00:07:20,130 --> 00:07:22,290 is that these same plots, 168 00:07:22,290 --> 00:07:24,060 they actually run transects 169 00:07:24,060 --> 00:07:25,980 to quantify downed woody material. 170 00:07:25,980 --> 00:07:27,660 Unlike the majority of FIA plots 171 00:07:27,660 --> 00:07:28,920 where it's not actually measured. 172 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:30,453 We use model values. 173 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,450 Once we have these models, 174 00:07:33,450 --> 00:07:38,400 we predicted carbon stocks using tree composition 175 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:39,600 and seedling composition 176 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,370 and compared the two over a sequence of stand ages 177 00:07:43,410 --> 00:07:46,003 to essentially see what seedling composition implies 178 00:07:46,003 --> 00:07:49,050 for future forest carbon stocks. 179 00:07:49,050 --> 00:07:51,060 And if the two values were pretty close, 180 00:07:51,060 --> 00:07:52,440 we call it a replacement. 181 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,570 If seedlings implied greater carbon stocks, 182 00:07:54,570 --> 00:07:55,860 we call it a carbon gain. 183 00:07:55,860 --> 00:07:57,665 If trees implied greater carbon stocks, 184 00:07:57,665 --> 00:07:58,923 we call it a carbon loss. 185 00:08:03,150 --> 00:08:08,150 So the models that we developed of carbon stocks, 186 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,910 unsurprisingly, stand age was the most important influence 187 00:08:11,910 --> 00:08:13,260 on carbon stocks. 188 00:08:13,260 --> 00:08:14,940 But we found that species composition 189 00:08:14,940 --> 00:08:16,440 was also pretty important, 190 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:19,203 as indicated by the ordination axis scores. 191 00:08:20,100 --> 00:08:23,310 And interestingly, 192 00:08:23,310 --> 00:08:25,680 our models of live above ground tree carbon 193 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,480 and total above ground tree carbon 194 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:31,110 were highly similar in terms of variable importance 195 00:08:31,110 --> 00:08:32,040 and also relationships 196 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:35,040 between independent variables and the response. 197 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,700 But the live carbon model was simply more accurate. 198 00:08:38,700 --> 00:08:41,850 And, you know, this echoes previous work, you know, 199 00:08:41,850 --> 00:08:44,730 downed woody material is important to carbon storage, 200 00:08:44,730 --> 00:08:48,000 but it's really, really hard to predict at the plot level 201 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,250 unless you actually measure it. 202 00:08:50,250 --> 00:08:52,560 Chris has done some work on this. 203 00:08:52,560 --> 00:08:56,610 So I'll show results based on the live carbon model, 204 00:08:56,610 --> 00:08:59,360 but just know the two are highly similar to each other. 205 00:09:01,393 --> 00:09:02,226 If you look at the effect 206 00:09:02,226 --> 00:09:04,140 of species composition on carbon stocks, 207 00:09:04,140 --> 00:09:05,820 you get about the results that you'd expect. 208 00:09:05,820 --> 00:09:08,220 Some of our, you know, late succession, 209 00:09:08,220 --> 00:09:10,350 more shade tolerant, especially hardwoods, 210 00:09:10,350 --> 00:09:12,543 are associated with higher carbon storage. 211 00:09:14,730 --> 00:09:16,710 There are four axes in this ordination, 212 00:09:16,710 --> 00:09:18,960 that the axes 3 and 4 213 00:09:18,960 --> 00:09:21,390 basically show that if you have more oaks 214 00:09:21,390 --> 00:09:22,470 in your your stand, 215 00:09:22,470 --> 00:09:24,900 you tend to have greater carbon stocks. 216 00:09:24,900 --> 00:09:26,223 Makes sense as well. 217 00:09:27,630 --> 00:09:28,920 And here's the interesting part. 218 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,260 So if you compare carbon predictions 219 00:09:31,260 --> 00:09:33,269 in seedlings versus trees, 220 00:09:33,269 --> 00:09:35,119 you find quite a bit of difference 221 00:09:35,119 --> 00:09:38,313 and also quite a bit of variability. 222 00:09:40,260 --> 00:09:41,763 So in this map, 223 00:09:43,230 --> 00:09:47,430 blues mean that seedlings apply greater carbon stocks 224 00:09:47,430 --> 00:09:48,720 or carbon gains. 225 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:50,820 Reds suggest carbon loss 226 00:09:50,820 --> 00:09:52,950 based on tree regeneration patterns. 227 00:09:52,950 --> 00:09:55,170 And see there's a lot of spatial heterogeneity 228 00:09:55,170 --> 00:09:57,600 and also quite a bit of difference 229 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,873 between the regeneration layer and the tree layer subplots. 230 00:10:03,030 --> 00:10:04,890 And when you start drilling down 231 00:10:04,890 --> 00:10:07,500 and looking at, you know, terrain, physiography, 232 00:10:07,500 --> 00:10:12,467 forest type, you find some interesting correspondences. 233 00:10:14,190 --> 00:10:16,860 If you look into, you know, FIA forest group, 234 00:10:16,860 --> 00:10:18,720 basically forest type, 235 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,970 carbon replacement outlook is worse 236 00:10:20,970 --> 00:10:23,100 in maple/beech/birch forests 237 00:10:23,100 --> 00:10:26,130 or northern hardwood forest as well as oak/hickory, 238 00:10:26,130 --> 00:10:28,026 and its best in spruce/fir. 239 00:10:28,026 --> 00:10:30,720 We also found that carbon loss was more likely 240 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:32,973 in upland environments and hillslopes. 241 00:10:35,580 --> 00:10:37,023 Some more results here. 242 00:10:37,023 --> 00:10:41,010 Plots standing to lose carbon based on seedling composition 243 00:10:41,010 --> 00:10:42,660 tended to be on steeper slopes. 244 00:10:42,660 --> 00:10:44,610 They tended to be farther south. 245 00:10:44,610 --> 00:10:47,670 And they also importantly tended to be in stands 246 00:10:47,670 --> 00:10:49,830 that currently have greater carbon stocks. 247 00:10:49,830 --> 00:10:52,680 So when you combine that with our stand age results, 248 00:10:52,680 --> 00:10:53,580 what it really suggests 249 00:10:53,580 --> 00:10:55,410 is that the most productive environments 250 00:10:55,410 --> 00:10:59,130 are also at the greatest risk of losing carbon storage 251 00:10:59,130 --> 00:11:01,203 based on tree regeneration patterns. 252 00:11:05,310 --> 00:11:10,080 So to try to tie this all together here, you know, 253 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,200 we did find kind of poor carbon replacement prospects 254 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,620 in northern hardwood stands and oak/hickory forests. 255 00:11:16,620 --> 00:11:21,120 This really, you know, echoes, you know, decades of work 256 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:22,860 showing that, you know, 257 00:11:22,860 --> 00:11:25,500 these forest types have widespread problems 258 00:11:25,500 --> 00:11:27,780 with tree regeneration for various reasons 259 00:11:27,780 --> 00:11:29,583 being, you know, for browsing, 260 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,990 changes to disturbance regimes, in case of oak/hickory. 261 00:11:33,990 --> 00:11:37,200 And we found in our work that, you know, 262 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,690 unsurprisingly shifts away from sugar maple 263 00:11:39,690 --> 00:11:43,263 and oak species were associated with reduced carbon stocks. 264 00:11:44,670 --> 00:11:48,030 I also think it's worth noting and emphasizing here 265 00:11:48,030 --> 00:11:50,250 that of course there are often trade-offs 266 00:11:50,250 --> 00:11:52,800 between carbon stocks and sequestration rates 267 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:54,990 and all the other things that we value our forests for. 268 00:11:54,990 --> 00:11:57,210 So you know, we're not trying to advocate 269 00:11:57,210 --> 00:11:59,670 for a reductionist approach, you know, 270 00:11:59,670 --> 00:12:01,140 maximize the carbon stocks. 271 00:12:01,140 --> 00:12:05,370 We just think this is one interesting metric 272 00:12:05,370 --> 00:12:07,110 to try to make better sense 273 00:12:07,110 --> 00:12:08,790 out of the regeneration layering, 274 00:12:08,790 --> 00:12:10,240 what it means for the future. 275 00:12:13,710 --> 00:12:14,700 So to sum up, 276 00:12:14,700 --> 00:12:16,790 we think this kind of carbon replacement concept 277 00:12:16,790 --> 00:12:20,433 is a useful way of looking at tree regeneration patterns. 278 00:12:22,890 --> 00:12:23,723 And, you know, 279 00:12:23,723 --> 00:12:26,250 our work is really kind of exploratory in nature 280 00:12:26,250 --> 00:12:27,083 at this point. 281 00:12:27,083 --> 00:12:29,100 But if, you know, 282 00:12:29,100 --> 00:12:30,240 we adopted this approach, 283 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:31,710 made it more rigorous in the future, 284 00:12:31,710 --> 00:12:32,880 I think there's a lot of room 285 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:35,160 for improved regeneration assessments 286 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:37,650 to help guide kind of regional scale management. 287 00:12:37,650 --> 00:12:40,650 We're really facing, you know, big picture questions 288 00:12:40,650 --> 00:12:42,990 like, you know, where and how do we manage 289 00:12:42,990 --> 00:12:45,000 for improved natural regeneration? 290 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:47,820 Where might we, you know, want or need to plant trees 291 00:12:47,820 --> 00:12:49,650 and where does that have the greatest benefit? 292 00:12:49,650 --> 00:12:51,990 And I think there's a lot of space for, 293 00:12:51,990 --> 00:12:54,840 you know, these empirical approaches 294 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,420 based on data sets like the regeneration indicator 295 00:12:57,420 --> 00:12:59,760 to help guide these, you know, 296 00:12:59,760 --> 00:13:02,943 really big regional scale questions that we face. 297 00:13:05,387 --> 00:13:09,363 And, you know, in the context of limited resources. 298 00:13:10,770 --> 00:13:14,080 I also wanna note the framework that we used 299 00:13:15,300 --> 00:13:19,260 is not limited to assessing carbon stocks. 300 00:13:19,260 --> 00:13:21,090 You know, we examined carbon 301 00:13:21,090 --> 00:13:24,030 because it's an increasing focus in forest management. 302 00:13:24,030 --> 00:13:26,610 But you could use the same framework to look at, say, 303 00:13:26,610 --> 00:13:30,090 you know, resilience to climate change at the stand level, 304 00:13:30,090 --> 00:13:31,800 functional traits, or more. 305 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:33,330 So I think there's also opportunity 306 00:13:33,330 --> 00:13:35,010 to examine things other than carbon 307 00:13:35,010 --> 00:13:37,830 and maybe start to look into trade-offs 308 00:13:37,830 --> 00:13:39,993 between carbon and other attributes. 309 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:44,670 So thanks everyone for listening 310 00:13:44,670 --> 00:13:46,870 and happy to take questions if there's time. 311 00:13:56,190 --> 00:13:57,570 Yeah. 312 00:13:57,570 --> 00:14:00,450 [Audience Member] How did you consider canopy disturbances 313 00:14:00,450 --> 00:14:01,653 in this model? 314 00:14:02,670 --> 00:14:07,053 So it really, really doesn't consider canopy disturbance. 315 00:14:08,850 --> 00:14:11,610 I mean it's basically an advanced regeneration study. 316 00:14:11,610 --> 00:14:15,960 I mean, we removed plots that were recently harvested 317 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,503 within the past five years from the analysis. 318 00:14:21,660 --> 00:14:24,810 So, you know, limitations apply. 319 00:14:24,810 --> 00:14:25,920 You know, obviously, when you, yeah, 320 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,100 when you open up the overstory you can get, you know, 321 00:14:29,100 --> 00:14:32,400 additional, you know, things seed in, you know, 322 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:33,900 advanced regeneration is important, 323 00:14:33,900 --> 00:14:35,163 but it's not everything. 324 00:14:36,390 --> 00:14:41,160 In the kind of sapling recruitment models that get fed in, 325 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,950 we did find some pretty clear relationships 326 00:14:43,950 --> 00:14:47,850 between like basal area and sapling recruitment probability. 327 00:14:47,850 --> 00:14:49,980 Basically you need to remove a certain amount 328 00:14:49,980 --> 00:14:51,840 of the overstory to increase, you know, 329 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,340 the likelihood of recruitment. 330 00:14:53,340 --> 00:14:55,650 So it's to some extent baked in. 331 00:14:55,650 --> 00:14:57,060 I think in the future, you know, 332 00:14:57,060 --> 00:14:59,370 more and more data are rolling in 333 00:14:59,370 --> 00:15:01,080 from the regeneration indicator, 334 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,120 like I mentioned of the plot measurement data 335 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:04,113 just coming in. 336 00:15:05,597 --> 00:15:07,170 And I would love to do an analysis 337 00:15:07,170 --> 00:15:09,810 that's more focused on recently disturbed 338 00:15:09,810 --> 00:15:12,780 or recently harvested stands to get at that, 339 00:15:12,780 --> 00:15:15,420 because that is like when a lot of the really important, 340 00:15:15,420 --> 00:15:17,523 you know, recruitment takes place. 341 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,500 [Audience Member] Ah, so were they mostly closed canopy 342 00:15:22,500 --> 00:15:23,333 -or? -Yes. 343 00:15:23,333 --> 00:15:24,240 -Okay. -Yeah. Yeah. 344 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,000 So it's all plot measurements 345 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:28,320 in the regeneration indicator, 346 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:31,260 which is one eighth of all FIA plots, 347 00:15:31,260 --> 00:15:34,623 like about 7,500 remeasured plots. 348 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,800 Which sounds like a lot until you realize, you know, 349 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:39,800 it's such a huge region. 350 00:15:44,027 --> 00:15:45,750 [Audience Member] Where did you take this picture? 351 00:15:45,750 --> 00:15:48,570 Oh yeah, it's just a random picture. 352 00:15:48,570 --> 00:15:51,903 This is Adirondacks near Rocky Peak Ridge.