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Leave for another meeting
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as well as there might be some folks who can join us.
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There we go.
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Recording is started.
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I am Holly Buckland Parker.
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I think I know most of you, but welcome.
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Happy Friday. Glad you're here today.
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I was trying to find a Bernie mittens meme
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that I could put up, but I wasn't sure which one to choose.
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(laughs)
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There's too many.
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I know there's so many
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and a fun fact is that I'm friends with the lady
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who made the mittens
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and she actually made my niece a pair of mittens
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this year for Christmas for me a special,
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she was all out of mittens but on Christmas eve
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she made a pair for my niece for me.
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So I feel very lucky I have my own pair of Bernie mittens
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as well as my niece now has a pair.
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Couldn't let that slide by.
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(laughs)
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And she was actually on NPR yesterday with RHPRO.
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So if you check out NPR, there's a three minute clip of Jen
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talking about her mittens (laughs)
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And I don't know if you all know this
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but Liz Fenton is her wife who is an English
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faculty member in our English department.
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So kind of a fun fact.
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Yes.
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Yes it is.
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We're gonna get started with the Forms, I think,
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because that seem to be the highest rated on
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my little poll that I did here.
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And
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I also want to just acknowledge a couple of helpers
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who are with me today.
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My friend, Jeff Duke is here to help us out.
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You wanna just say a couple words about what it is you do
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here, Jeff?
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I am a,
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what am I? Who am I?
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I am a senior systems programmer,
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Senior Systems Administrator in the Systems Architecture
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and Administration Team in Enterprise Technology Services.
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Yeah, it's Friday.
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(laughs)
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Whenever I have questions about how it works-
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I'm one of the folks at Central IT unit who manages mostly
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kind of Microsoft technologies in that constellation
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and I'm one of the main evangelists
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and cheerleaders for Microsoft Teams.
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Thank you, Jeff.
For better or worse.
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Yes.
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And another partner in crime is Ines.
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Would you mind saying hello?
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Yes. Hello and notice she introduced Jeff
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as my friend but I think I'm more of a friend of me.
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(laughs)
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Anyway, not really we're friends.
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Co-conspirator I heard.
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Yes.
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I am sort of a jack of all trades at the CTL
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and do some faculty development and communication
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stuff like that.
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Glad to be here, always learning more about Teams.
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Yeah. And so if Jeff and Ines, if you wouldn't mind
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as we're moving along and I start sharing my desktop,
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if you would just both keep an eye on chat every so often
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that would be helpful
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because as many of you know, when you're using Teams
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once you start sharing your desktop
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the meeting kind of goes to the background.
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So it's kind of difficult to completely keep an eye
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on the chat all the time.
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I can see that things are popping up
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but I don't necessarily,
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quickly I can't always read them all.
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So please interrupt.
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You can unmute, you can raise your hand.
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I wanna make sure your questions get answered
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this morning.
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And of course there will always be remaining questions
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so after the Fact we will
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also have
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email ctl@uvm.edu that you can email us with questions.
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And I wanted to also put an advertisement
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for our live open hours, which I think I forgot to mention
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the other day when we had a Teams workshop,
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maybe Ines could put that link into our chat
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but what's very cool about these live open hours is you can
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during today it's one to 3:30, you can say,
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"Oh I wanna talk to somebody at the CTL."
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And you can just go to our webpage where we have a live link
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and click on it and you will be jettisoned
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into a meeting with someone who will help you.
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So it's pretty amazing.
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We're standing by, we want company.
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So please come if you have questions and there's a bunch
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of open hours next week as well, the live open hours.
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And I see there's a question about classroom producers.
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I don't know the answer to those questions
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but Jeff or Ines,
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do you have an answer for that?
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I'm sorry. I do not.
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I don't know anything about those.
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Okay. Thank you, Libby.
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She put classroom producers @uvm.edu
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in the chat there and I know you can email them.
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Jeff, did you have any additional information about that?
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I think the Tech Team is working with some of the classroom
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producers if not all of them.
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So you could also call the Tech Team helpline
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Is that right?
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I actually live with one of the classroom producers
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supervisors
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Very convenient.
Very convenient, yes.
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And so I know that I think they have just
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a few more classes that they're still needing to match
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with a classroom producer.
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If you email them at this point
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it's not a guarantee that there'll be able to find somebody
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but you'll make it into the list and they'll try to match
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and they've got a good network going.
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So I'd say the most efficient way would be to use
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that email it'll go right either to Abra or to Jeremiah.
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Thanks, Libby. I forgot about that.
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(laughs)
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Thank you.
Sure.
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So I'm going to start sharing my screen so you can see
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what I did to create this Form, we're gonna start there.
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And I realize this can be a little weird when
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you see yourself duplicated on the screen.
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So I apologize for that
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but it's the only way to really show you my toolbar up here
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as the owner of this meeting.
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You notice that there's a button here called Polls now.
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And do you all see that as participants
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or is that just something I see?
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You can see it too, Jody.
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Okay. Thank you for that thumbs up.
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For your information that was the only way
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that I saw the Forms.
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I didn't see it under the chat
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but I found it under Polls.
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Well, that was something I added to this meeting
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and you'll notice when I click on it now
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and you all can try clicking on it too,
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I have an option to create a new one.
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Do you all have that option too
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or is it just the owner?
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No. I do.
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Okay. This is the first time I'm using the newer version
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of Polls with a group
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so we're kind of learning as we go here.
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What I did do
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in this one that we all participated in was
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I deselected the option
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to have other people editing it
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'cause I didn't want you to be adding a lot of other
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options, I wanted to kind of stick to the things that
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I was prepared to show you today
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and then we can verbally talk about some other options
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but I didn't want people on the fly to just put
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in more things.
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So that was a choice that I made.
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And when we create a new one here,
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I think I should get that, 'Yes. Allow others to co-author.'
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Do you see that?
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Yes.
Yes.
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Oddly enough it's actually selected to allow
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people to do it.
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So if you do not want your students co-authoring with you
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make sure you uncheck that box.
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And there's also this option, share results automatically
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after voting and you all saw how live it would update.
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If you do not want students to see that for some reason,
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you can disable that right here by deselecting that option.
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And then also depending, one second and then Jeff go ahead
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after this, you can keep responses anonymous.
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If you were asking something that was kind of a sensitive
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issue that would be a way to enable it
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so it is anonymous.
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You won't see any names related to it.
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Okay, go ahead, Jeff.
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And somebody made a comment earlier about editing
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their response.
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I just wanted to make sure that it was clear that
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you basically edit your response, you don't get to respond
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(clears throat) multiple times and skew the results.
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So I don't get to keep voting for the same option
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that I want, pepperoni on the pizza
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(chuckles)
and skew that.
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I was curious about that and I wasn't sure, Jeff
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because if you were, let's say logged into your account
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on two devices, your phone and your laptop,
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would you be able to vote twice or would only count once?
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That is an interesting ...
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I believe you have a response, right?
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So I with my account have a response
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and if I go in and respond again
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it's going to edit my response.
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I haven't tested this and it bears testing
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but I would predict that if I go to a different device
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like this should work on a mobile phone too, right?
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Yes.
People can join
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from their iPad or whatever.
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So if I had two devices going at the same time
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I would think that if I responded differently there
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it would edit my existing response.
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Holly, I have a quick question that pertains
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to this.
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When most of the people in this meeting, I think have
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presenter roles and you could click on anyone
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and make them an attendee.
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But if everyone was an attendee, which is I think
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the way it is in a classroom with students there attendees,
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I'm not sure about that though but you can verify that
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or confirm it in, anyway does that make a difference
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for who can edit the Polls?
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I think anyone can edit if you've enabled disallow
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others to co-author.
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I mean, we could make somebody an attendee instead
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of a participant.
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Just to answer your question, Ines.
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Students are not going to be attendees by default
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but we recommend that that be the configuration
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of the meeting options.
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So if you go in, when you schedule a class meeting
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you would change the options in that meeting to make it
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so that the students would be participants and not attendees
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but that might not be what you wanna do in a seminar
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or other kinds of things.
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Right. Okay. Thanks.
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Holly, I just have a quick question.
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Yeah.
Yeah.
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The Polls icon at the top, is that always there
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I've never seen that before this session
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and I've clicked around MS Teams.
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No.
Okay.
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I will show you how to add it, Nikki.
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Okay. Thank you.
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But you are correct. It is not always there.
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And I thought I mentioned but perhaps I did not
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that I put it there before this meeting, ahead of it.
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Okay, awesome. Thank you.
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Yeah, you're welcome.
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Did you create that on Teams or are you able
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to download Forms from Google
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for your Polls?
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So this I created in Teams and it updates
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to a forms.microsoft.com webpage.
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So it backs it up just like Google Forms
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and contains it within a secure environment in Microsoft
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which I can show you in a moment where it lives.
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Sure.
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And could I have quite a few Forms already developed
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in Google, well, Microsoft Forms
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so I just download them if I wanted,
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would it be easier?
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We can talk about that.
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I think that there's probably a way that you can share them
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without having to redo them.
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Okay.
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So I just wanted to point out that right now you'll see,
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I still have the Poll I made earlier over here
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in the sidebar under, I've clicked this Poll icon,
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then I created a new Poll about ice cream
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and I don't know if you all know about our new president
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loves ice cream.
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So I've put that there, I made it so anyone can edit it
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when I launch it. So we'll see how that works.
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Feel free, test it, try to break it.
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If any of you are logged in on two devices,
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like your laptop and you have access to a phone or an iPod,
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go ahead and test to see if we can double vote
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'cause Jeff and I haven't tested that. We don't know.
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So this is a perfect time to try it.
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And I see someone actually started the Poll without me
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which is totally cool.
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Well, it's deleted but I didn't wanna try that
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I was just testing.
Did someone just did it?
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(laughs)
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Okay. So if someone deleted it, I have to make it again.
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I didn't submit it yet. Okay.
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Okay. So I'm gonna see if I click this what happens.
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Did it get deleted?
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Nope.
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I don't see it anymore.
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Oh, I still see.
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I still see too. I see it in the chat.
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Yeah. It's still in the middle of my screen
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(multiple speakers)
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I don't see it anywhere.
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I'm finding that I can vote but it's not appearing.
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Yeah. So somebody deleted it.
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(multiple speakers)
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The first thing you asked me is,
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do I wanna delete it?
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And I thought, well, that would be interesting
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if a student did that to me.
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Totally.
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Yeah. This is the time to test these things
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and if we break it, we're here to fix it.
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I'll create another one.
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We'll try another one and...
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The ask mostly over last year
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was forums as cool but I don't really have the time
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in the middle of class to create a brand new Poll
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and it would be really cool to be able to create a Poll
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ahead of time and so
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this is the way that that can be done.
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And I'm really curious if somebody,
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I don't know if I can demote myself but,
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Holly if you made me an attendee, I'm curious
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if it would remove my ability to edit or create Polls.
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It might not.
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I can try that, Jeff, let's see.
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There you are,
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make you an attendee.
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Okay.
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So we know people can delete it
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so let's not test that again.
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(laughs)
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And then if you reply
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and then you want to change your response,
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try to notice if it changes the,
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like one number or if it skews it so that you have two votes
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because Jeff was saying he didn't think it was supposed
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to do that, that it would only take one answer,
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whatever the most recent answer you put.
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And Jeff, are you able to do anything as an attendee?
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As an attendee I can click the Forms, Pains and I can see
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them and I can respond to them but I cannot create a new one
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and I don't have any options to launch or edit or anything.
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Okay.
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And I tested changing my response a few times
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and it works. Yeah.
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Okay, great.
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The center window it should close both
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and so if you change it, it has like a little
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green check mark on what you voted for.
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So if you change it even over in the chat
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that gets changed in that center window as well.
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Great.
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Thank you.
I have a quick question.
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Sure.
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So I can see the pole in the middle of my screen
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and I can also see it in the chat,
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only I can only see the top of it
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and I can't seem to scroll down to see the bottom of it.
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Does that make any sense at all?
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If that's just inexplicable, I don't wanna waste time on it,
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but if there's an easy solution.
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Go ahead, Jeff.
Can you scroll?
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There's no scroll bar.
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I think it might be that, I could be wrong
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but it might be that there's
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the inside screen is Holly's screen so we're not able
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to actually scroll there but then over to the side,
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there's another sort of tab that says Polls.
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You would have to turn on the...
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(multiple speakers)
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That's where there is no
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external bar
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'cause I'm seeing all of Holly's screen
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and then I've got Polls open on the right
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and I just can't scroll down to see it all which is bizarre.
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I think it's just a weird thing so let's go on.
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Okay. So I stopped sharing my screen for a moment
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and I'm just gonna check, Jennifer.
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That you should have all of the regular participant rights
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you're not an attendee or anything odd.
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So not sure
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exactly why that's happening, it might be something odd.
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Yeah. I think it's gotta be something
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with my browser.
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It's just not quite fitting in the window or something
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but the scroll bar is missing, which is probably
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it's one of those things where you shut down Teams
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and start it up again and it'll be fine.
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It definitely could be something like that. Yes.
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Libby, did you have a question?
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Yeah, I do.
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There's an edited version of the original Poll
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and I'm wondering if anyone saw it
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or if that was just like a weird thing on my machine
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'cause I was the one who went in and edited it.
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I just rephrased the questions a little bit to see
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how editing worked.
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Did anybody receive that besides me?
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So it would be above Bernice's message
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if we choose not to have results shown automatically
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after the voting, how do you show the results
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if you look in your chat. Is it there?
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Yeah. I do see edited there. Yep.
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Okay. All right. So it did send to everybody.
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Interesting.
Right.
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Yeah.
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They both say the same thing.
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I like ice cream as much as I liked Joe Biden.
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Oh, I see. I like ice cream as much as Joe Biden does.
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I got it. Yep.
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But when I scroll down
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in the chat,
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I don't quite understand it because I'm just looking
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in the chat and my Poll doesn't have those questions.
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It just has one that says, do you like ice cream
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as much as Joe Biden?
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I also can see how to edit.
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I didn't seem to have that option.
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I don't think I have the edited option either.
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If I do, I can't find it.
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The options that people had previously
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selected are no longer there.
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So now they're in a category called other
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so we renamed by changing what the available answers
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were you invalidated or changed
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which answers people had submitted previously.
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Cool. Okay.
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So with great power comes great responsibility.
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(laughs)
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Great problems.
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The moral might be to turn off the editing
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features for students.
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I think, well, that's one of those things that
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we were testing it out.
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I told you what I did at first and why I did it
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and now you have experienced why I did it.
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Yes.
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So hopefully having had the experience that will even
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stick a little longer into,
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okay I have to de-select that check box because
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it's an extra step.
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Thank you, Holly. That's why I did it.
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(laughs)
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yes. Just to test.
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(multiple speakers)
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(laughs)
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So Jeff put a link
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to where you will find your Poll results
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which is the Forms webpage I was talking about earlier.
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And I'm gonna click on that and just share my screen
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so you'll see how I can view these Polls
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that we just ran as the person who initiated them.
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So I'm clicking the link, I'm getting it to load
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and I'm also gonna share my screen.
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If you click that link, you're going to see different things
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because you haven't run a Poll.
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What link are you talking about?
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In the chat.
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I see. Okay. Got it.
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And I just remembered that
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I am logged in as the CTL event account.
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So that means I won't see in my regular Forms,
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this is just a technical thing because
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I'm running this out of our events account.
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So I would actually have to go to Forms and then log
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in as CTL events, which is its own little account
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which I'm not gonna do right now 'cause that'll take me some
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time to get the right password and everything.
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But this is what it looks like, just so you can see
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when you go over to that webpage and this is my HB Parker,
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my own account.
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And so this is where different Forms that you've created,
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either inside of this website, which is where I created this
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Graduate Teaching Program application
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or different Polls that I've run in Teams
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and you can see this as an old one.
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When you click on any of these Polls
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you would be able to then go to what the questions were
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and you can also see the responses.
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And what's nice is if it's any sort of a scale,
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it will auto create a little chart for you.
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You can view the results one person at a time,
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you'll see there's seven responses.
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I can click and view the results by person
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unless you've set it to be anonymous
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then that would not be available.
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Also you can open it in Excel and export it out
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as a CSV file if you want to do anything
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with the data that you've collected.
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So those are the different options that you can do
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after the Fact.
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So if you want to have students filling out a Poll
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or any type of Form that you've created during class
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you will be able to access this after the Fact.
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And they do not necessarily have access
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to this after the fact.
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I think, right,
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Jeff?
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(clears throat)
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I think it depends. I think you can decide when you...
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So one thing to know is that there are kinda two kinds
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of Forms, there's the quick Poll which shows up
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in this interface that we've just been exploring here
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in Teams and there's a questionnaire that is every question
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a separate file, but that Poll is a single question
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and then it shows up it's a quick Poll
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and there not lots of flexibility.
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You can however, create all kinds of questions and forms
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and surveys in Microsoft Forms and then you can get a link
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to it and just paste that link here in the chat,
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students would click on it and it would open the web browser
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for them to respond to it.
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It's not going to be within the Teams interface
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but at the same thing would be true if you paste it
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in a link to a Google Form.
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So it's just sort of analogous and you can create,
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somebody mentioned having previous Forms
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that they wanna use.
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If you paste a link to that previous Form,
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people's responses will be added to the existing collection
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of data that's not gonna be a separate set of responses
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but you can use a Form that's there
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and create a new Form based on it,
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for regular Forms not for these quick little Poll
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kinds of Forms.
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I don't think, those you can have to kinda create
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inside Teams, inside this special interface.
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And that's a question Holly, that somebody
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has circled back to us,
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how did you add the Forms tab to the meeting?
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Yes, that's what I was exactly gonna show next.
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Perfect.
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So in Teams,
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when I go to the meeting that I've created,
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so this was a meeting that was already existing
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in the calendar.
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And so for example, later on today there's
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a Yellowdig event that's happening.
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Let's say I wanted to add Polls to that.
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So I would simply double click on the event or the meeting
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and
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opens up in Teams
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and then you can go to this little plus sign up at the top
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and it adds a tab for the meeting.
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So I'm gonna add Forms
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and you'll notice it just gives you another screen
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where you can add it in.
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Is everybody seeing this?
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Am I not seeing your screen?
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I'm seeing it.
I'm seeing it.
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I'm seeing it.
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I see it.
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If for some reason you aren't seeing it live right now
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it might just be your internet connection
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and we are recording so you can also look at it
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after the Fact.
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So I'm going to save this,
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gave me an alert that it was loading it.
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And then you'll notice if you see this screen
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now that's available, it says create a new Poll
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automatically after I've added it up here at the top
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of the meeting.
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So if I want to ask folks this afternoon at the Yellowdig
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workshop any particular questions,
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I can click on, create a new Poll and it gives me that same
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screen that we were looking at a moment ago.
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So I can create it and then it will be living there
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as a draft.
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So let's say I was going to ask folks
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if they've used the tool.
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And I'm just gonna add these and
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yes or no is probably the best (chuckles)
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We can delete that, last one.
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Oh right. The little bucket here. Thank you.
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I'm not gonna have anyone co-author it
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and sharing the results after voting.
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Sure. That's fine. And I save it.
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00:30:27.150 --> 00:30:30.800
So now you'll notice that it says, it's a draft,
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it's not anonymous,
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results will be shared and only you have editing capability.
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Now it's sitting there as a draft,
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so it's not gonna open yet.
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Once the meeting starts at one o'clock I could click
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this launch button and have people start taking it,
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but in the meantime, it's just staying there
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and you can create multiple Polls ahead of time now
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if you want to, and they're saved here as drafts.
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00:31:02.530 --> 00:31:07.530
Any questions on that? Jeff, I can't see the chat right now.
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I have a question.
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Bernice has a question
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Sure.
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The chat, but I was wondering if you clicked
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launch now 'cause I'm also on like the Yellowdig this
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afternoon. Would I get pinged that I have a form to fill
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out prior to the event even if the event hadn't started?
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Yes.
Okay.
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00:31:31.380 --> 00:31:33.480
So when you click launch it does two things,
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for people who are in the meeting apparently
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it pops that
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Form up in the main interface for people to fill out.
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It also shows up in the chats sidebar if you're looking
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at chat and people can,
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the Forms tab is now present
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in the meeting and students would be able to click that
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and see all the questions or all the Polls potentially
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that you have launched.
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I'm not sure if Holly goes in and creates
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a new Poll as a draft, I'm not sure if that will show up
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before she clicks launch.
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00:32:11.750 --> 00:32:12.640
No, I was wondering, like,
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let's say class starts this afternoon at four o'clock
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and I want folks to fill out a Poll before the class
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actually starts
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and I pressed launch, would they be able to fill out
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00:32:24.780 --> 00:32:27.593
that Poll before class? Does that make sense?
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It does, but I don't know if they would see it outside
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the context of the meeting and know to go in
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and fill it out.
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They might not see it until they go log in for your
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class time but you can create simple Polls
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or more complex Polls in Microsoft Forms
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and then add that in the Team.
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00:32:49.820 --> 00:32:52.890
You could post it as a very similar to what we're doing
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00:32:52.890 --> 00:32:57.890
here, you can post a form in as a message in the Team itself
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in the thread discussion there,
626
00:33:00.290 --> 00:33:03.850
you could also share a Poll that you maybe create
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and share it via email.
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Or blackboard.
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Or blackboard. Thank you. Thank you.
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Come on Jeff, think proper.
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I have a quick question and that is,
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so do you have to go back to that launch,
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I mean, to that page that you were on before in the tab
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00:33:22.360 --> 00:33:24.750
of the meeting, can you just be in the meeting,
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click Forms see your drafts and launch it from there?
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You know what I mean?
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Like say you made a few drafts of Polls that you want
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00:33:35.150 --> 00:33:38.010
to give during class, when you're in the meeting
639
00:33:38.010 --> 00:33:41.150
as the instructor can you just click Polls?
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00:33:41.150 --> 00:33:44.740
Well, which is counterintuitive that it has an F there
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but I get it.
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But anyway,
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you click that do you see your drafts
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and you can just launch them from that screen?
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Yes, yes.
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00:33:56.583 --> 00:33:57.416
All right.
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00:33:57.416 --> 00:33:59.780
Yeah. You click that same little icon and you're right.
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It's called Forms but then in here it's called quick Polls.
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00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:08.030
So yeah, that doesn't completely make sense, but
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yes, when I go back to that Forms icon
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I can decide what I would like to do as far
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as launching more drafts.
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00:34:18.500 --> 00:34:19.626
Okay.
654
00:34:19.626 --> 00:34:21.770
I have a question connected to that,
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00:34:21.770 --> 00:34:23.040
that kind of grew out of that one
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'cause that was the question I had too.
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So earlier I believe what I remember seeing when
658
00:34:30.710 --> 00:34:34.030
we were doing the ice cream Poll
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was I think I could see the draft before it was launched
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00:34:41.210 --> 00:34:43.210
and after clicking on
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00:34:44.200 --> 00:34:46.040
the Forms icon
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00:34:47.300 --> 00:34:51.157
came up in my sidebar and I'm wondering if that's correct.
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00:34:51.157 --> 00:34:53.600
So like if we have drafts of Polls, will other students
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be able to see what they are before we launch them?
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00:34:58.110 --> 00:35:01.610
I think if you give people editing capability, yes.
666
00:35:01.610 --> 00:35:04.640
Okay. And if you don't give them editing capability,
667
00:35:04.640 --> 00:35:05.570
is it no?
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00:35:05.570 --> 00:35:08.700
It won't be until it's launched. Correct.
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00:35:08.700 --> 00:35:09.813
Got it. Okay.
670
00:35:11.080 --> 00:35:15.430
Well, and the one thing that I'm not quite clear about is,
671
00:35:15.430 --> 00:35:18.427
so we're all basically presenters, co presenters
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and the default assumption of Microsoft Teams
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is that we're all colleagues in a situation where we might
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00:35:25.570 --> 00:35:29.440
all want to be in a role of presenting or contributing
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or sharing and that's not necessarily what is true
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for most course situations.
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00:35:36.290 --> 00:35:38.720
So we have suggestions about how to change
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those permissions.
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What I'm not sure about is I feel like when I was
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in this situation even if Holly has created a new draft,
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it hasn't launched it yet.
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00:35:51.690 --> 00:35:55.260
If we're all presenters, even if she says I can't edit it
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00:35:55.260 --> 00:35:57.420
I'm not sure if I might see it.
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00:35:57.420 --> 00:36:00.780
I don't know that, but I can create other Polls
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00:36:00.780 --> 00:36:03.610
and that may or may not be something that you want.
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00:36:03.610 --> 00:36:06.540
So I think the recommendation in most situations is going to
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00:36:06.540 --> 00:36:10.720
be not to have all of your students be co presenters
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in your class.
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00:36:11.950 --> 00:36:15.410
So if you make that change to the meeting options
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I don't think they will have the option to create a new
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00:36:18.168 --> 00:36:21.980
Poll and I would hope that they're not going to see
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00:36:21.980 --> 00:36:24.200
your draft Polls before you launch them
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00:36:24.200 --> 00:36:28.490
but this is new functionality as of this past month that
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we're working through.
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So I brought up the screen, Jeff, I don't know if you're
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on this window but for those of you can see my screen,
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this is under the more actions on the tool bar
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and meeting options.
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00:36:44.380 --> 00:36:47.900
So when you go to that function
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you can do what Jeff was just talking about, where you can,
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00:36:52.330 --> 00:36:55.350
who can present, the default is everyone.
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00:36:55.350 --> 00:36:58.610
So if you don't want that to be the default,
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you set it to only me, or you can also designate
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00:37:02.360 --> 00:37:07.050
specific people like a TA or a co instructor.
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00:37:07.050 --> 00:37:12.050
So I generally set it to, only me in like a classic
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00:37:12.090 --> 00:37:15.340
sort of situation and when I do that,
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00:37:15.340 --> 00:37:17.260
we'll see what happens.
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00:37:17.260 --> 00:37:20.290
The other day it changed people's settings on the fly
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00:37:20.290 --> 00:37:23.130
even if you were already in the meeting, so let's see.
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00:37:23.130 --> 00:37:24.543
I'm gonna save that.
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00:37:27.330 --> 00:37:30.320
The other thing you might want to do is,
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00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:33.690
we talked about this in the Teams workshop the other day
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00:37:33.690 --> 00:37:35.530
about the lobby area.
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00:37:35.530 --> 00:37:39.120
So there can be a virtual lobby right now it's set
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00:37:39.120 --> 00:37:42.300
by default to anyone can bypass that lobby.
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00:37:42.300 --> 00:37:46.720
If you want to protect your class a little bit from random
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00:37:46.720 --> 00:37:50.730
people coming into it, you could change that setting
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00:37:50.730 --> 00:37:53.940
to just people in my organization and guests.
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00:37:53.940 --> 00:37:58.940
So then only people with uvm.edu ID
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or a guest that you've invited would be able to join it.
721
00:38:04.300 --> 00:38:05.993
This is a huge improvement.
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00:38:08.070 --> 00:38:08.903
Yes.
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00:38:10.990 --> 00:38:12.970
So I've fixed that
724
00:38:14.150 --> 00:38:16.720
and now I don't know what your functions will be
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00:38:16.720 --> 00:38:20.430
under the Poll button now that you're all restricted
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00:38:20.430 --> 00:38:22.347
from presenting.
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00:38:22.347 --> 00:38:26.963
This is a little like exploration if you go back to Polls.
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00:38:33.020 --> 00:38:36.010
Maybe do you still have, create a new one
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00:38:36.850 --> 00:38:40.573
or are you restricted from that now as just an attendee?
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00:38:41.670 --> 00:38:44.540
All I can do is signage. Yeah.
731
00:38:44.540 --> 00:38:45.994
Okay.
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00:38:45.994 --> 00:38:48.350
So that an important thing.
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00:38:48.350 --> 00:38:51.260
I'll show one more time because
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twice as better than once, that's under the meeting options.
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00:38:55.070 --> 00:38:58.120
And if you are in the meeting as you notice,
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I just changed it right up front on the fly,
737
00:39:01.490 --> 00:39:05.540
the other way to change it back over on the window
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00:39:05.540 --> 00:39:08.320
where you create your meetings in the calendar here.
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00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:10.720
So let's say I was gonna change it for Yellowdig
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00:39:11.916 --> 00:39:14.660
to start afternoon, I double click on it
741
00:39:14.660 --> 00:39:17.040
and this is the window that comes up for
742
00:39:17.040 --> 00:39:18.830
your class meetings.
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00:39:18.830 --> 00:39:22.240
And again, there's a function here called meeting options
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00:39:22.240 --> 00:39:23.313
that you can open.
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00:39:24.900 --> 00:39:27.270
So it's available in more than one place,
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00:39:27.270 --> 00:39:30.210
I just wanted to make that clear that you can change
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00:39:30.210 --> 00:39:33.200
those settings before you go into the meeting
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00:39:33.200 --> 00:39:35.163
but you can also do it on the fly.
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And that's new, it was not available right here
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00:39:40.490 --> 00:39:42.913
in this toolbar last semester.
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00:39:46.450 --> 00:39:51.133
Okay. I wanna make sure that we also have a... sorry.
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00:39:52.540 --> 00:39:55.140
I think that functionality dropped in November
753
00:39:55.140 --> 00:39:57.413
but by then the semester is pretty much over.
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(laughs)
True.
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00:40:01.510 --> 00:40:04.530
So I wanted to also make sure we have time to do a few
756
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of the other things that we mentioned
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00:40:09.250 --> 00:40:10.740
and obviously we're not gonna
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00:40:11.950 --> 00:40:15.210
know every single thing there is to know by the end
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00:40:15.210 --> 00:40:16.280
of this about the polling,
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00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:18.860
it's gonna take a little bit of trial and error
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00:40:19.982 --> 00:40:23.346
but setting those meeting options upfront might
762
00:40:23.346 --> 00:40:25.550
(clears throat) help save you from having students take
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over things inadvertently.
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00:40:28.510 --> 00:40:30.782
Or delete them, right?
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(laughs)
766
00:40:31.670 --> 00:40:34.170
Okay. So we're gonna now
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look at the breakout room and channel option
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'cause I know that something folks are also really
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interested in.
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So just to give you
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a little bit of a heads up about the differences
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and I will also post in the chat in a moment or Ines,
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are you still here? Yes, you are.
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Could you-
Yes.
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00:40:58.510 --> 00:41:00.360
Look for that?
776
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:03.323
Yeah. Jen updated.
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00:41:04.396 --> 00:41:07.350
(multiple speakers)
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I made a table with pros and cons.
779
00:41:08.370 --> 00:41:09.610
Oh, good.
780
00:41:09.610 --> 00:41:11.580
Yeah. So if you could put that in the chat,
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00:41:11.580 --> 00:41:12.713
that would be awesome.
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00:41:14.220 --> 00:41:17.870
But the breakout rooms, we're really recommending those
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00:41:17.870 --> 00:41:21.270
as a tool to do what you would do as
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00:41:21.270 --> 00:41:23.657
like a turn and talk in class or,
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00:41:23.657 --> 00:41:26.480
"Push your chairs together, here's something I want you
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00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:29.640
to discuss briefly, 10, 20 minutes
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00:41:29.640 --> 00:41:31.440
and then we're gonna come back together."
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Longer term projects where the same group of folks
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going meeting over a time period
790
00:41:38.600 --> 00:41:40.810
together and they're working on documents,
791
00:41:40.810 --> 00:41:44.240
they're organizing themselves a meeting at different times.
792
00:41:44.240 --> 00:41:47.830
We still recommend using channels for that longer term
793
00:41:47.830 --> 00:41:50.830
project where there's going to be things
794
00:41:50.830 --> 00:41:53.653
they want to collect and save and meet together.
795
00:41:56.270 --> 00:41:58.040
And that's a good question, Bernice.
796
00:41:58.040 --> 00:42:01.179
You do not have to add the breakout room icon,
797
00:42:01.179 --> 00:42:06.179
that is one that if you are the organizer of the meeting
798
00:42:06.400 --> 00:42:09.810
that will be available up in the top toolbar
799
00:42:09.810 --> 00:42:11.760
just like you're seeing mine right now.
800
00:42:13.420 --> 00:42:18.420
You click on that when you wanna launch a breakout room
801
00:42:18.760 --> 00:42:21.490
and then you get these settings where you can say
802
00:42:21.490 --> 00:42:24.900
how you want to divide up folks,
803
00:42:24.900 --> 00:42:27.253
this says how many rooms do you need?
804
00:42:28.797 --> 00:42:31.423
And I'm gonna just select three.
805
00:42:33.130 --> 00:42:36.323
How would you like to assign participants?
806
00:42:37.660 --> 00:42:39.460
Generally this says
807
00:42:39.460 --> 00:42:42.170
automatically or manually.
808
00:42:42.170 --> 00:42:44.600
I'm not sure why that's not coming up but
809
00:42:46.780 --> 00:42:49.300
that's generally what it says and then you click create
810
00:42:49.300 --> 00:42:51.630
rooms depending how you've selected that.
811
00:42:51.630 --> 00:42:52.873
So let's try it.
812
00:42:56.170 --> 00:43:00.210
If you select automatically you telling it how many rooms
813
00:43:00.210 --> 00:43:01.793
and how many people per room.
814
00:43:04.070 --> 00:43:07.270
And generally like I said that function comes up
815
00:43:07.270 --> 00:43:10.510
on that screen where you can select those options.
816
00:43:10.510 --> 00:43:14.480
The other thing you could do is manually do it,
817
00:43:14.480 --> 00:43:16.980
obviously that's gonna take more time because
818
00:43:16.980 --> 00:43:20.930
you have to designate where each person's gonna go.
819
00:43:20.930 --> 00:43:24.200
It creates three rooms and then you manually click and drop
820
00:43:24.200 --> 00:43:26.390
people into each room.
821
00:43:26.390 --> 00:43:29.740
You'll see on my screen now that I selected three rooms
822
00:43:29.740 --> 00:43:33.770
as my option and it's put seven people in room one,
823
00:43:33.770 --> 00:43:37.780
six people in room two, six people in room three.
824
00:43:37.780 --> 00:43:40.751
I can use this little
825
00:43:40.751 --> 00:43:44.450
triangle to drop down the list so I can see
826
00:43:44.450 --> 00:43:47.610
where each person is supposed to go.
827
00:43:47.610 --> 00:43:51.010
If I don't want Jennifer in room three
828
00:43:51.010 --> 00:43:53.860
'cause I know she fights a lot with Nikki,
829
00:43:53.860 --> 00:43:58.100
I can reassign her to room two
830
00:43:58.100 --> 00:44:01.920
and then I can go to room two and say, okay,
831
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:05.050
we're gonna leave Jennifer there and we're gonna move
832
00:44:05.050 --> 00:44:07.980
Jody over to room three.
833
00:44:07.980 --> 00:44:11.680
Okay. So you can do a little shuffling around
834
00:44:11.680 --> 00:44:16.680
if the auto generation isn't exactly what you want and then
835
00:44:18.620 --> 00:44:23.110
once it's all ready, all you do is click this button
836
00:44:23.110 --> 00:44:26.630
and you start your room. Okay.
837
00:44:26.630 --> 00:44:30.440
Now I'm gonna do it just briefly and then I'm gonna suck you
838
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:32.930
all back into the main meeting automatically.
839
00:44:32.930 --> 00:44:34.680
And the way I do that,
840
00:44:34.680 --> 00:44:37.580
the automatically starts when I click start room
841
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:41.750
and then what will happen is I'm going to close
842
00:44:41.750 --> 00:44:43.420
all the rooms,
843
00:44:43.420 --> 00:44:47.710
and when I close all the rooms that will automatically
844
00:44:47.710 --> 00:44:50.090
just shut them down and bring you back here.
845
00:44:50.090 --> 00:44:52.580
So you'll have a couple minutes to say hi.
846
00:44:52.580 --> 00:44:57.497
One thing I want you to try when you're in your room is
847
00:44:57.497 --> 00:45:00.223
can you start a recording of your room?
848
00:45:01.120 --> 00:45:03.760
Because the other day I tried this with a group
849
00:45:03.760 --> 00:45:07.123
and we weren't able to do it except for the instructor.
850
00:45:08.410 --> 00:45:12.760
So I wanna see when I read the documentation it said,
851
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:14.700
once you're in your rooms
852
00:45:14.700 --> 00:45:17.330
that everyone should be a presenter
853
00:45:17.330 --> 00:45:20.090
so that means that you should have all the capability
854
00:45:20.090 --> 00:45:24.490
to share your screen with your colleagues, to record,
855
00:45:24.490 --> 00:45:28.750
to upload a file, any of those sorts of things.
856
00:45:28.750 --> 00:45:33.750
So check that out, the recording and if you can present.
857
00:45:34.040 --> 00:45:36.640
Another thing I wanted to let you know is,
858
00:45:36.640 --> 00:45:41.010
when you create these breakout rooms, underneath this menu
859
00:45:41.010 --> 00:45:43.950
up at the top, the little three dots
860
00:45:43.950 --> 00:45:46.910
there are settings for your rooms,
861
00:45:46.910 --> 00:45:49.230
only a couple but they are important.
862
00:45:49.230 --> 00:45:53.290
So by default, automatically move participants
863
00:45:53.290 --> 00:45:56.030
to their rooms is selected.
864
00:45:56.030 --> 00:45:58.820
So when I opened those rooms you're gonna get pushed
865
00:45:58.820 --> 00:46:00.070
into them.
866
00:46:00.070 --> 00:46:02.100
This is not by default,
867
00:46:02.100 --> 00:46:05.270
participants can return to the main meeting.
868
00:46:05.270 --> 00:46:07.820
I generally enable that because I think it's nice
869
00:46:07.820 --> 00:46:12.110
if they want some help, you could have a TA remain
870
00:46:12.110 --> 00:46:15.290
in the main meeting and I ask them to just go back
871
00:46:15.290 --> 00:46:17.323
to the main room and ask questions.
872
00:46:19.200 --> 00:46:21.810
And I just think it's nice to have that functionality
873
00:46:21.810 --> 00:46:23.800
available to go back and forth
874
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:27.310
but you can leave that turned off
875
00:46:27.310 --> 00:46:28.830
and then they won't be able to come back
876
00:46:28.830 --> 00:46:33.800
until you bring them back when you close the meetings. Okay?
877
00:46:33.800 --> 00:46:36.390
So we're gonna try this for a moment
878
00:46:36.390 --> 00:46:39.450
and what I want you to do, remember check if you can record,
879
00:46:39.450 --> 00:46:42.483
if you can present and if you can upload a document.
880
00:46:43.740 --> 00:46:46.873
Could I ask a quick question before we break out?
881
00:46:47.847 --> 00:46:48.680
But we already breakout.
882
00:46:48.680 --> 00:46:49.513
Yep.
883
00:46:51.003 --> 00:46:55.060
As a lecturer, I was wondering if you would be able
884
00:46:55.060 --> 00:46:58.150
to send us just a quick message in our room and say,
885
00:46:58.150 --> 00:47:00.760
we're gonna be convening in five minutes
886
00:47:00.760 --> 00:47:01.593
or
887
00:47:04.250 --> 00:47:07.620
will we see how you send us information
888
00:47:07.620 --> 00:47:09.200
while we're in that room?
889
00:47:09.200 --> 00:47:10.370
Maybe you send us
890
00:47:11.570 --> 00:47:13.740
another Poll for just that group
891
00:47:13.740 --> 00:47:16.513
or something in particular assignment for that group.
892
00:47:17.430 --> 00:47:21.370
Okay. So I will show you, I can pop in and out of rooms
893
00:47:21.370 --> 00:47:22.770
as the instructor,
894
00:47:22.770 --> 00:47:25.853
I can also send an announcement to all the rooms.
895
00:47:27.020 --> 00:47:28.973
I'm gonna set a timer so when there's,
896
00:47:30.030 --> 00:47:32.810
ill let you play for like two minutes or so,
897
00:47:32.810 --> 00:47:34.430
test out a couple of things
898
00:47:34.430 --> 00:47:37.330
and then I'll send an announcement that you're coming back
899
00:47:38.240 --> 00:47:39.750
and I'll bring you back.
900
00:47:39.750 --> 00:47:41.493
So you'll see that announcement.
901
00:47:44.540 --> 00:47:45.373
Yes.
902
00:47:46.380 --> 00:47:49.070
Holly, that even while you're doing things
903
00:47:49.070 --> 00:47:50.820
in the main meeting and getting
904
00:47:50.820 --> 00:47:52.830
you might want to continue to narrate it
905
00:47:52.830 --> 00:47:54.930
'cause this is going to be recorded
906
00:47:54.930 --> 00:47:58.490
and I presume we'll still see your screen being recorded.
907
00:47:58.490 --> 00:48:00.320
So you're going to, even though no one's there,
908
00:48:00.320 --> 00:48:04.750
you can continue to say, "Now I'm gonna go into this room
909
00:48:04.750 --> 00:48:07.390
and do XYZ, now I'm gonna go up out
910
00:48:07.390 --> 00:48:10.450
or now I'm gonna send them a Poll," that kind of thing
911
00:48:10.450 --> 00:48:13.053
'cause we can benefit from that later.
912
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:16.410
Good idea. Thank you.
913
00:48:16.410 --> 00:48:18.940
Okay, here we go.
914
00:48:18.940 --> 00:48:20.210
It takes a couple of seconds,
915
00:48:20.210 --> 00:48:24.440
you'll see as it starts up, I'm clicking start room.
916
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:27.940
And I just see that it's opening, opening, opening.
917
00:48:27.940 --> 00:48:29.980
In a moment as they start to launch
918
00:48:29.980 --> 00:48:31.700
you should see it saying,
919
00:48:31.700 --> 00:48:34.680
you are gonna be shifted into a breakout room
920
00:48:35.930 --> 00:48:38.713
and then I start seeing you all disappear.
921
00:49:01.941 --> 00:49:06.941
What is it?
922
00:49:07.140 --> 00:49:07.973
Join.
923
00:49:08.820 --> 00:49:11.573
John, did you join on your phone?
924
00:49:13.840 --> 00:49:17.130
Oh, there we go. Okay.
925
00:49:17.130 --> 00:49:19.410
Looks like everybody got put into their breakout rooms,
926
00:49:19.410 --> 00:49:22.010
it just took a few moments.
927
00:49:22.010 --> 00:49:26.760
So I'm gonna go up here to the breakout room menu
928
00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:29.890
and then there's an announcement function.
929
00:49:29.890 --> 00:49:32.090
So I'm gonna click on, make an announcement.
930
00:49:34.497 --> 00:49:37.414
(keyboard tapping)
931
00:49:54.980 --> 00:49:55.813
Hey, Lance.
932
00:49:57.230 --> 00:49:59.643
Hi, everything froze up I had to reboot.
933
00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:01.753
Oh.
934
00:50:04.270 --> 00:50:07.150
Are you on a laptop or a phone or?
935
00:50:07.150 --> 00:50:08.373
I'm on a laptop.
936
00:50:11.640 --> 00:50:13.131
Okay.
937
00:50:13.131 --> 00:50:15.840
You had me assigned to a group and it looks like
938
00:50:15.840 --> 00:50:18.280
when I had to reboot I might've exited myself
939
00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:20.080
from the group. That's good to know.
940
00:50:21.210 --> 00:50:24.173
So do you see a button where you can join?
941
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:28.110
I don't see a group button at the top,
942
00:50:28.110 --> 00:50:30.163
I see Polls and raise hand.
943
00:50:32.230 --> 00:50:33.063
Yeah.
944
00:50:34.600 --> 00:50:38.400
Well this is good, now I know if someone accidentally leaves
945
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:41.353
a group they don't automatically come back into that group.
946
00:50:42.350 --> 00:50:43.670
Well,
947
00:50:43.670 --> 00:50:46.040
what happens
948
00:50:46.040 --> 00:50:49.203
for my view is that I think,
949
00:50:50.130 --> 00:50:53.095
let's see you were in group three.
950
00:50:53.095 --> 00:50:53.928
Okay.
951
00:50:53.928 --> 00:50:56.860
And it's showing that you're supposed to still
952
00:50:56.860 --> 00:51:00.400
be in group three but
953
00:51:00.400 --> 00:51:02.570
the only thing I can do is ask you to join it.
954
00:51:02.570 --> 00:51:04.500
So I'm gonna try that function.
955
00:51:04.500 --> 00:51:07.233
Sure.
It should be calling you.
956
00:51:10.430 --> 00:51:13.020
But you're not getting any alert, huh?
957
00:51:13.020 --> 00:51:17.040
Well, I did set my, do not disturb earlier,
958
00:51:17.040 --> 00:51:19.570
maybe that's what's keeping me from...
959
00:51:19.570 --> 00:51:23.031
That's definitely what it is so if you like deselect that.
960
00:51:23.031 --> 00:51:25.337
I'm gonna turn that off. I'm gonna put that back
961
00:51:25.337 --> 00:51:26.887
on available.
If you turn that off.
962
00:51:26.887 --> 00:51:28.470
Yeah. Okay.
963
00:51:28.470 --> 00:51:30.760
And that's the same for when you're running the rooms
964
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:34.600
as the instructor, you have to turn off your do not disturb.
965
00:51:34.600 --> 00:51:35.740
Got it.
966
00:51:35.740 --> 00:51:38.640
'Cause otherwise you won't see folks trying to ping you.
967
00:51:38.640 --> 00:51:41.483
That's right. Okay. So now I see,
968
00:51:42.751 --> 00:51:44.401
I haven't received an invitation.
969
00:51:46.910 --> 00:51:49.340
It's still says it's calling you.
970
00:51:49.340 --> 00:51:50.173
Hmm?
971
00:51:53.470 --> 00:51:54.303
Nothing?
972
00:51:55.810 --> 00:51:58.499
Curious, curious here. No.
973
00:51:58.499 --> 00:52:00.582
(laughs)
974
00:52:01.620 --> 00:52:04.730
Yeah. This happened with one person the other day too
975
00:52:04.730 --> 00:52:06.860
but he had joined on his phone
976
00:52:06.860 --> 00:52:11.170
and it doesn't work well with any sort of mobile device.
977
00:52:11.170 --> 00:52:12.003
Yeah.
978
00:52:13.550 --> 00:52:15.460
I'm gonna bring folks back.
979
00:52:15.460 --> 00:52:16.293
Okay.
980
00:52:19.220 --> 00:52:20.530
I'm sending an announcement,
981
00:52:20.530 --> 00:52:23.190
I don't know if you'll see that since you're not in a room.
982
00:52:23.190 --> 00:52:24.533
Okay. Yeah, I do see it.
983
00:52:25.880 --> 00:52:29.490
Hey, by the way, you are really working hard and we see you.
984
00:52:29.490 --> 00:52:32.503
So thank you for all of your overtime you're putting in.
985
00:52:33.820 --> 00:52:34.653
(laughs)
986
00:52:34.653 --> 00:52:36.050
That's very kind.
987
00:52:36.050 --> 00:52:38.540
Okay. I'm gonna close the rooms.
988
00:52:38.540 --> 00:52:42.063
Folks should start coming back in just a second.
989
00:52:45.560 --> 00:52:48.870
My wifi has been a little bit bumpy this morning
990
00:52:48.870 --> 00:52:53.350
so I think it takes longer (chuckles) than normal.
991
00:52:53.350 --> 00:52:56.193
Some mornings it's totally fine and other days it's not.
992
00:53:01.270 --> 00:53:02.670
Okay. What have you learned.
993
00:53:03.990 --> 00:53:05.363
Okay. Thank you, Annie.
994
00:53:07.212 --> 00:53:10.212
(multiple speakers)
995
00:53:13.540 --> 00:53:17.370
I wanted to let folks know Lance got stuck
996
00:53:17.370 --> 00:53:20.490
and I'm gonna let him just say what he experienced
997
00:53:20.490 --> 00:53:22.690
so you'll know if this happens to a student.
998
00:53:24.120 --> 00:53:25.487
Oh yeah.
999
00:53:25.487 --> 00:53:30.300
So my machine, It froze up just as we were transitioning
1000
00:53:30.300 --> 00:53:31.760
into groups.
1001
00:53:31.760 --> 00:53:36.290
So I had to reboot and when I joined the meeting
1002
00:53:36.290 --> 00:53:39.290
I anticipated I would join right back within the group
1003
00:53:39.290 --> 00:53:43.140
but I didn't, I was back in the main room with Holly.
1004
00:53:43.140 --> 00:53:46.770
Holly attempted to invite me back into a group
1005
00:53:46.770 --> 00:53:48.870
and I never received the invitation.
1006
00:53:48.870 --> 00:53:50.953
So that's good to know.
1007
00:53:53.264 --> 00:53:54.527
Definitely.
1008
00:53:54.527 --> 00:53:55.950
And this happened the other day,
1009
00:53:55.950 --> 00:53:58.570
the other person I was working with had joined
1010
00:53:58.570 --> 00:54:00.480
on their phone initially.
1011
00:54:00.480 --> 00:54:02.200
The breakout rooms doesn't work well
1012
00:54:02.200 --> 00:54:04.603
with any sort of mobile device at this point.
1013
00:54:06.044 --> 00:54:09.750
So when they tried to then join it on their laptop
1014
00:54:09.750 --> 00:54:13.980
it didn't fully release their log in on the phone
1015
00:54:13.980 --> 00:54:17.460
and so the same thing happened like it.
1016
00:54:17.460 --> 00:54:18.293
I think
1017
00:54:20.118 --> 00:54:23.520
the meeting itself thought Lance and this other person
1018
00:54:23.520 --> 00:54:26.650
were still there somehow so it wouldn't allow me
1019
00:54:26.650 --> 00:54:30.660
to then re add them or give them a new alert.
1020
00:54:30.660 --> 00:54:33.283
So just so you know that can happen.
1021
00:54:34.780 --> 00:54:39.440
The way to solve it if it's happening in the moment
1022
00:54:39.440 --> 00:54:42.350
and you're not sure what to do is you could just
1023
00:54:42.350 --> 00:54:45.020
let one student stay in the main room
1024
00:54:45.020 --> 00:54:47.630
and then ask a couple other folks to join him
1025
00:54:47.630 --> 00:54:49.623
or her in the main room,
1026
00:54:51.240 --> 00:54:53.780
and that way they wouldn't miss the conversation totally,
1027
00:54:53.780 --> 00:54:57.200
there would at least be conversation back in the main room.
1028
00:54:57.200 --> 00:55:00.430
This has also happened with folks who have
1029
00:55:00.430 --> 00:55:04.100
like a Med account and they log in with their Med account,
1030
00:55:04.100 --> 00:55:05.663
not the UVM account,
1031
00:55:06.630 --> 00:55:10.990
the regular UVM, they've been stranded in the main room
1032
00:55:10.990 --> 00:55:13.080
instead of being able to go to a breakout.
1033
00:55:13.080 --> 00:55:15.893
So it does happen from time to time.
1034
00:55:16.850 --> 00:55:20.590
The best thing to do to try to avoid it is have people join
1035
00:55:20.590 --> 00:55:23.200
on their laptops if they have one
1036
00:55:23.200 --> 00:55:26.780
and if they do not, you'll probably
1037
00:55:27.790 --> 00:55:29.280
it might be a good thing to ask students
1038
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:31.810
if anyone's planning on running their mobile devices
1039
00:55:31.810 --> 00:55:33.710
because I think those folks would probably
1040
00:55:33.710 --> 00:55:36.820
at this point have to be in the main room conversing
1041
00:55:36.820 --> 00:55:39.610
and they wouldn't be able to bump out into another room.
1042
00:55:39.610 --> 00:55:42.750
So it'd be good to know that so you can keep a few students
1043
00:55:42.750 --> 00:55:45.520
together in the main room to discuss.
1044
00:55:45.520 --> 00:55:47.930
Maybe do a quick Poll of your class,
1045
00:55:47.930 --> 00:55:50.630
how many are on mobile devices and then try to break those
1046
00:55:50.630 --> 00:55:54.893
people up into groups and keep them in the main room.
1047
00:55:56.200 --> 00:55:58.790
'Cause I know there are some people who really,
1048
00:55:58.790 --> 00:56:01.780
they function on a phone or on an iPad or something
1049
00:56:01.780 --> 00:56:05.860
and so that may present a barrier for them.
1050
00:56:05.860 --> 00:56:08.800
Meghan, do you have a question? And the Ines.
1051
00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:11.280
Yeah. I was just gonna report out
1052
00:56:11.280 --> 00:56:13.500
on our group's experience.
1053
00:56:13.500 --> 00:56:15.313
We were able to record,
1054
00:56:18.337 --> 00:56:21.380
we were able to share our screen
1055
00:56:23.064 --> 00:56:27.640
and we were able to use meeting notes and whiteboards
1056
00:56:27.640 --> 00:56:30.260
but then we couldn't get back.
1057
00:56:30.260 --> 00:56:33.060
We couldn't get out of the whiteboard.
1058
00:56:33.060 --> 00:56:36.490
Like there was nothing, no way for us to get back
1059
00:56:36.490 --> 00:56:37.940
to seeing each other's
1060
00:56:39.402 --> 00:56:41.802
faces or whatever.
1061
00:56:41.802 --> 00:56:44.230
Yeah. I tried that in the morning actually
1062
00:56:44.230 --> 00:56:47.310
and what I noticed is immediately the button
1063
00:56:47.310 --> 00:56:51.890
was not available but after I moused over the whiteboard
1064
00:56:51.890 --> 00:56:55.760
for a few minutes, then a little button became available
1065
00:56:55.760 --> 00:56:57.940
that said stop presenting.
1066
00:56:57.940 --> 00:56:59.980
Hmm.
So whoever starts
1067
00:56:59.980 --> 00:57:03.630
the whiteboard she could then have that button available
1068
00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:07.230
but it took a minute for it to become available.
1069
00:57:07.230 --> 00:57:09.793
It was like just a little link on the lower left.
1070
00:57:11.270 --> 00:57:14.160
So we had one tab said what board,
1071
00:57:14.160 --> 00:57:19.160
one tab said meeting notes and you had the option to go back
1072
00:57:19.400 --> 00:57:21.640
and forth between those two tabs.
1073
00:57:21.640 --> 00:57:24.550
It wasn't like someone presenting
1074
00:57:24.550 --> 00:57:27.690
but there was also a button that said join
1075
00:57:27.690 --> 00:57:30.320
and one of us was able to click that button
1076
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:33.310
and go back to the meeting window
1077
00:57:35.157 --> 00:57:36.810
and the rest of us kept clicking join
1078
00:57:36.810 --> 00:57:38.123
and nothing was happening.
1079
00:57:40.710 --> 00:57:41.810
Huh?
1080
00:57:41.810 --> 00:57:45.263
Yeah. There's some odd things that do occur often on.
1081
00:57:46.998 --> 00:57:48.128
Yeah.
1082
00:57:48.128 --> 00:57:49.340
I wanna ask just briefly,
1083
00:57:49.340 --> 00:57:53.120
is anybody else experiencing Holly's voice
1084
00:57:53.120 --> 00:57:57.247
as breaking up frequently or is it just me?
1085
00:57:57.247 --> 00:58:00.230
I experience your voice is breaking up pretty frequently.
1086
00:58:00.230 --> 00:58:02.630
So it's probably my internet connection. Okay.
1087
00:58:04.120 --> 00:58:06.210
There's just a really big visual lag
1088
00:58:06.210 --> 00:58:07.103
with the video.
1089
00:58:10.953 --> 00:58:11.786
I don't know.
1090
00:58:11.786 --> 00:58:14.380
I think my internet is a little slow this morning
1091
00:58:14.380 --> 00:58:17.990
and sometimes Teams itself has glitches.
1092
00:58:17.990 --> 00:58:21.700
So I don't know, when a lot of people are logged in
1093
00:58:21.700 --> 00:58:23.830
sometimes it's is a little slow.
1094
00:58:23.830 --> 00:58:27.200
So hopefully the recording won't be that glitchy,
1095
00:58:27.200 --> 00:58:28.033
we'll see.
1096
00:58:28.990 --> 00:58:32.063
But mostly you're sounding fine.
1097
00:58:33.060 --> 00:58:35.233
Good.
And you're fine to me.
1098
00:58:37.210 --> 00:58:38.370
Excellent.
1099
00:58:38.370 --> 00:58:41.680
So I see, Ines, do you have another question?
1100
00:58:41.680 --> 00:58:43.760
Your hand is still up.
1101
00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:45.530
Nope.
Okay.
1102
00:58:45.530 --> 00:58:47.193
Karen, and then Nikki.
1103
00:58:49.310 --> 00:58:51.824
My question was just about the people on mobile
1104
00:58:51.824 --> 00:58:53.490
devices, will they just not get,
1105
00:58:53.490 --> 00:58:56.220
they'll just stay in the main room anyway?
1106
00:58:56.220 --> 00:58:58.060
Is that what will happen?
I think so.
1107
00:58:58.060 --> 00:59:00.142
So as long as you have enough of them?
1108
00:59:00.142 --> 00:59:02.540
That seems to be the experience I've had so far.
1109
00:59:02.540 --> 00:59:06.060
So as long as there are enough of them to talk
1110
00:59:06.060 --> 00:59:08.410
to each other you can just explain to them
1111
00:59:08.410 --> 00:59:11.223
that they are gonna, if you're on a mobile device,
1112
00:59:12.218 --> 00:59:15.433
your discussion will take place in the main meeting?
1113
00:59:17.350 --> 00:59:20.540
Correct. Or if you know there's a few people
1114
00:59:20.540 --> 00:59:24.900
who that's only device they can use, then maybe
1115
00:59:24.900 --> 00:59:27.550
just making sure you assign a couple of students
1116
00:59:27.550 --> 00:59:29.733
to stay with them in the main meeting.
1117
00:59:31.540 --> 00:59:34.710
(beep)
Okay.
1118
00:59:34.710 --> 00:59:35.870
Nikki.
1119
00:59:35.870 --> 00:59:39.410
So it sounds it might be a good idea just to let students
1120
00:59:39.410 --> 00:59:42.060
know that when we do breakout rooms
1121
00:59:42.060 --> 00:59:45.230
that it's possible that they might not find themselves moved
1122
00:59:45.230 --> 00:59:47.710
into a breakout room and just to tell them if that happens
1123
00:59:47.710 --> 00:59:51.870
or they get booted to log back in and go to the main class,
1124
00:59:51.870 --> 00:59:54.110
the main frame or whatever you might call it.
1125
00:59:54.110 --> 00:59:57.650
And then I just wanted to make sure so then if they are
1126
00:59:57.650 --> 01:00:00.090
in the main room I could just leave them there
1127
01:00:00.090 --> 01:00:03.120
and I could potentially just close one small group
1128
01:00:03.120 --> 01:00:04.940
so that they come back to the main room
1129
01:00:04.940 --> 01:00:06.640
and they can all discuss together.
1130
01:00:08.100 --> 01:00:09.310
Correct.
Okay. All right.
1131
01:00:09.310 --> 01:00:11.130
Yes. Yes.
1132
01:00:11.130 --> 01:00:14.570
You can close the different rooms individually
1133
01:00:14.570 --> 01:00:16.902
or all at once.
Okay.
1134
01:00:16.902 --> 01:00:18.310
There's a button to start and stop
1135
01:00:18.310 --> 01:00:22.840
and once they're started, individually you are able to close
1136
01:00:22.840 --> 01:00:25.060
them one at a time and I'm gonna share my screen.
1137
01:00:25.060 --> 01:00:29.620
I stopped just for connection sake but I'll share one more
1138
01:00:29.620 --> 01:00:32.690
time so you can see as the instructor
1139
01:00:32.690 --> 01:00:35.030
and I apologize that we're over time, a little bit.
1140
01:00:35.030 --> 01:00:36.760
I hate to rush.
1141
01:00:36.760 --> 01:00:39.120
So if you can stay a few more minutes,
1142
01:00:39.120 --> 01:00:41.190
I'm gonna keep recording and show you a couple more
1143
01:00:41.190 --> 01:00:43.900
things but I totally understand if you have to go
1144
01:00:43.900 --> 01:00:46.750
and you can access the recording after the Fact.
1145
01:00:46.750 --> 01:00:49.730
So you'll see here on my breakout room window
1146
01:00:49.730 --> 01:00:53.670
which is access by this icon on the toolbar that
1147
01:00:53.670 --> 01:00:58.390
I can still see the different rooms, I can restart the rooms
1148
01:00:58.390 --> 01:00:59.523
and you would be,
1149
01:01:01.600 --> 01:01:04.150
if I start them again I'm gonna just start and stop
1150
01:01:04.150 --> 01:01:06.910
real quick but if I start them again,
1151
01:01:06.910 --> 01:01:10.000
what happens is people get assigned back
1152
01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:11.683
into those same rooms.
1153
01:01:17.916 --> 01:01:19.833
(beep)
1154
01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:24.920
So it might boot you out to a room but then we'll come back.
1155
01:01:43.080 --> 01:01:47.160
So closing one room to see if those folks will get put back
1156
01:01:47.160 --> 01:01:49.113
into this room.
1157
01:01:50.740 --> 01:01:55.110
Okay. So I closed room three but I left the other two open
1158
01:01:55.110 --> 01:01:57.143
just to show what that looks like.
1159
01:01:58.043 --> 01:02:01.610
So rooms one and two are still open
1160
01:02:01.610 --> 01:02:06.090
and they're going along and room three is closed
1161
01:02:06.090 --> 01:02:08.250
as you can see on my window here
1162
01:02:11.070 --> 01:02:14.940
I can message everybody make an announcement right now
1163
01:02:15.980 --> 01:02:19.673
or I can just close these individually as you can see,
1164
01:02:20.770 --> 01:02:24.310
I can join a room here that's open,
1165
01:02:24.310 --> 01:02:27.460
that's how you go toggling between different rooms.
1166
01:02:27.460 --> 01:02:31.010
So for example, room one, you always look for those little
1167
01:02:31.010 --> 01:02:34.110
dots in Teams because more menus are available
1168
01:02:34.110 --> 01:02:35.980
under those little ellipses.
1169
01:02:35.980 --> 01:02:39.880
And so when I go to join a room,
1170
01:02:39.880 --> 01:02:43.730
I click there and then I have to use that button
1171
01:02:43.730 --> 01:02:47.570
that says return and I can go in between different
1172
01:02:47.570 --> 01:02:48.533
rooms that way.
1173
01:02:49.800 --> 01:02:51.800
So you did not close rooms.
1174
01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:54.650
I take it cause we were sitting there waiting for you
1175
01:02:54.650 --> 01:02:57.493
to bring us back but there was no,
1176
01:02:58.588 --> 01:03:02.900
it never happened so I just clicked rejoin
1177
01:03:02.900 --> 01:03:04.950
the main meeting or whatever it's called.
1178
01:03:06.210 --> 01:03:09.220
Yes. So I was just demonstrating in the recording
1179
01:03:09.220 --> 01:03:12.200
how you can have some rooms open and one closed
1180
01:03:12.200 --> 01:03:14.830
and then I was also showing how you can join a room
1181
01:03:15.790 --> 01:03:17.270
as the instructor.
1182
01:03:17.270 --> 01:03:20.360
So I'm gonna go ahead and close the other rooms.
1183
01:03:20.360 --> 01:03:24.300
And since I closed one it's not letting me close the rest
1184
01:03:24.300 --> 01:03:27.303
of them all at once, I have to select them one at a time.
1185
01:03:28.610 --> 01:03:29.443
Okay.
1186
01:03:30.370 --> 01:03:33.070
But that is the way that you join them
1187
01:03:33.070 --> 01:03:37.140
and then ask people to come back next to the little
1188
01:03:37.140 --> 01:03:39.513
ellipses button next to each room.
1189
01:03:41.310 --> 01:03:44.500
So what I can see on my screen
1190
01:03:44.500 --> 01:03:49.500
now that we've done this activity is over here on the chat,
1191
01:03:51.340 --> 01:03:53.680
and again, this isn't a CTL event account
1192
01:03:53.680 --> 01:03:55.970
so you see different events here in the chat
1193
01:03:55.970 --> 01:04:00.413
but I can see room one, room three, room two.
1194
01:04:01.330 --> 01:04:04.723
You all can only see that the room you were in I believe.
1195
01:04:06.210 --> 01:04:09.000
If I wanna see what was going on in room one,
1196
01:04:09.000 --> 01:04:13.520
I can click there and I can see that there are recording
1197
01:04:13.520 --> 01:04:16.450
occurred so I can go in and look at that.
1198
01:04:16.450 --> 01:04:18.813
I can see there was image share,
1199
01:04:20.190 --> 01:04:23.250
I bet that was the whiteboard that they were using.
1200
01:04:23.250 --> 01:04:27.020
Room three, I can see they had a little recording
1201
01:04:27.020 --> 01:04:28.173
and room two.
1202
01:04:29.540 --> 01:04:32.750
So I think the recording could be helpful
1203
01:04:32.750 --> 01:04:36.270
if you want to be able or your TA wants to be able to go in
1204
01:04:36.270 --> 01:04:39.350
and see after the Fact what was discussed or if the folks
1205
01:04:39.350 --> 01:04:43.120
in the meeting themselves wanna be able to revisit it.
1206
01:04:43.120 --> 01:04:47.320
So that is a good thing to make them aware of as an option
1207
01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:49.670
or if you really want them to be doing it,
1208
01:04:49.670 --> 01:04:51.830
I would suggest telling them to start it
1209
01:04:51.830 --> 01:04:54.330
for each of their breakouts.
1210
01:04:54.330 --> 01:04:55.220
And
1211
01:04:56.600 --> 01:04:59.980
if you added any files to your meeting,
1212
01:04:59.980 --> 01:05:01.823
those would also be available.
1213
01:05:03.210 --> 01:05:07.830
Any questions on the view here that the instructor can see
1214
01:05:09.190 --> 01:05:11.840
or how the breakout rooms were functioning for folks?
1215
01:05:17.070 --> 01:05:18.843
Meghan and then Jeff.
I have a question.
1216
01:05:21.487 --> 01:05:24.630
So I'm imagining using breakout rooms for like
1217
01:05:24.630 --> 01:05:27.650
quick small discussions,
1218
01:05:27.650 --> 01:05:30.200
small group discussion that we normally do in class
1219
01:05:31.130 --> 01:05:33.410
sort of think pair, share kind of things
1220
01:05:33.410 --> 01:05:38.380
but if they take notes in their breakout rooms
1221
01:05:38.380 --> 01:05:40.320
and then come back to the main meeting
1222
01:05:40.320 --> 01:05:43.540
they won't be able to see those notes, right?
1223
01:05:43.540 --> 01:05:44.803
Like real time?
1224
01:05:46.330 --> 01:05:47.343
Well, those notes,
1225
01:05:48.620 --> 01:05:51.780
I have a soap box that I can get on about meeting notes.
1226
01:05:51.780 --> 01:05:55.690
Basically those notes get stored inside the individual
1227
01:05:55.690 --> 01:05:58.870
meeting, so if they want to see them
1228
01:05:58.870 --> 01:06:01.370
they would need to go look at the,
1229
01:06:01.370 --> 01:06:05.650
basically the chat history and find the room they were in
1230
01:06:05.650 --> 01:06:08.070
and meeting notes will be an option there.
1231
01:06:08.070 --> 01:06:09.900
And so they'd be able to see the meeting notes there.
1232
01:06:09.900 --> 01:06:12.500
They have to kind of manage switching between screens
1233
01:06:12.500 --> 01:06:13.400
to be able to
1234
01:06:15.269 --> 01:06:16.920
(clears throat)
people or see
1235
01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:19.080
their meeting notes if they needed to read something
1236
01:06:19.080 --> 01:06:21.873
like that or split their screens, windows management.
1237
01:06:23.880 --> 01:06:27.280
So but if I was asking each group to kind of
1238
01:06:27.280 --> 01:06:30.900
share one thing from their meeting, that would be tricky.
1239
01:06:30.900 --> 01:06:32.690
So maybe they would also wanna write it
1240
01:06:32.690 --> 01:06:35.300
down on their notepads (chuckles)
1241
01:06:35.300 --> 01:06:37.650
Note pads or,
1242
01:06:37.650 --> 01:06:41.580
the meeting notes functionality is kind of a weird
1243
01:06:41.580 --> 01:06:45.640
SharePoint Wiki thing and it just doesn't behave
1244
01:06:45.640 --> 01:06:47.620
like many other things that people use.
1245
01:06:47.620 --> 01:06:51.170
So I would encourage people either to use one note
1246
01:06:52.620 --> 01:06:55.063
or to just create a new Word doc somewhere,
1247
01:06:56.220 --> 01:07:00.123
Word doc that they could put anywhere or Google docs.
1248
01:07:02.720 --> 01:07:05.130
They should be relatively analogous.
1249
01:07:05.130 --> 01:07:06.180
Thank you.
1250
01:07:07.660 --> 01:07:10.330
Yeah. And I had my hand up just because of
1251
01:07:10.330 --> 01:07:13.060
some folks were kinda struggling to find how you share
1252
01:07:13.060 --> 01:07:15.060
a whiteboard inside
1253
01:07:16.070 --> 01:07:20.490
the meeting and I was having brain freeze about where
1254
01:07:20.490 --> 01:07:24.520
that is but if you click the button to share your desktop
1255
01:07:24.520 --> 01:07:28.290
or to start sharing and you get the panel that comes up
1256
01:07:28.290 --> 01:07:31.270
from the bottom that lets you share a window or your desktop
1257
01:07:31.270 --> 01:07:34.260
or a PowerPoint, and then there's a whiteboard is over
1258
01:07:34.260 --> 01:07:37.120
on the side right there which I just flaked
1259
01:07:37.120 --> 01:07:38.480
on where that was.
1260
01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:39.313
Okay. Cool.
1261
01:07:41.870 --> 01:07:43.840
And somebody had a weird issue with,
1262
01:07:43.840 --> 01:07:46.706
it's saying that they weren't authorized.
1263
01:07:46.706 --> 01:07:48.533
I'll look into that for Jennifer.
1264
01:07:52.220 --> 01:07:55.120
So I just posted in the chat a reminder
1265
01:07:55.120 --> 01:07:56.500
of how to make channels.
1266
01:07:56.500 --> 01:08:00.770
If you do wanna have those longer term meetings
1267
01:08:00.770 --> 01:08:04.420
where students can meet with their group and share files
1268
01:08:04.420 --> 01:08:08.383
over time, I highly suggest using the channels for that.
1269
01:08:09.870 --> 01:08:13.930
And so I didn't want you to forget that that was an option.
1270
01:08:13.930 --> 01:08:17.620
These breakout rooms are sweet as far as being able
1271
01:08:17.620 --> 01:08:20.380
to do something quickly on the fly but as you can see
1272
01:08:20.380 --> 01:08:23.680
there are some little weird things that happen
1273
01:08:24.993 --> 01:08:28.460
and I wouldn't say they're great for those longer term
1274
01:08:28.460 --> 01:08:29.303
projects.
1275
01:08:30.650 --> 01:08:33.247
Any other questions, Jeff your hand is still up
1276
01:08:33.247 --> 01:08:35.083
and I see Meghan has a hand up.
1277
01:08:36.330 --> 01:08:37.163
Legacy hand.
1278
01:08:38.205 --> 01:08:40.210
(chuckles)
1279
01:08:40.210 --> 01:08:42.297
Meghan, do you still have a question or is yours a legacy?
1280
01:08:42.297 --> 01:08:43.730
No. I had lowered my hand,
1281
01:08:43.730 --> 01:08:45.580
I don't know why it's still up there.
1282
01:08:46.447 --> 01:08:48.750
It could be my internet just lagging.
1283
01:08:48.750 --> 01:08:50.253
Sometimes that happens.
1284
01:08:51.530 --> 01:08:54.333
Any more questions before we depart?
1285
01:08:58.870 --> 01:09:00.510
Holly, I have a question.
1286
01:09:00.510 --> 01:09:01.510
Sure.
1287
01:09:01.510 --> 01:09:04.240
I'd like to follow up on the question that Nikki asked
1288
01:09:04.240 --> 01:09:07.419
about what if you have someone who can't get into
1289
01:09:07.419 --> 01:09:09.890
the meeting room and so it looks like one option
1290
01:09:09.890 --> 01:09:12.780
would be to have everybody from that room come out
1291
01:09:12.780 --> 01:09:15.270
and join them in the main room.
1292
01:09:15.270 --> 01:09:20.270
Would it also be an option to sort people into their rooms,
1293
01:09:20.300 --> 01:09:23.100
wait to see who couldn't get in
1294
01:09:23.100 --> 01:09:25.830
and if you had one or even a couple, that's why I'm thinking
1295
01:09:25.830 --> 01:09:28.880
if you had a couple who were in different rooms, right?
1296
01:09:28.880 --> 01:09:31.350
They're coming back to the main room is not going to work
1297
01:09:31.350 --> 01:09:34.550
then 'cause then you'd be mixing two different groups.
1298
01:09:34.550 --> 01:09:38.390
Can you bring everybody back into the main room
1299
01:09:38.390 --> 01:09:41.913
and then push them back out into the breakout rooms again?
1300
01:09:43.190 --> 01:09:44.653
Yes.
Okay.
1301
01:09:46.350 --> 01:09:48.922
Thank you.
You're welcome.
1302
01:09:48.922 --> 01:09:51.170
I think you can move individuals.
1303
01:09:51.170 --> 01:09:53.918
So if you've got two individuals in different rooms
1304
01:09:53.918 --> 01:09:56.783
you can select the individual and I think,
1305
01:09:57.960 --> 01:10:00.500
is it only reassign them or can you actually,
1306
01:10:00.500 --> 01:10:01.950
I haven't done this, Holly.
1307
01:10:01.950 --> 01:10:05.260
Can you move an individual back to the main meeting
1308
01:10:05.260 --> 01:10:07.823
as opposed to having them assigned to a room?
1309
01:10:12.940 --> 01:10:15.040
I didn't see that option.
1310
01:10:15.040 --> 01:10:18.180
I can't for sure say that it wasn't there though.
1311
01:10:18.180 --> 01:10:19.970
When I was trying to get
1312
01:10:21.590 --> 01:10:24.680
people into a room the only option I had was to try
1313
01:10:24.680 --> 01:10:25.610
to call them
1314
01:10:27.671 --> 01:10:29.850
and in both instances where I tried that that didn't work,
1315
01:10:29.850 --> 01:10:34.400
it didn't give me any option to
1316
01:10:34.400 --> 01:10:36.400
put that person in a different room
1317
01:10:37.300 --> 01:10:39.730
but I didn't try to click on other people.
1318
01:10:39.730 --> 01:10:41.730
I think that we would have to test that.
1319
01:10:44.850 --> 01:10:47.330
I have a large class
1320
01:10:47.330 --> 01:10:48.920
and my goal
1321
01:10:48.920 --> 01:10:50.390
was to hopefully
1322
01:10:50.390 --> 01:10:54.190
eventually break them up into small groups throughout
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01:10:54.190 --> 01:10:56.240
the semester, numerous times of course,
1324
01:10:56.240 --> 01:11:00.070
where I know they're getting randomized
1325
01:11:00.070 --> 01:11:02.410
and hopefully they're gonna meet a lot of people.
1326
01:11:02.410 --> 01:11:05.090
Is that generally the case do you think?
1327
01:11:05.090 --> 01:11:09.550
Or is Microsoft kind of doing alphabetical or
1328
01:11:09.550 --> 01:11:14.550
if you break them up all the same way the same time.
1329
01:11:15.780 --> 01:11:17.570
Who knows, right? We'll figure that out as we go,
1330
01:11:17.570 --> 01:11:20.220
I'll ask the students, "Hey, is that the same group?"
1331
01:11:21.370 --> 01:11:23.360
It says it's random.
1332
01:11:23.360 --> 01:11:26.290
I don't know if what it's using for an algorithm behind
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01:11:26.290 --> 01:11:28.380
the scenes but the button that you select
1334
01:11:28.380 --> 01:11:30.130
is either random or manual.
1335
01:11:30.130 --> 01:11:33.027
So those are the only choices.
1336
01:11:33.027 --> 01:11:33.860
Okay.
1337
01:11:36.170 --> 01:11:37.003
Ellen.
1338
01:11:43.915 --> 01:11:45.110
I can see your hand, it is up, Ellen,
1339
01:11:45.110 --> 01:11:46.393
did you have a question?
1340
01:11:50.350 --> 01:11:52.120
And, Jody you still have your hand up.
1341
01:11:52.120 --> 01:11:53.363
Do you have a question?
1342
01:11:54.400 --> 01:11:56.110
Nope.
Okay.
1343
01:11:56.110 --> 01:11:58.040
I don't, I'm not sure why my hand is up.
1344
01:11:58.040 --> 01:11:58.873
I disenabled it.
1345
01:12:00.456 --> 01:12:04.500
Okay. Sometimes it just lags a little bit.
1346
01:12:05.800 --> 01:12:06.913
No problem.
1347
01:12:09.361 --> 01:12:12.600
I would just say attached a file somewhere
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01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:15.110
about channels, channel groups.
1349
01:12:15.110 --> 01:12:18.270
I pasted a link into the chat
1350
01:12:19.450 --> 01:12:21.883
which is a link to the documentation.
1351
01:12:23.360 --> 01:12:26.340
And if you don't see it yet, it should be in your chat
1352
01:12:26.340 --> 01:12:30.280
after the Fact when we log out because there's always
1353
01:12:30.280 --> 01:12:33.130
an archive of the chat of the meeting when you attend.
1354
01:12:33.130 --> 01:12:35.150
So it should be sitting there.
1355
01:12:35.150 --> 01:12:36.560
If you don't see it for some reason
1356
01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:39.333
please send me an email and let me know.
1357
01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:41.473
Thank you.
1358
01:12:42.490 --> 01:12:45.890
Okay. So I'm gonna let folks go now because I know
1359
01:12:45.890 --> 01:12:47.830
we're already like 20 minutes over
1360
01:12:47.830 --> 01:12:52.140
but thank you for staying and trying this out with me today.
1361
01:12:52.140 --> 01:12:54.140
If you have more questions,
1362
01:12:54.140 --> 01:12:57.210
there's the live open hours you can drop into today
1363
01:12:57.210 --> 01:13:00.223
and next week and also you can send us an email.
1364
01:13:01.860 --> 01:13:03.910
Thank you very much.
1365
01:13:03.910 --> 01:13:07.263
You are very welcome. Happy Friday, everybody.
1366
01:13:09.950 --> 01:13:12.833
Thank you, Jeff and Ines for hanging in there with me.